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[MARIS61]

 

[BlazerCaravan]

My theory is that, because Islam as a religion is 700 years younger than Christianity, it hasn't been beaten down by the world to the point where it doesn't take offense much anymore. In 1300, Christianity was still rocking hard with the Might of Right stuff. Think King Phillip IV of France.

 

[Denny Crane]

1700 A.D., Christians were burning heretics at the stake, Salem witch trials, tortured people (Spanish Inquisition), and committed genocide (wiped out millions of American Indians).

 

[PDXFonz]

I was hoping the giant cross would fall on them. They could have made it on Americas funniest home videos.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

1700 A.D., Christians were burning heretics at the stake, Salem witch trials, tortured people (Spanish Inquisition), and committed genocide (wiped out millions of American Indians).

All that in the name of God ("Onward, Christian soldiers") too. I'm sad and angry that all of this is happening, but they'll catch up. Harsh economic situations breed opportunists who exploit the desperate through delusions of being wronged.

 

[MarAzul]

1700 A.D., Christians were burning heretics at the stake, Salem witch trials, tortured people (Spanish Inquisition), and committed genocide (wiped out millions of American Indians).

Geez that is an ignorant post. There was nothing in those events that made the perpetrators Christian. Horrible historical events indeed, absolutely and completely unchristian.

I suppose it comes from lack of study, but then, it could be in support of an agenda.

 

[Denny Crane]

Study.

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic MonarchsFerdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. It was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and to replace the Medieval Inquisition, which was under Papal control. It became the most substantive of the three different manifestations of the wider Christian Inquisition along with the Roman Inquisition and Portuguese Inquisition.

 

[MarAzul]

Study.

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition Spanish Inquisition Medieval Inquisition, Christian Inquisition Roman Inquisition Portuguese Inquisition.

All these Inquisitions! Sort of a power agenda thing no doubt, but hardly inspired by the teachings of Jesus. Perhaps a rather flagrant mis use of the power of his name but hardly inspired by him.

And the "Papal control"! Big power player! Kind of reminds me of the current (New) Pope and his "encyclical on climate change". Holy Christ! He too needs to study his Bible! He will be hard pressed to find a teaching of Jesus that will inspire the support of this crusade. More likely he is looking to polish his legacy, but then he is a man, not a prophet.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/12/29/pope_francis_ponti

Don't blame the Christians for this crusade, it too is lead by men seeking what men covet and most of them have forgotten about the power of Jesus' name. Only the Pope remembered that schtick.

 

[Denny Crane]

The same can be said for Muslims.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[MarAzul]

The same can be said for Muslims.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Oh Denny! Some study is long over due. I know Barrack Obama wishes to poo pooh any wrong attributed to Islam.
But you have no right to be ignorant of the facts, a little reading is all you need.

Think of this quote from the Koran the next time you see a Muslim cutting off a head.

"It is a missive from the Lord of the worlds.
But if Muhammad had fabricated concerning us any sayings,
We had surely seized him by the right hand,
And had cut through the vein of his neck.5
Nor would We have withheld any one of you from him.
But, verily, It (the Koran) isa warning for the God-fearing;
And we well know that there are of you who treat it as a falsehood.
But it shall be the despair of infidels,
For it is the very truth of sure knowledge.
Praise, then, the name of thy Lord, the Great."

Or how about this one for teaching exclusion?

"
Mecca. 31 Verses
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
Doth not a long time pass over MAN, during which he is a thing
unremembered?1
We have created man from the union of the sexes that we might
prove him; and hearing, seeing, have we made him:
In a right way have we guided him, be he thankful or ungrateful.
For the Infidels we have got ready chains and collars and flaming
fire. "


You won't find any teachings of Jesus comparable. It's like the Muslims
(Mohammad) rejected the teachings of Jesus and reverted to the
Old testament and then, one up it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Similar hate filled verses quoted by bible thumpers regarding gay persons.

Next?

 

[MarAzul]

Similar hate filled verses quoted by bible thumpers regarding gay persons.

Next?

Sure there is. In the Old testament. But then you don't understand the difference do you? Now you see the need for the teachings of Jesus.
He would have us do better.

 

[Denny Crane]

In his name, torture, burning at the stake, and all the rest.

You have a problem with your argument because whatever you claim is true about Muslims driven by their religion is true of Christians, too.

It just goes in cycles.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm sure that Denny's not insinuating that there would be a problem with (in the spirit of fairness and equality) Christianity going back to the good ol' days, but it kinda sounds like it.

Yep, the Inquisition was bad. In the 15th century
Salem wasn't our finest hour. In the 17th century
Crusades were run by mostly morally decrepit guys "fighting for Christ" and their own glory/pocketbook. In the 12th century.

2 guys blew up the Boston Marathon last year. 3 guys killed more than a dozen cartoonists and shoppers last week. Boko Haram is killing thousands in Nigeria as we speak. I could go into more detail if stuff was open source.

 

[MarAzul]

In his name, torture, burning at the stake, and all the rest.
You have a problem with your argument because whatever you claim is true about Muslims driven by their religion is true of Christians, too.
It just goes in cycles.

No Denny, things may have be done by men using the the name of Jesus, but you can reject that claim by reading what Jesus taught. You won't find any teachings of Jesus
to support torture, Burning at the stake or what. Acts have been done by men that can't read, don't read, or have another agenda which surely has nothing to do with their salvation.

