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riverman said:
Got my fishing license today....be a lot of unraveling for the next few years...very good therapy
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Don't know wtf humansarefree is....wonder how much is true. I'm sure we do all that and more today. Such hypocrisy.
 
I love the idea that a handful of Russians somehow "tricked" millions of Americans into voting for someone they wouldn't have voted for otherwise. Fucking hilarious. I'm glad they got found out though. Hopefully this will be the bone that gets thrown to the Democrats to finally shut them up. It just boggles my mind that liberals are still flabbergasted that someone would refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton. They must have somehow been brainwashed to not elect such an upstanding individual like.... Hillary Clinton:biglaugh:
Get out of here with that shit. You lost. And not only did you lose, you gave us Donald Trump as a president because you somehow managed to produce an even shittier candidate. Quite a feat. You don't see fuck ups of that scale very often.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Don't know wtf humansarefree is....wonder how much is true. I'm sure we do all that and more today. Such hypocrisy.
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I'm confused by this argument. Why is it hypocrisy?

The goal of war is to win, not for everyone to come out equal. If we shoot one of the enemy, are we supposed to let the enemy shoot one of ours so that things are fair?

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
I love the idea that a handful of Russians somehow "tricked" millions of Americans into voting for someone they wouldn't have voted for otherwise. Fucking hilarious. I'm glad they got found out though. Hopefully this will be the bone that gets thrown to the Democrats to finally shut them up. It just boggles my mind that liberals are still flabbergasted that someone would refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton. They must have somehow been brainwashed to not elect such an upstanding individual like.... Hillary Clinton:biglaugh:
Get out of here with that shit. You lost. And not only did you lose, you gave us Donald Trump as a president because you somehow managed to produce an even shittier candidate. Quite a feat. You don't see fuck ups of that scale very often.
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Russians are evil motherfuckers. They even cheat when it won't help. Watched too much WWF as children I suspect.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/curlers-coach-russia-stunned-doping-allegations-050849271.html
 
So all in all, Russia is on notice for the upcoming elections. That’s a good thing.

My personal beliefs are that the 13 Russians really didn’t do much to sway the election though. That had more to do with Trump hitting democrat strongholds with many rallies, while Clinton laid back and relaxed.
 
The democratic candidate was so bad that even Bernie Sanders could have beat her, if not for the primaries being rigged against him.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
http://humansarefree.com/2016/12/us-caught-rigging-russias-elections.html?m=0
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barfo said:
I'm confused by this argument. Why is it hypocrisy?

The goal of war is to win, not for everyone to come out equal. If we shoot one of the enemy, are we supposed to let the enemy shoot one of ours so that things are fair?

barfo
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We, meaning the US have been interfering with the Russians for about 70 years now. Openly with Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.
Covertly with the CIA and any other means possible.

The problem now is, whining like a jilted bitch when they play too. What the hell happened to the Democrats to suddenly lose their cool over the game? They just put up the worst candidate in maybe two centuries, that anyone could help bring down. It was not a break through success by the Russians.
 
MarAzul said:
We, meaning the US have been interfering with the Russians for about 70 years now. Openly with Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.
Covertly with the CIA and any other means possible.

The problem now is, whining like a jilted bitch when they play too. What the hell happened to the Democrats to suddenly lose their cool over the game? They just put up the worst candidate in maybe two centuries, that anyone could help bring down. It was not a break through success by the Russians.
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Ah, so you agree the Russians helped Trump win the election. Good, that's a start on the road to reality.

As to whether it was a breakthrough or not, what prior president needed help from the Russians?

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
We, meaning the US have been interfering with the Russians for about 70 years now. Openly with Voice of America and Radio Free Europe.
Covertly with the CIA and any other means possible.

