Politics My doctor hates Trump

[Road Ratt]

Starting a thread by attacking everyone who might disagree with it, doesn't seem to be a logical way to begin an adult conversation/debate on any topic.

 

[yankeesince59]

Generally the burden of evidence lies with the one making the claim. Just blurting out a random unprovable factoid and demanding someone prove you wrong is kind of stupid. Did you really expect me to dig up some tally list of Trump lies and compare it to other presidents’ non-existent lie tally lists?


Are we going to pretend Bush wasn’t worse than Trump?

Sorry, but this is not "unprovable".

https://www.businessinsider.my/trump-impeachment-public-hearing-gop-senators-claim-busy-2019-11/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

And we don't need to "pretend Bush wasn't worse than Trump" because, well, he wasn't. Did Bush lie or deliberately mislead
13,435 times (and counting)?...Did Bush hurl 598 (and counting) insults?

I have provided actual evidence while you have provided none. Doesn't exactly speak volumes about your case.

 

[CupWizier]

Generally the burden of evidence lies with the one making the claim. Just blurting out a random unprovable factoid and demanding someone prove you wrong is kind of stupid. Did you really expect me to dig up some tally list of Trump lies and compare it to other presidents’ non-existent lie tally lists?

Like I said though, priorities (or lack therof). War and death are just fine as long as the president talks nice. Ok.

No meanies though!

Are we going to pretend Bush wasn’t worse than Trump?

FACT, documented over 13,000 lies, or misleading statements by trump. Show me a president that comes close.

 

[calvin natt]

You’re right. Other presidents have smiled and waved while lying us into wars that kill thousands. That’s how you act ‘presidential’. Much of the Trump criticisms are perfectly valid, but this shit where everyone is pretending he’s the worst person who’s ever been president is just stupid and false. It really shows people’s priorities (or lack therof). I guess a lot of people are fine with getting bent over as long as the person doing it “talks nice” lol. Acting “presidential” is just a euphemism for being a well-mannered lying prick, as opposed to just a regular lying prick.

Find a poll or a news source you believe, so Im thinking Fox or whatever, and see if they even support the fact that he lies more than any president we have on record. Everyone lies. Not everyone lies the same amount. At some point today, he will completely make something up, no basis, no fact, no supporting evidence, just will speak and lie. Blatantly lie to the public, and his followers will cheer and clap their hands.

 

[jonnyboy]

Sorry, but this is not "unprovable".

https://www.businessinsider.my/trump-impeachment-public-hearing-gop-senators-claim-busy-2019-11/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

And we don't need to "pretend Bush wasn't worse than Trump" because, well, he wasn't. Did Bush lie or deliberately mislead
13,435 times (and counting)?...Did Bush hurl 598 (and counting) insults?

I have provided actual evidence while you have provided none. Doesn't exactly speak volumes about your case.

FACT, documented over 13,000 lies, or misleading statements by trump. Show me a president that comes close.

Find a poll or a news source you believe, so Im thinking Fox or whatever, and see if they even support the fact that he lies more than any president we have on record. Everyone lies. Not everyone lies the same amount. At some point today, he will completely make something up, no basis, no fact, no supporting evidence, just will speak and lie. Blatantly lie to the public, and his followers will cheer and clap their hands.

Lies>dead bodies.

Got it guys, no further explanations needed.

You’re literally proving the point I’m trying to make for me. And that is that there are actually dipshits out there that think lies are worse than wars.

Hot take:
You guys are more right wing than me...by a lot.

 

[calvin natt]

Lies>dead bodies.

Got it guys, no further explanations needed.

You’re literally proving the point I’m trying to make for me. And that is that there are actually dipshits out there that think lies are worse than wars.

You were the one who jumped from "he lies" to wars. Not me. I have not mentioned Bush or wars once until right now. I said Trump is a liar like no other President ever. Fact. And calling us dipshits isnt OK, dont do it again.

 

[jonnyboy]

It’s hilarious, I bring up a 20 year long war that’s killed thousands of innocent people and the responses I get are links to stories about trump lying. I bet there are more dead kids in Iraq than lies on your little lists. Pull your heads out of your asses.

 

[calvin natt]

It’s hilarious, I bring up a 20 year long war that’s killed thousands of innocent people and the responses I get are links to stories about trump lying. I bet there are more dead kids in Iraq than lies on your little lists. Pull your heads out of your asses.

keep moving the goal posts. if it makes you feel better.

 

[jonnyboy]

And calling us dipshits isnt OK, dont do it again.

Didn’t call you dipshits directly. But if you want to lump yourself into the large group I was referring to, I won’t argue.

 

[jonnyboy]

keep moving the goal posts. if it makes you feel better.