Now with the Muslims, it is entirely the other way, you can find in the teaching of Mohammad, in his Koran the support to do a plethora despicable acts, especially to infidels.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Inquisition wasn't just 2 guys.

Neither was the Crusades...

Neither were the Witch Trials.

 

[barfo]

So to sum up:

Violent muslims read selectively from their holy book.
Violent christians read selectively from their holy book.
Peaceful christians read selectively from their holy book.
Peaceful muslims read selectively from their holy book.

Selective reading is fun-damental.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

The Inquisition wasn't just 2 guys.
Neither was the Crusades...
Neither were the Witch Trials.

Well Denny, most of the atrocities perpetrated by so called Christians, where done by men not so different from yourself.
BY men that failed to either find out what the teachings of Jesus were or and why he took the effort enlighten men.

It's easy to point and wail, it takes effort to learn. But not so hard, just read and think, you can do it!!

 

[MarAzul]

So to sum up:

Violent muslims read selectively from their holy book.
Violent christians read selectively from their holy book.
Peaceful christians read selectively from their holy book.
Peaceful muslims read selectively from their holy book.

Selective reading is fun-damental.

barfo

Hey! Enough of you get together with some cash, I will come teach. You might be surprised to find understanding improves your selectivity which in turn can improve your understanding.
But here, think on this; the Buddhist don't teach to do unmentionable things to do unto the infidels or any other alienating handle. Neither do the Hindus or the Sikhs. They seem to have that in common with Jesus. Weird huh?

 

[Denny Crane]

So to sum up:

Violent muslims read selectively from their holy book.
Violent christians read selectively from their holy book.
Peaceful christians read selectively from their holy book.
Peaceful muslims read selectively from their holy book.

Selective reading is fun-damental.

barfo

Rarely we agree. ThIs is one of those times.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

 

[bluefrog]

2 guys blew up the Boston Marathon last year. 3 guys killed more than a dozen cartoonists and shoppers last week. Boko Haram is killing thousands in Nigeria as we speak. I could go into more detail if stuff was open source.

What about the hundreds killed by "Christians" in the Central African Republic last year? What about the "Christian" terrorist attack in Norway that targetted children in 2011? What about the Lord's Resistance Army that has been killing people in Uganda since 2005?

 

[BrianFromWA]

LRA are animist/magician and say they follow the Ten Commandments (Jewish). And we're actively fighting them.

You may know better than I, but Wikipedia says the CAR war is a civil/sectarian war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_African_Republic_conflict_(2012–present) And the UN is trying to keep the peace.

And the Norway attack was "anti-immigrant" by a guy who said he wasn't religious, and whose "Christian fundamentalism" was lumped in because he was a neo-nazi.

 

[Denny Crane]

What about those abortion clinic bombings and murders of doctors?

Those seem like modern acts of terrorism, as terrible as any of those others committed against those expressing their free rights (e.g. speech).

 

[donkiez]

I think its pretty obvious that extremism is a product of poverty and low education. Its not some sort of magical good vs evil battle, if thats the case Im taking Zeus's side because that mother fucker has lightning bolts.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think its pretty obvious that extremism is a product of poverty and low education. Its not some sort of magical good vs evil battle, if thats the case Im taking Zeus's side because that mother fucker has lightning bolts.

Poverty and being oppressed by their own governments and other nations via military force and "legal" maneuvers.

 

[donkiez]

Poverty and being oppressed by their own governments and other nations via military force and "legal" maneuvers.

YOUR WRONG! oh wait, no your not. Sorry Im just so use to arguing with you. You forgot oil money though, throw a whole shitload of money into that equation and everything is magnified.

 

[Denny Crane]

YOUR WRONG! oh wait, no your not. Sorry Im just so use to arguing with you. You forgot oil money though, throw a whole shitload of money into that equation and everything is magnified.

The "oil money" is a complex issue.

An oil company finds oil in some 3rd world poor country. They spend $billions improving the land and contributing otherwise to the country. A lot of the money goes to the poor government there. The oil companies want security, which is a fair thing to ask for. They're even paying for it. But this just arms the government and they abuse the people.

That's the short story.

 

[donkiez]

Oil money has done a lot of good in some places over there, but for the most part its just intensified the greed and corruption. When we move on to more advanced energies sources most of the middle east will revert to the stone age. They will have squandered the most important resource ever known to man. Got me thinking about our oil prices conversation, I think we were almost making the same point, I was blaming the Saudi's but their actions have been in response to our increased fracking supply, which I think was your point. They are scared so both are causing the price drop, but the Saudis are hoping to kill off fracking with price point. At any rate they are very threatened by our new supply glut with good reason. Im not sure if that will lessen or increase the recruitment of extremists though.

 

[Denny Crane]

The problem with oil money is it makes $billionaires out of the royal family and THEY are the greedy ones. Whatever they're willing to spend on the people is how the people benefit.

But who is the oil company supposed to deal with?

When terrorists attack the oil company's facilities, who are they supposed to go to for police/defense?

If the govt. is poor, the oil company has to invest in the govt. enough they can afford the police.

Another thing that makes the oil money complex is the really big companies have more revenues than many countries' GDPs.