Rumor Moving up in the draft?

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Rastapopoulos said:
Somebody on Blazers Edge came up with an almost plausible scenario where we essentially swapped RoLo and Batum for DeMarre Carroll and Tyson Chandler. I think that would be pretty much treading water, except that it would be a big disruption on continuity, and the Spurs, Clippers, Grizzlies and especially Warriors have demonstrated the value of persevering with your core.
PLUS: Chandler is old as dirt, especially in NBA years. Remember, the Bull traded then rookie of the year Elton Brand to get him in the first place. ALSO: Carroll is flavor of the month, and a nice player - especially as Everybody Loves Draymond, and he's a cheap knockoff, but will he allow Lillard and CJ to play off the ball the way Batum can? In other words, does he allow our stars to be star-like in the way that Batum can, because of his court vision? I don't think it's any accident that Lillard named Batum when he was asked for a league-wide underrated player, because Damian knows how important Batum is to his game.

FINALLY: let's remember, (a) it was never the Blazers' starters that have been the problem these past two years, and (b) we were top 5 in offense AND defense early in the year, before injuries took their toll. By all means dump peripheral players and beef up the bench, but only dump Batum if it becomes clear we're losing Aldridge and/or Wesley.
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How are the Warriors an example of preserving your core? They made some pretty massive changes two years ago by bringing in Iggy, and they fired their coach last year. If by "preserve their core" you mean they held onto Steph and Klay, then yes, they did do that.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
This doesn't make much sense. Say what you like about Batum, but he's likely to be more help than any rookie next year at least. If you're trading him for a pick that's called "rebuilding," not "helping the Blazers make another run".

[Edit: now I actually READ the quote, it does make sense: it's saying move up (i.e. rebuild) OR GRAB A PLAYER (i.e., NOT a pick) to help make a run. Never mind. Of course, given that we're thinnest at the wing, it would have to be another wing player, and I'd have to wonder what wing player would benefit us more than Batum that the other team wants LESS than Batum.]
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keep in mind we wold clear more cap and would create a 11-12 mil TPE as well, so even if we keep LMA that would open the door to sign a FA to replace Nic - I mentioned Danny Green and Aminu, or we could use the TPE to lighten someones salary and take a guy we need
 
Blazinaway said:
It is very likely not enough but I'd love to get either the Lakers or Orlando's pick if it's 5-7 for Nic and our pick, Charlotte has the #9 and I wonder if that's attainable?
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I don't think the Lakers are an option. They want to be in the top 5 or they lose their pick. Plus they are swinging for the fences in free agency so they want as much cap space as possible.
 
They seem to be looking at a lot of small forwards in the draft whether they move up or Not. Makes me wonder if batum for hibbert could happen, then they draft a sf and sign a guy like aminu or Wesley Johnson
 
JFizzleRaider said:
They seem to be looking at a lot of small forwards in the draft whether they move up or Not. Makes me wonder if batum for hibbert could happen, then they draft a sf and sign a guy like aminu or Wesley Johnson
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They should be looking at SFs... for the bench. If we're planning on our starting SF being a rookie then we are fucked. Although probably not as fucked as if he's Wesley Johnson.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How are the Warriors an example of preserving your core? They made some pretty massive changes two years ago by bringing in Iggy, and they fired their coach last year. If by "preserve their core" you mean they held onto Steph and Klay, then yes, they did do that.
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If I were them I would consider their core as Klay, Steph, Green and Bogut. I assume they are looking to get a PF to round it out since they tried for Love last year. Maybe a sign and trade with Cleveland? Barnes or Iggy would be attractive to Cleveland. I doubt they want Love back.
 