You guys are the ones having the “who can count the most trump lies” contest. Yankee said Trump is worse than Bush. I disagreed, then you guys started lie counting because apparently “lies” are the only metric by which a persons shittiness can be measured. Apparently starting wars doesn’t count in your little bad man contest.

 

[yankeesince59]

Lies>dead bodies.

Got it guys, no further explanations needed.

You’re literally proving the point I’m trying to make for me. And that is that there are actually dipshits out there that think lies are worse than wars.

Hot take:
You guys are more right wing than me...by a lot.

So in other words you cannot/will not dispute or disprove the facts I provided?,

And actually, "further explanation" is needed, or at least it would serve to bolster your case. And now you're somehow trying to convert people who died in combat in wars/conflicts during previous Presidents' as the true measure of a President's greatness or failure as opposed to Trump's BS ? ...nice spin.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hot take:
You guys are more right wing than me...by a lot.

Thanks!

 

[yankeesince59]

You guys are the ones having the “who can count the most trump lies” contest. Yankee said Trump is worse than Bush. I disagreed, then you guys started lie counting because apparently “lies” are the only metric by which a persons shittiness can be measured. Apparently starting wars doesn’t count in your little bad man contest.

What in the world are you spinning now?...What do you think Bush "lied" about?...or what war he "started"?...Making statements/decisions based on info that was given to him by his staff/military/info "experts, may be a bad decision or maybe a faux pas, but it's not a flat out lie.

 

[CupWizier]

What in the world are you spinning now?...What do you think Bush "lied" about?...or what war he "started"?...Making statements/decisions based on info that was given to him by his staff/military/info "experts, may be a bad decision or maybe a faux pas, but it's not a flat out lie.

It's the johnny spin logic. If you can't back a statement, change the directive. Sounds like his leader trump.

 

[riverman]

My dentist who served on the same ship I did in the Navy hated Obama and talked about damned liberals for 8 years....he's retired now...great dentist and a million sailor stories but he was not an Obama fan. I never talked politics with him other than Nixon and the war...he had sharp objects in my mouth after all

 

[Lanny]

To be fair, haven't all politicians and presidents before him done the same but just without the brashness?

In a word, NO.

But let's ignore all of those veterans, disabled, and women who voted for him.




Oh that's not subjective at all.

What on Earth does your statement about ignoring all Veterans, disabled and women have to do with Amirlcon's post?

 

[Lanny]

Generally the burden of evidence lies with the one making the claim. Just blurting out a random unprovable factoid and demanding someone prove you wrong is kind of stupid. Did you really expect me to dig up some tally list of Trump lies and compare it to other presidents’ non-existent lie tally lists?

Like I said though, priorities (or lack therof). War and death are just fine as long as the president talks nice. Ok.

No meanies though!

Are we going to pretend Bush wasn’t worse than Trump?

Pretend? No need to pretend. Trump is far worse than Trump or even Nixon is staring you right in the face.

 

[calvin natt]

Didn’t call you dipshits directly. But if you want to lump yourself into the large group I was referring to, I won’t argue.

Feels like a whole lotta projection. I won’t call you a dipshit directly either.

 

[jonnyboy]

So in other words you cannot/will not dispute or disprove the facts I provided?,

And actually, "further explanation" is needed, or at least it would serve to bolster your case. And now you're somehow trying to convert people who died in combat in wars/conflicts during previous Presidents' as the true measure of a President's greatness or failure as opposed to Trump's BS ? ...nice spin.

What spin? It’s my opinion. Am I allowed to have an opinion without citing a source? Your little “gotcha!” games don’t work on people who form their own opinions.

 

[Lanny]

You guys are the ones having the “who can count the most trump lies” contest. Yankee said Trump is worse than Bush. I disagreed, then you guys started lie counting because apparently “lies” are the only metric by which a persons shittiness can be measured. Apparently starting wars doesn’t count in your little bad man contest.

At West Point the only totally unforgivable sin is telling a lie. I'd have to say that lying is one one of the top features in determining the shitiness of a President.

 

[Lanny]

It’s hilarious, I bring up a 20 year long war that’s killed thousands of innocent people and the responses I get are links to stories about trump lying. I bet there are more dead kids in Iraq than lies on your little lists. Pull your heads out of your asses.

Well, that's got to be in the running for the dumbest post in here ever.

 

[yankeesince59]

What spin? It’s my opinion. Am I allowed to have an opinion without citing a source? Your little “gotcha!” games don’t work on people who form their own opinions.

Of course you can have an opinion, and so can I...but even you should be able to understand that opinions without facts are not as compelling as opinions with facts.



You asked for proof...I provided it. Period..................I asked you to disprove it, you failed to do so. Period.

Your little "opinion" games won't work on people with facts.

 

[Lanny]

Lies>dead bodies.

Got it guys, no further explanations needed.

You’re literally proving the point I’m trying to make for me. And that is that there are actually dipshits out there that think lies are worse than wars.

