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I'd love to read more about what actually makes Musk a racist. So far I'm not able to find that he has done anything racist.

Can anybody who knows please point to some evidence of racist behavior actually perpetrated by Elon Musk?

Accidentally went back too far in the thread. A lot of amazing posts in the first 10 pages or so. I forgot that @Phatguysrule ’s crush on Elon went all the way back.
 
Whoa.....you just got your ass handed to you and this is your best response??? The actual facts of the matter aren't enough for you?? You just want to throw turds on the wall, call it art and admire them as they ooze toward the floor.
Ass handed to me? Did you read what he posted? I keep going back to reread it and see if I missed something, only to find it more ridiculous each time. If that’s what our labor department shits out then I want my tax money back. Those aren’t facts that address anything I said. There is not a shortage of qualified labor here. People with four year degrees CANNOT FIND JOBS and you are willing to have them replaced by cheaper foreign workers because you are so blinded by political rage you can’t think straight. You and him are STILL refusing to address the issue I brought up of foreigners being payed cheaply for labor and undercutting Americans. You two knuckleheads are handing the wrong asses to the wrong people. Don’t go high fiving eachother just yet.
 
Go down to Starbucks or the closest bar and ask the person serving you, who has a degree, about the big “labor shortage”.

Don’t forget to shit on them about their unsatisfactory education, either.
 
Some people with 4 year degrees can't find jobs, that's true. But it's always been true, and presumably will always be true.
Unemployment is pretty low right now, historically speaking, no matter what measure of unemployment is your favorite.

We need immigrants for manual labor, and we need immigrants for jobs that require extensive technical skill.
In both cases, we need immigrants because too many Americans are too lazy and entitled to do what's needed to get and keep those jobs.
And our education system appears to be getting worse.

And yes, immigrants do drive down wages for American workers.
Why wouldn't a company hire a more productive worker at a lower rate of pay?
But that's capitalism for ya.

These problems are not going to be solved by rejecting immigrants. That will just move the jobs to wherever the would-be immigrants are, or are allowed to go.
The only solution (if you don't like immigrants) is to make American workers more attractive, either via better training, lower wages, or plastic surgery.

It is the case that the current immigration system sucks and needs a lot of fixin'. But the fix it needs is reform, not cancellation.

barfo
 
It boggles my mind that people can look at Elon Musk's preferences and history and not very quickly surmise that any decision he advocates for is only self-serving, only beneficial to billionaires, and will make the lives of non-billionaires worse. I have jonny on ignore because he thinks I'm an abomination against biology, but he's right about this. Elon's only looking out for Elon, and if he wants a bunch more H-1B's, then we ought to be asking ourselves why.
 
Um, pardon? Visit India sometime dude, it’s not a place run by the worlds most “educated brains”. If it were, then why do they want to leave it for this place? There is a massive logical fallacy here. They aren’t only importing the most elite engineers either, they are importing people to fill every facet top to bottom. It’s greed.
Here in Canada, we literally just imported Indians on a fake student VISA campaign (most are young men from Punjab which is a largely agrarian part of India) and then let them bring their spouses and family members even if they're in basic undergraduate courses. It's led to the Trudeau government essentially collapsing, a mass political activation of the right wing in Canada, and completely eroded the general liberal attitude Canadians had towards immigration in under 4 years.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...icle_4d60afbe-8c8e-11ef-9ad4-df0258692913.htm

So as cynical as this is for me to say, if you're just Never Trump before anything, before even the quality of life in America, pray he goes down this mass H1B staple a permanent residency to literally any degree type of policy. Not only will it destroy him in the midterms, it will end MAGA as an entity, if it's associated with 4+ years of mass barely vetted Indian immigration. You won't have to worry about J.D Vance, Don Jr etc.

I love that Trump has betrayed his base to such a degree that Bernie Sanders is having to teach him how to MAGA:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-elon-musk-wrong-reform-h1b-visa-2025-1
 
Accidentally went back too far in the thread. A lot of amazing posts in the first 10 pages or so. I forgot that @Phatguysrule ’s crush on Elon went all the way back.
Lol. I wouldn't call it a crush. He's doing what the law allows. And he's being more successful at getting real products developed than others.

We need to change the laws to protect people from being abused by driven people.

In my defense, Musk wasn't MAGA when it first started, though he had started acting increasingly erratic. So I was cautiously hopeful at that point.

But I don't hate rich people for taking advantage of the laws we have. I would rather change the law so we could hold them accountable for violating the law.
 
It boggles my mind that people can look at Elon Musk's preferences and history and not very quickly surmise that any decision he advocates for is only self-serving, only beneficial to billionaires, and will make the lives of non-billionaires worse. I have jonny on ignore because he thinks I'm an abomination against biology, but he's right about this. Elon's only looking out for Elon, and if he wants a bunch more H-1B's, then we ought to be asking ourselves why.