Blazinaway said:
keep in mind we wold clear more cap and would create a 11-12 mil TPE as well, so even if we keep LMA that would open the door to sign a FA to replace Nic - I mentioned Danny Green and Aminu, or we could use the TPE to lighten someones salary and take a guy we need
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You're assuming we're trading with someone under the cap. Most of those teams are content to rebuild slowly and cheaply with draft picks and wouldn't trade for Batum.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If I were them I would consider their core as Klay, Steph, Green and Bogut. I assume they are looking to get a PF to round it out since they tried for Love last year. Maybe a sign and trade with Cleveland? Barnes or Iggy would be attractive to Cleveland. I doubt they want Love back.
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In what sense did they "try" for Love if they weren't willing to give up jack to get him? Anyway, isn't Green their PF now? And wasn't that the switch that vaulted them to contention?

Wasn't the chatter that they might be after KD next year? Dunno how that would be possible, but it certainly would be unfair.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
They should be looking at SFs... for the bench. If we're planning on our starting SF being a rookie then we are fucked. Although probably not as fucked as if he's Wesley Johnson.
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Maybe Wes becomes our starting small forward. He is 20 lbs heavier (and stronger) than Nic. He defends taller players very well and after his injury maybe he is better suited to guard slower bigger players.

If some of you are concerned with starting CJ at SG then maybe start Crabbe. Cj would come in half way through the 1st quarter.
Then you use the rookie SF to back up Wes. If Wes is not healthy enough to start the season then keep Wright.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
In what sense did they "try" for Love if they weren't willing to give up jack to get him? Anyway, isn't Green their PF now? And wasn't that the switch that vaulted them to contention?

Wasn't the chatter that they might be after KD next year? Dunno how that would be possible, but it certainly would be unfair.
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I think Green plays both forward spots. He is only 6'7".
They offered a combination of Iggy, Barnes and Lee. That is more than Jack.
 
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Now granted I haven't really looked a ton into this draft but if were trying to keep LA packaging Batum to move up in the draft doesnt' seem like the greatest idea. Package Batum move up top 5-9 and then our option at 3 is to either start a rookie or get into a bidding war for demarre carroll and paying him close to what Batum makes.
Hell even if LA is leaving i'd rather have Batum then to package him and move up. Getting a good quality SF is very hard to do in the NBA, especially a two way player with a damn near unique tool set like Batum has. He isn't a great player to rely on to be a scoring option all the time but he is a perfect fit for the 4th/5th option which he is when we had a healthy Wes.
 
Rhal said:
Now granted I haven't really looked a ton into this draft but if were trying to keep LA packaging Batum to move up in the draft doesnt' seem like the greatest idea. Package Batum move up top 5-9 and then our option at 3 is to either start a rookie or get into a bidding war for demarre carroll and paying him close to what Batum makes.
Hell even if LA is leaving i'd rather have Batum then to package him and move up. Getting a good quality SF is very hard to do in the NBA, especially a two way player with a damn near unique tool set like Batum has. He isn't a great player to rely on to be a scoring option all the time but he is a perfect fit for the 4th/5th option which he is when we had a healthy Wes.
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I think Neil knows something we don't and that's the problem we're facing here.:smiley-hmm:
 
If the team were to move up, who are you looking to replace?

If LMA leaves, you just go BPA and hope. If LMA stays, are you looking to replace Wes, Batum, or RoLo?

I'm not sure Batum and #23 gets us high enough to actually accomplish anything - unless LMA is leaving and then you dump everyone not on a rookie deal and go for broke. :hairout:
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I think Green plays both forward spots. He is only 6'7".
They offered a combination of Iggy, Barnes and Lee. That is more than Jack.
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Green can play sf but he only plays there about as often as he plays c, it does happen but he is primarily a pf.

The proposed deal for love never included igoudala, it was lee/barnes/1st Rd pick. Warriors dropped out of talks when minny included klay in the deal.

I've mentioned before that iggy to Portland makes sense in my opinion. He's a better version of batum, older but he can still play. If you lose Aldridge and Allen still wants to try to compete make it iggy and lee. Lee can't defend, I know, but he's not as bad as most people say and assuming he is healthy can replace most of Aldridge's offensive production. Before people jump on me I know he is not as good as lma but only a year ago they were viewed pretty equally by many people.
 
oldmangrouch said:
If the team were to move up, who are you looking to replace?

