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BIG Q said:
But the history is there that Nates teams do not run.
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Well, it does not matter how much you try to work the udders on your pet turtle - there is very little chance you can combine the output with cacao and call the results chocolate milk...
 
andalusian said:
Well, it does not matter how much you try to work the udders on your pet turtle - there is very little chance you can combine the output with cacao and call the results chocolate milk...
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Sure you can. Turtle milk is still milk, even if it tastes different.
 
Reep said:
Personally, I think this is a good strategy. Push the ball up fast and take it if it is there. If not, then slow it down for a good shot. This would have you still in the bottom half in terms of pace, but let you break when it makes sense.
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I don't think anyone has a problem with this. No one's saying be reckless, they're saying don't cut off your fastbreaking nose to spite your "I don't want turnovers" face.
 
Lawson would be great. It does not matter what pace the new PG plays at because, unless it's Rubio, he will be a 3rd-stringer. Who cares if our 3rd-string PG likes to play fast?

That's why I'm a Blair fan - I think he could came straight into the 2nd unit.
 
Nate has been saying for years now he wants veteran help. What is to stop him from just not playing a rookie Portland trades up for just to spite KP? It's not like whoever they draft is going to be jaw droppingly awesome.

I don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility for Nate to try whatever it takes to get KP to acquire a vet, even if it means deep-sixing a rookies career.
 
LittleAlex said:
Nate has been saying for years now he wants veteran help. What is to stop him from just not playing a rookie Portland trades up for just to spite KP? It's not like whoever they draft is going to be jaw droppingly awesome.

I don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility for Nate to try whatever it takes to get KP to acquire a vet, even if it means deep-sixing a rookies career.
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Who is who's boss again?
 
RoyToy said:
That's complete bs. During the games you can hear McMillan telling his players to push it push it push it. Aldridge takes off down the middle of the floor and beats a lot of players every single time. If Steve Blake wasn't such a mediocre player maybe it'd work a little better.
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I think there is a disconnect between words and actions. The mouth may say "Push, Push, Push", but that also implies a little more risk and possibly some turnovers and since guys get pulled for turnovers, the actions say "Slow, Slow, Slow".

Actions speak louder than words. I just don't see Nate pushing the tempo.

Gramps...
 
Nate started a rookie at the SF position all year . . . started Batum over Outlaw.

I don't know where posters get the idea Nate doesn't play rookies.
 
LittleAlex said:
Nate has been saying for years now he wants veteran help. What is to stop him from just not playing a rookie Portland trades up for just to spite KP? It's not like whoever they draft is going to be jaw droppingly awesome.

I don't think it would be beyond the realm of possibility for Nate to try whatever it takes to get KP to acquire a vet, even if it means deep-sixing a rookies career.
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:dunno: So we draft a rookie so he has no other choice than to give Bayless a fair shot. Works for me.

I thnk you're wrong, BTW. Oden, Rudy, and Nic all got plenty of chances last season. You can't suddenly equate Nate with Larry Brown just because he didn't like Bayless.
 
oldmangrouch said:
:dunno: So we draft a rookie so he has no other choice than to give Bayless a fair shot. Works for me.

I thnk you're wrong, BTW. Oden, Rudy, and Nic all got plenty of chances last season. You can't suddenly equate Nate with Larry Brown just because he didn't like Bayless.
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Except there are several problems with your statement. Who else would have Nate played at SF? He had no choice but to play Batum because Travis was not good starting. Oden played almost completely off the bench, so he was treated no different than Bayless. Bayless started some too, remember. There is a big difference between being forced to play somebody and having a choice and time to be patient.

Now that being said, I still think I would have rather gone through last season with Bayless thrown into the fire, because by end of season, you would either have a good idea he wasn't going to cut it, or he would have been a hell of a lot better by the time the playoffs came along and then you actually have a defender besides Roy.
 
Nate doesn't get the ball to Oden.

Nate doesn't run enough.

The disconnect of these two arguments against Nate is humorous to me.
 
oldmangrouch said:
:dunno: So we draft a rookie so he has no other choice than to give Bayless a fair shot. Works for me.

I thnk you're wrong, BTW. Oden, Rudy, and Nic all got plenty of chances last season. You can't suddenly equate Nate with Larry Brown just because he didn't like Bayless.
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I think last year was the last straw for Nate. I never said Nate has historically done the same thing. I just think he may be at the end of his rope and willing to do something desperate to get the team to give him a vet or two.
 
Can someone please tell me a starting-caliber point guard Nate's had that would allow him to move to an uptempo style of play?

Sergio doesn't count. He didn't do other things well, such as defend and shoot. He's not trustworthy enough to start ... yet.
 
PapaG said:
Nate doesn't get the ball to Oden.

Nate doesn't run enough.

The disconnect of these two arguments against Nate is humorous to me.
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I'm not arguing he doesn't run enough. I'm arguing with those who claim (and are using the same arguments for Nate since back to when he was in Seattle) that Nate WANTS to run, but his players are incapable of executing his gameplan.

Ed O.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
Can someone please tell me a starting-caliber point guard Nate's had that would allow him to move to an uptempo style of play?
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Ridnour. He started 82 games in 2004-05, along with Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen and Reggie Evans and Jerome James for the vast majority of the time.

Their pace? 27th out of 30 teams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2005.html

The team DID win 52 games, so again I'm not arguing how effective running would be... just that some people seem to ignore that Nate's teams have almost always been right at the bottom of the NBA in terms of pace.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Ridnour. He started 82 games in 2004-05, along with Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen and Reggie Evans and Jerome James for the vast majority of the time.

Their pace? 27th out of 30 teams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2005.html

The team DID win 52 games, so again I'm not arguing how effective running would be... just that some people seem to ignore that Nate's teams have almost always been right at the bottom of the NBA in terms of pace.

Ed O.
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I must be completely misremembering that season, but I thought the Sonics played a pretty up-tempo game. I remember a Seattle-Phoenix game being hyped up as the battle between the fast paced offenses.
 
PapaG said:
Nate doesn't get the ball to Oden.

Nate doesn't run enough.

The disconnect of these two arguments against Nate is humorous to me.
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It's the most telling to me. One or the other is a good game plan. Shooting jumpers is a poor one. Our absolute superior offensive rebounding saves that offense though.

Getting the ball up the court and scoring quick and easy is great. Getting the ball into a low post player to draw fouls and possibly score easy is great. Passing the ball around the perimeter and settling for a shot against the clock is not great.
 
Ed O said:
Ridnour. He started 82 games in 2004-05, along with Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen and Reggie Evans and Jerome James for the vast majority of the time.

Their pace? 27th out of 30 teams.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2005.html

The team DID win 52 games, so again I'm not arguing how effective running would be... just that some people seem to ignore that Nate's teams have almost always been right at the bottom of the NBA in terms of pace.
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Ridnour's best years were under Nate in slow-pace. When they went faster after Nate left and elsewhere - his production was way worse than it was under Nate...

All this proves is that Nate knows how to get the most from his roster - not that he does not want to run. Ridnour's PER in the faster pace after Nate left was a whole 2.3 points lower...

This is a bad idea for someone that is good in a fast pace in the NBA...
 
I'm guessing most teams would be happy if the Blazers tried to play up tempo against them.

54 wins this year . . . should fans really be complaining about the style of ball they are playing?
 
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