The problem now is, whining like a jilted bitch when they play too. What the hell happened to the Democrats to suddenly lose their cool over the game? They just put up the worst candidate in maybe two centuries, that anyone could help bring down. It was not a break through success by the Russians.
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Welcome to the new cyber world of espionage.....no internet 70 years ago ...the game has changed...so rather than get to the root of the cyber attacks on our democracy...you'd rather throw softballs at the democrats...? whew...........this is a bit different from radio free America or even Hanoi Hannah....Russians financing our political rallies is something I'd like to see a wall built around...fact is the politicians our age Marz...aren't that skilled with modern internet security....this is a transition period from old cold war spying ....just imagine if an enemy could use the internet to shut off the power grid...fair play? Seeing a problem and addressing it seems to be the correct path....the whining I'm getting here is denial....and it's not coming from the losers in the election as much as the winning campaign....unless you think tax evasion and money laundering through Cypress banks and Russian mobsters is just business as usual....follow the money....so far it's led to the capital of Russian mob banking...Cypress..it then connects to Trump and Kushner properties....remember when Trump said he had no business dealings with Russians? You still believe that now? I don't. When this first came to light Trump said he and his family were off limits in this investigation...said he'd release his tax returns in a couple weeks after being elected....said he'd separate his business holdings from his personal account and put them in a trust....non of which has occurred..somebody has something to hide....Trumps camp has already proven that .....time to flip some flap jacks!
 
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barfo said:
Ah, so you agree the Russians helped Trump win the election. Good, that's a start on the road to reality.

As to whether it was a breakthrough or not, what prior president needed help from the Russians?

barfo
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Did the Russians help Trump win the election? That is news to me.
 
barfo said:
As to whether it was a breakthrough or not, what prior president needed help from the Russians?
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Seriously?

Damn near all of the elected in the last 70 years had something to do with the Russians.

Eisenhower was elected because it was thought he could deal with the Russians best.
Same with Kennedy. Khrushchev pounding the table with his shoe, threatening the annihilation of the US and placing Missiles in Cuba
all help Reagan sell his story of how to defeat the evil empire.

They just changed there tack a little here in recent years.

But you vastly over rate their actual impact. No one with any wit, was going to vote for HRD anyway.
 
riverman said:
Seeing a problem and addressing it seems to be the correct path
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river, I do not believe our foreign relations should be conducted by minor elected officials in the public arena for gotch's to hang before their voters
like coupe counted.
 
tlongII said:
Did the Russians help Trump win the election? That is news to me.
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Actually the Russians were doing anything to stop Hillary from being elected...turns out they preferred Bernie over all the candidates..anybody but Clinton..Putin hates Hillary in a Denny Crane sort of way
 
riverman said:
Actually the Russians were doing anything to stop Hillary from being elected...turns out they preferred Bernie over all the candidates..anybody but Clinton..Putin hates Hillary in a Denny Crane sort of way
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Hey, has anyone seen Denny and Putin in the same place at the same time?
 
riverman said:
Actually the Russians were doing anything to stop Hillary from being elected...turns out they preferred Bernie over all the candidates..anybody but Clinton..Putin hates Hillary in a Denny Crane sort of way
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That may be, but so far there is no evidence that what they did helped Trump win the election.
 
tlongII said:
That may be, but so far there is no evidence that what they did helped Trump win the election.
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The evidence points more to their success at helping Hillary lose...Trump's issues are going to be money and taxes in my view...not an election
 
barfo said:
Ah, so you agree the Russians helped Trump win the election. Good, that's a start on the road to reality.

As to whether it was a breakthrough or not, what prior president needed help from the Russians?

barfo
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You need to get over it and agree that Clinton was so bad she couldn't beat Trump. Or Bernie, without cheating and rigging the primaries.
 
Denny Crane said:
You need to get over it and agree that Clinton was so bad she couldn't beat Trump. Or Bernie, without cheating and rigging the primaries.
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I completely agree with that! Which makes it even more outrageously stupid that Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians. It's like they didn't believe in Trump himself.
 
MarAzul said:
Ha! That ought to go down as an accomplishment for the ages, hey?
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actually it was more like shooting fish in a barrel...and less than impressive field across the board...worst I've ever seen
 
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