If LMA leaves, you just go BPA and hope. If LMA stays, are you looking to replace Wes, Batum, or RoLo?

I'm not sure Batum and #23 gets us high enough to actually accomplish anything - unless LMA is leaving and then you dump everyone not on a rookie deal and go for broke. :hairout:
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This is what sucks about the draft... It's before free agency, we have no idea what LA is gonna do.
 
WarriorFan said:
Green can play sf but he only plays there about as often as he plays c, it does happen but he is primarily a pf.

The proposed deal for love never included igoudala, it was lee/barnes/1st Rd pick. Warriors dropped out of talks when minny included klay in the deal.

I've mentioned before that iggy to Portland makes sense in my opinion. He's a better version of batum, older but he can still play. If you lose Aldridge and Allen still wants to try to compete make it iggy and lee. Lee can't defend, I know, but he's not as bad as most people say and assuming he is healthy can replace most of Aldridge's offensive production. Before people jump on me I know he is not as good as lma but only a year ago they were viewed pretty equally by many people.
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We'd be better off rolling with Leonard and a rookie SF than taking on Iggy and Lee...
 
WarriorFan said:
Green can play sf but he only plays there about as often as he plays c, it does happen but he is primarily a pf.

The proposed deal for love never included igoudala, it was lee/barnes/1st Rd pick. Warriors dropped out of talks when minny included klay in the deal.

I've mentioned before that iggy to Portland makes sense in my opinion. He's a better version of batum, older but he can still play. If you lose Aldridge and Allen still wants to try to compete make it iggy and lee. Lee can't defend, I know, but he's not as bad as most people say and assuming he is healthy can replace most of Aldridge's offensive production. Before people jump on me I know he is not as good as lma but only a year ago they were viewed pretty equally by many people.
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I think I'd rather try for Barnes if we decided to take Lee's contract
 
oldmangrouch said:
If the team were to move up, who are you looking to replace?

If LMA leaves, you just go BPA and hope. If LMA stays, are you looking to replace Wes, Batum, or RoLo?

I'm not sure Batum and #23 gets us high enough to actually accomplish anything - unless LMA is leaving and then you dump everyone not on a rookie deal and go for broke. :hairout:
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I agree but if Aldridge leaves you go after Monroe hard!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
How about switching draft picks, Kidd-Gilchrist and Stephenson to Portland and Batum to Charlotte?
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Way too much. Kidd-Gilchrist improved quite a bit last year. At At 6'7" 232, he can guard 4 positions very well.
I thought about him a couple of days ago. I would take him straight up for Batum. He is going to give you 10 points and 7 rebounds every night. (plus the D) and he is only 21. He would fit in well with Dame, CJ, and Leonard.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
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So far Neil has interviewed RHJ and RJ Hunter - Dekker is on ....deck.

Batum finally out of here? There is a God and he reads S2.​
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Thing is, Batum IS a player who can help us make another run next season. And it's a contract year, so according to groupthink, he should have a banner year...
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Way too much. Kidd-Gilchrist improved quite a bit last year. At At 6'7" 232, he can guard 4 positions very well.
I thought about him a couple of days ago. I would take him straight up for Batum. He is going to give you 10 points and 7 rebounds every night. (plus the D) and he is only 21. He would fit in well with Dame, CJ, and Leonard.
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The Blazers roster is and always should be a hyphen-free zone.
 
Schilly said:
Maybe Aldridge wasn't happy with Batum this year and that was part of his exit interview with Neil and Paul. I know as a teammate I wouldn't be happy about the inconsistent effort.
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I don't think his effort was inconsistent, not at all. His production was certainly inconsistent. His performance was inconsistent. But his effort? I think he has the Ted Williams Syndrome. Even though the Splendid Splinter was one of, if not the, fastest players in baseball, his stride was so smooth and looked so effortless that the press thought he wasn't giving it his all.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I think Neil knows something we don't and that's the problem we're facing here.:smiley-hmm:
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Well, I certainly hope so, Ollie...

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