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[MarAzul]

Rarely we agree.

The should be a clue hidden in that discovery. Perhaps Denny or Barfo can non selectively read the bible for any teachings of Jesus that you can compare to the
atrocities put forth by Mohammad as justifiable treatment of the infidel. You can find about 160 to choose from in the Koran, find any one that you can compare in the teachings of Jesus.

Don't come back with smart ass diflections, do some work, find one example of Jesus preaching exclusion of the non believer or anything like the treatment of the infidel in the Koran.

 

[Denny Crane]

I see you selectively quoting the koran.

Hypocrisy.

 

[MarAzul]

I see you selectively quoting the koran.
Hypocrisy.

Oh, an attack on me, how quaint. But lazy and uninformed. You don't have to be Selective to pull up some despicable suggestion in that book, it's numerous and easy.
But I see you failedl to find one teaching of Jesus to compare with any one of the many in the Koran.

I should think you would be please to learn, I didn't take you for a man that is comfortable with uninformed.

Let us try another since you may have the Obama like reticence to find any thing untoward in the teachings of Mohammad. Try the teachings of Krishna.
Very similar to the teachings of Jesus except I think we had better turn that around since Krishna preceded Jesus by some three thousand years. Perhaps
Jesus manage to venture over that way awhile before doing his final deeds. But nothing in the teaching of either like that of Mohammad.

Don't leave it to my selective reading, give us your own studied opinion. A little Denny wisdom, small cuts on MarAzul mean little.

 

[Denny Crane]

Just questioning the logic of selective quoting the books.

If it suits your agenda, you do it often.

 

[Denny Crane]

My "wisdom" is that those who don't selectively quote as a call to action are the smart and good ones.

 

[MarAzul]

My "wisdom" is that those who don't selectively quote as a call to action are the smart and good ones.

My thinking is, a man who won't read, won't learn, is a man with head up ass.

 

[Denny Crane]

I read. Just not selectively and not with the intent of creating or participating in some cult.

That's how I know about the tens of millions of people murdered and tortured by Christians. I read it.

 

[MarAzul]

1700 A.D., Christians were burning heretics at the stake, Salem witch trials, tortured people (Spanish Inquisition), and committed genocide (wiped out millions of American Indians).

It seems Denny must be quoting these events out of some book! I am pretty sure he did not witness the events. Probably
hearsay though, I doubt he would put in the effort to actually read.

 

[MarAzul]

I read. Just not selectively and not with the intent of creating or participating in some cult.
That's how I know about the tens of millions of people murdered and tortured by Christians. I read it.

But you failed to read what it actually means to be a Christian! You allowed someone lead you into believing Christians were responsible.
None of these acts were in response to the teachings of Jesus and if you would read those teachings, you would know this without hesitation.
Then here you are, giving false witness about the evilness of Christians and you know not what it means to be one.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not hearsay.

Hard evidence.

is that all you got? It's not anything at all...

 

[Denny Crane]

What it means to be Christian is what someone with an agenda selectively quotes from a religious text.

Too easy.

 

[MarAzul]

Not hearsay.
Hard evidence.
is that all you got? It's not anything at all...

Ha! Says the man that will not read, the Bible, the Koran, or even the Bhagavad Gita.
But he knows!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

I haven't read those books ... Because you say so?

I also read Aesop's Fables and Grimm's Fairy tales and found them equally compelling. I don't see a difference.
What I do see is bible thumpers quoting and misquoting the bible as a means to express hate. Hate of gay people. Hate of Muslims.

 

[Denny Crane]

What God wants, god gets. God help us all.

Obey the church or burn in hell. It says so in the Bible.

 

[MarAzul]

Ha! Aesop's! Did you pass your finals?

 

[Denny Crane]

I passed my finals.

Aesop stories were of good morals.

 

[magnifier661]

What about those abortion clinic bombings and murders of doctors?

Those seem like modern acts of terrorism, as terrible as any of those others committed against those expressing their free rights (e.g. speech).

What about those Catholic Irish bombing Protestant English pubs? How about those murderous atheists that used their state of atheism to murder hundreds of millions? How about those murderous republicans intervening in the Vietnam war? What about them murderous liberals in Los Angeles in the L.A riots?