No doubt Elon is abusing the H-1B system, he abuses every system.
He's only useful to the discussion in terms of showing what's necessary to prevent abuse.

As the Jackson 5 said, "One bad asshole don't spoil the whole bunch, girl."

barfo
 
Lol. I wouldn't call it a crush. He's doing what the law allows. And he's being more successful at getting real products developed than others.

If you’re contending that there are even bigger losers than Elon, sure. If you’re contending he’s been a net positive on any project he’s been on, you’re just incorrect. At best his human presence (not his money, which is just money) has been neutral to the development of products that bear his name, and mostly he’s been a distraction or even a hindrance.
 
If you’re contending that there are even bigger losers than Elon, sure. If you’re contending he’s been a net positive on any project he’s been on, you’re just incorrect. At best his human presence (not his money, which is just money) has been neutral to the development of products that bear his name, and mostly he’s been a distraction or even a hindrance.
Yeah, I'm not supportive of pretty much anything he's done as a human. Just the things he's put money into and helped advance.

He's a piece of shit human being.
 
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Yeah, I'm not supportive of pretty much anything he's done as a human. Just the things he's put money into and helped advant.

He's a piece of shit human being.

You don’t have to give him credit for being rich. That money would have come from somewhere regardless, and reasonable management might have made Teslas less of a death trap, or designed the spacex launch pads correctly instead of making them look cool to his 11-year-old boy sensibilities.
 
You don’t have to give him credit for being rich. That money would have come from somewhere regardless, and reasonable management might have made Teslas less of a death trap, or designed the spacex launch pads correctly instead of making them look cool to his 11-year-old boy sensibilities.
I honestly don't think it would have. He had to risk losing all of it to get that stuff going and go against the grain for a lot of it.

And that's really why I give him any credit at all. He's crazy enough to put money where I don't think anybody else would have risked it.

And I think he actually has better manufacturing sense than most billionaires.

But a total POS as a human.
 
I honestly don't think it would have. He had to risk losing all of it to get that stuff going and go against the grain for a lot of it.

And that's really why I give him any credit at all. He's crazy enough to put money where I don't think anybody else would have risked it.

And I think he actually has better manufacturing sense than most billionaires.

But a total POS as a human.

Your name isn’t Adrian Dittmann is it?
 
Here in Canada, we literally just imported Indians on a fake student VISA campaign (most are young men from Punjab which is a largely agrarian part of India) and then let them bring their spouses and family members even if they're in basic undergraduate courses. It's led to the Trudeau government essentially collapsing, a mass political activation of the right wing in Canada, and completely eroded the general liberal attitude Canadians had towards immigration in under 4 years.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...icle_4d60afbe-8c8e-11ef-9ad4-df0258692913.htm

So as cynical as this is for me to say, if you're just Never Trump before anything, before even the quality of life in America, pray he goes down this mass H1B staple a permanent residency to literally any degree type of policy. Not only will it destroy him in the midterms, it will end MAGA as an entity, if it's associated with 4+ years of mass barely vetted Indian immigration. You won't have to worry about J.D Vance, Don Jr etc.

I love that Trump has betrayed his base to such a degree that Bernie Sanders is having to teach him how to MAGA:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-elon-musk-wrong-reform-h1b-visa-2025-1
Trump totally flipped on this. In his usual fashion, he completely melts for anyone who kisses his ass. He has no defense against people who stroke his ego. He’s going into this term with a handful of positions I agree with (as opposed to zero from Democrats, that’s why I always shit on them and somehow get accused of loving Trump for it) but we stand to see how many of these “decent” policies actually stick. I don’t have a lot of faith to be honest.
 
I have jonny on ignore because he thinks I'm an abomination against biology
Ouch. Abomination is pretty harsh. Anomaly maybe, but that doesn’t have to mean “bad” in any way. I have a few issues with the political ideologies around the matter, mostly pertaining to children, but at the end of the day I don’t care what anyone does as long as they aren’t being imposing, and that goes for any group. I think you’ve got me wrong. My friend group would probably surprise you.
It boggles my mind that people can look at Elon Musk's preferences and history and not very quickly surmise that any decision he advocates for is only self-serving, only beneficial to billionaires, and will make the lives of non-billionaires worse
I’ve never thought he was as genius as the people lining up to fellate him have been insisting. But that’s just a hunch. He kind of just comes off as a midwit with asbergers.
 
Elon Musk is a fucking lunatic. He’s not a genius as people have labeled him. He’s a functioning idiot. He’s a dangerous piece of shit who treats everyone around him like garbage. Employees, family, whoever interacts with him unless they are kissing his ass or doing something for his benefit. Period. It’s why he and Trump are so perfect for each other. Until they aren’t. I respect people who like Trump as much as I respect people who like Musk.
 