Hot take:
You guys are more right wing than me...by a lot.

Not likely.

 

[yankeesince59]

Well, that's got to be in the running for the dumbest post in here ever.

Yup, it's almost like watching a message board meltdown. Using his pretzel logic, evidently, the Presidents who were in office during Wars/police actions/conflicts are all worse than Trump.

 

[Lanny]

Yup, it's almost like watching a message board meltdown. Using his pretzel logic, evidently, the Presidents who were in office during Wars/police actions/conflicts are all worse than Trump.

This means that President F.D.R. was the worst President ever. I think over 20 Million innocents died in that war. Brilliant logic.

 

[Lanny]

You’re right. Other presidents have smiled and waved while lying us into wars that kill thousands. That’s how you act ‘presidential’. Much of the Trump criticisms are perfectly valid, but this shit where everyone is pretending he’s the worst person who’s ever been president is just stupid and false. It really shows people’s priorities (or lack therof). I guess a lot of people are fine with getting bent over as long as the person doing it “talks nice” lol. Acting “presidential” is just a euphemism for being a well-mannered lying prick, as opposed to just a regular lying prick.

The evil that men do can only be measured by their intent. Sure Bush Jr. flubbed mightily but I don't believe he had an evil bone in his body. Trump? Now, he's pure evil.

 

[Lanny]

Your doctor hates Trump. I knew I wasn't alone.

 

[jonnyboy]

The evil that men do can only be measured by their intent. Sure Bush Jr. flubbed mightily but I don't believe he had an evil bone in his body. Trump? Now, he's pure evil.

This type of shit is just laughable to me, I’m sorry. Yeah Trump is a moron, but you guys are creating a boogeyman super villain of epic proportions to try and justify YOUR OWN seething hatred. It’s hot air. Trump is a conman, greasy used car salesman-esque dirtbag. But he hasn’t started any wars yet and he hasn’t dropped as many bombs as the last few presidents. Using over the top phrases like “Pure evil” is just you being sensational and trying to scare people into seeing your way.
Jeffrey Dahmer is “pure evil”. Trump is a fucking idiot. There is a difference.

 

[calvin natt]

This type of shit is just laughable to me, I’m sorry. Yeah Trump is a moron, but you guys are creating a boogeyman super villain of epic proportions to try and justify YOUR OWN seething hatred. It’s hot air. Trump is a conman, greasy used car salesman-esque dirtbag. But he hasn’t started any wars yet and he hasn’t dropped as many bombs as the last few presidents. Using over the top phrases like “Pure evil” is just you being sensational and trying to scare people into seeing your way.
Jeffrey Dahmer is “pure evil”. Trump is a fucking idiot. There is a difference.

OK, he's a different evil, he's not Jeffrey Dahmer, you got us there.
As for dropping bombs, you are right there too.
However, I think within the borders of America, the unity of this country, the progress of racism, white nationalism, immigrants, our allies across the world, that has all suffered and for the most part, completely and utterly unnecessarily. It is due to his actual words. The lies, the divisive nature of his words, have divided the country. He has created a level of hate that we haven't seen. The culmination of phrases like "grab em by the pussy", "good people on both sides", etc., have worn down america. Making up false numbers, or false statements about "many people think", when nobody thinks it. Its nonstop. He has created this damage on his own. He hides behind "I'm just not Presidential". He makes accusations of the media that is over the top, creating a false sense of doubt that his followers, inexplicably gullible, buy into. Its dangerous. Our elections continue to be tampered with, North Korea, Russia, China, all are no more our friends now than they were 3 years ago. They are in fact, more of a threat now than they were before he started his presidency.

You can scream and yell ad nauseam about bombs and that trump hasnt killed people so we are overreacting. I dont recall anyone except you talking about bombs. Bombs are bad. We agree. Ok. Now that we have established that, that doesnt excuse the lying and divisiveness of Trump. It doesnt mean he gets to be a blabbering idiot. And he is. Now, tell us why he is NOT an idiot, and doesn't really lie.

 

[yankeesince59]

This type of shit is just laughable to me, I’m sorry. Yeah Trump is a moron, but you guys are creating a boogeyman super villain of epic proportions to try and justify YOUR OWN seething hatred. It’s hot air. Trump is a conman, greasy used car salesman-esque dirtbag. But he hasn’t started any wars yet and he hasn’t dropped as many bombs as the last few presidents. Using over the top phrases like “Pure evil” is just you being sensational and trying to scare people into seeing your way.
Jeffrey Dahmer is “pure evil”. Trump is a fucking idiot. There is a difference.

Ahh, I see. So you admit that while Trump is a "con-man, greasy used car salesman dirtbag, and a fucking idiot"...but he's YOUR "con-man, greasy used car salesman dirtbag, and a fucking idiot".

Got it.