They come in all shapes and sizes... It's called humanity

 

[magnifier661]

See here is the real scoop.... Every belief or ideology have their crazies that murder for their cause. But the funny thing is how an atheist will be quick to judge the entire belief because it's by a theist, then deny that an atheist was ever part of the same murderous nature in the name of their ideology or belief.

Funny how that works huh?

 

[MarAzul]

See here is the real scoop.... Every belief or ideology have their crazies that murder for their cause. But the funny thing is how an atheist will be quick to judge the entire belief because it's by a theist, then deny that an atheist was ever part of the same murderous nature in the name of their ideology or belief.
Funny how that works huh?

True you are Mags, but there is a difference here. The Muslim can indeed believe he is following the teachings of his prophet while doing despicable deeds.
In the middle east, some call the non believer an infidel just like the Koran does but kafir is often used.. In Africa and much of eastern Asia they call the infidel "Kaffir" .
It's common practice to capture one or more and ransom the Kaffir to whom ever will pay. All within the fair play to do unto infidels. I can vouch for the fact that they enjoy the
game, from first hand up close observations. I sort of enjoyed fucking up a few those events myself, without remorse I might add.

I can not find that sort of teaching is any other religion and I have tried. Denny calls it selective reading but he can't name a specific either. Denny All Mouth, or Head up ass Denny, hard to tell.

 

[Denny Crane]

Just the opposite, Mags.

I don't judge ALL Christians or ALL Muslims because of abortion clinic murderers or other terrorist acts. I'll settle for being a heathen. Is that another word for "infidel?"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What God wants, god gets. God help us all.

Obey the church or burn in hell. It says so in the Bible.

That's not at all what the Bible says. Misperceptions like this are the kind of thing that prevent people from hearing what the Bible actually says.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's not at all what the Bible says. Misperceptions like this are the kind of thing that prevent people from hearing what the Bible actually says.

What does the Bible actually say, if not those two of MANY similar passages?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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What does the Bible actually say, if not those two of MANY similar passages?

It is by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:8-9

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart Good raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom. 10:9

Salvation does not come through obedience; it comes through faith in Christ's sacrifice on our behalf. The misperception is that Christianity is based on adherence to an arbitrary set of "do's and don't's", when it's actually based on faith in Christ, nothing more.

The Bible says that holiness, obedience, righteousness are supposed to follow out of devotion to God, not intended to secure eternal position. So no, the Bible does not say "Obey the church or burn in Hell." It says, "ALL have sinned and are deserving of eternal separation from God, but you can be with him if you choose to accept His provision as sufficient."

 

[Denny Crane]

But the Bible also says you'll burn in hell. Quotes Jesus as saying so. I deliberately showed you two specific passages out of many. Many that the "bible actually says."

"For those who do not obey the truth... burn in hell."

Truth as defined by who? The church, the Pope, the local minister/priest, the cult leader, etc. They are there to interpret the words of the book for you.

 

[Denny Crane]

A call to violence.

 

[Denny Crane]

This selective reading is fun!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If I believed that you were interested in legitimate discourse, I would address your misinterpretations. As it is, I believe you only seek to antagonize, so I will simply bid you good day. If you do have interest in discussing the tenets of Christianity and how all various verses work together to form a complete theology, feel free to PM me and we can delve further.

 

[Denny Crane]

While I'm at it, a couple of quotes from the Koran:

 

[Denny Crane]

If I believed that you were interested in legitimate discourse, I would address your misinterpretations. As it is, I believe you only seek to antagonize, so I will simply bid you good day. If you do have interest in discussing the tenets of Christianity and how all various verses work together to form a complete theology, feel free to PM me and we can delve further.

I am not interpreting or misinterpreting.

It is a fact that the bible says the things I cited. No more, no less.

 

[Denny Crane]

If I believed that you were interested in legitimate discourse, I would address your misinterpretations. As it is, I believe you only seek to antagonize, so I will simply bid you good day. If you do have interest in discussing the tenets of Christianity and how all various verses work together to form a complete theology, feel free to PM me and we can delve further.

How about a discussion of how all the various verses of the Koran work together to form a complete theology?

I think many people here "get" the Bible and Christianity. I only see cherry picking of selected verses, as I have done with the bible, with the intent of painting the religion as a threat to humanity.