Musk and Trump have too big of egos to coexist.
 
MAGA is definitly split on the H-1B issue, but I think the majority are against it. I'm of the same view as Bernie Sanders on this. I'm not diametrically opposed to using programs like H-1B to fill in legit gaps, but it is being abused by coprorations, and was designed as a tool to suppress wages. No question. You can read it in the documents of those who wrote the papers that was used as the basis to justify it.

We're not at the point where people are being pushed back to the dems, not even close, but this is a bad indicator for Trump. MAGA isn't the Trump obsessed cult you people think it is. His base will turn on him if he doesn't follow through.

 
Ass handed to me? Did you read what he posted? I keep going back to reread it and see if I missed something, only to find it more ridiculous each time. If that’s what our labor department shits out then I want my tax money back. Those aren’t facts that address anything I said. There is not a shortage of qualified labor here. People with four year degrees CANNOT FIND JOBS and you are willing to have them replaced by cheaper foreign workers because you are so blinded by political rage you can’t think straight. You and him are STILL refusing to address the issue I brought up of foreigners being payed cheaply for labor and undercutting Americans. You two knuckleheads are handing the wrong asses to the wrong people. Don’t go high fiving eachother just yet.
"Political rage" has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. We're talking about the reality. I too think strongly that the H-1B program is being thoroughly abused. But as a manger for 30 plus years who did a shit ton of hiring, it was plainly obvious that the quality/educational limitations of job candidates over the years was on a downward spiral. It's called "the shitty American Education System" that these corporations have help trash by their refusal to pay their fair share of the load. It's all about profits. Hell yes they'd rather lowball qualified immigrants than overpay Americans who can't keep up. They don't care who does the work as long as it is done correctly and as cheaply as possible. Did you ever stop to think that those people with four year degrees who can't find jobs aren't any good at what they majored in?? Some of the most ignorant and incompetent people I have known are college educated. It's way too easy and disingenuous to say these people are getting priced out. Successful companies hire the most qualified people, period. They would not be successful otherwise. I struggle to believe that your employer would replace you with a lower paid immigrant unless that immigrant could run rings around you. My last boss was a Chinese woman (immigrant) who made the previous three managers (all college educated) look like developmentally disabled morons. Sorry bud, but I'm just going with the facts as I experienced them over a 35 year career. There IS a shortage of qualified labor. You might want get outta the woods and see where the rest of civilization is at.......
 
"Political rage" has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. We're talking about the reality. I too think strongly that the H-1B program is being thoroughly abused. But as a manger for 30 plus years who did a shit ton of hiring, it was plainly obvious that the quality/educational limitations of job candidates over the years was on a downward spiral. It's called "the shitty American Education System" that these corporations have help trash by their refusal to pay their fair share of the load. It's all about profits. Hell yes they'd rather lowball qualified immigrants than overpay Americans who can't keep up. They don't care who does the work as long as it is done correctly and as cheaply as possible. Did you ever stop to think that those people with four year degrees who can't find jobs aren't any good at what they majored in?? Some of the most ignorant and incompetent people I have known are college educated. It's way too easy and disingenuous to say these people are getting priced out. Successful companies hire the most qualified people, period. They would not be successful otherwise. I struggle to believe that your employer would replace you with a lower paid immigrant unless that immigrant could run rings around you. My last boss was a Chinese woman (immigrant) who made the previous three managers (all college educated) look like developmentally disabled morons. Sorry bud, but I'm just going with the facts as I experienced them over a 35 year career. There IS a shortage of qualified labor. You might want get outta the woods and see where the rest of civilization is at.......
There is no reason Americans can’t be trained to do any job anyone else can do. Period. Companies don’t want to pay for it. Indians aren’t inherently smarter, harder working or come from a superior culture. They come from a shithole and are willing to work for nothing and greedy American companies are willing to fuck over Americans by exploiting that fact. And you are squirming trying to support this indentured servitude that fucks over Americans just to win an argument. Americans work more hours than any other country hands down, and built a country the rest of the world strives to through innovation. So no, you can’t just chalk it up to “lazy stupid Americans”. Have some faith in your country and its future.
 
There is no reason Americans can’t be trained to do any job anyone else can do. Period. Companies don’t want to pay for it. Indians aren’t inherently smarter, harder working or come from a superior culture. They come from a shithole and are willing to work for nothing and greedy American companies are willing to fuck over Americans by exploiting that fact. And you are squirming trying to support this indentured servitude that fucks over Americans just to win an argument. Americans work more hours than any other country hands down, and built a country the rest of the world strives to through innovation. So no, you can’t just chalk it up to “lazy stupid Americans”. Have some faith in your country and its future.

I don't think you understand the issue.
 
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