Free Agent Napier or Baldwin?

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

who do you want as backup PG?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Baldwin. Napiers shot is hands down better, but we have enough of that. We need lockdown D. Guys who get in stars faces. Not that Napier wont, but Baldwin already proved he can and will.

If we do keep baldwin, we HAVE to upgrade the SF backup though. Someone who can shoot.

 

[TBpup]

'Want'? Shabazz is the better scorer and more accomplished player. Baldwin is the much better defender and potentially better all-around player....and will come much cheaper.

Outside of the starters, to me, Baldwin may have played the best game of the season of all the remaining guards in that game against Harden and the Rockets. Whether he can replicate that or not is to be seen but I didn't see anyone else on the roster have a game like that.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I think Stotts answered that question in the playoffs....

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I want Baldwin, his versatility and size is something we lack in a backup guard.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

who do you want as backup PG?

Neither?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If you're asking, "If you have to pick one to keep, which is it?" then I guess Baldwin just because he seems more defensively versatile.
I thought Shabazz showed improvement over the season and could be a super-poor-man's Lillard if Dame was out, but Stotts didn't seem to trust him.
Surely when other teams can find players like Quinn Cook and Fred VanVleet, we can do better (e.g. JALEN BRUNSON!)

 

[julius]

Baldwin. Napiers shot is hands down better, but we have enough of that. We need lockdown D. Guys who get in stars faces. Not that Napier wont, but Baldwin already proved he can and will.

If we do keep baldwin, we HAVE to upgrade the SF backup though. Someone who can shoot.

Is Napiers shot "hands down better" tho?

 

[rotary111]

Baldwin for sure.

Napier will be fine. He gained some respect around the league with his season here. Wade showed some defensive ability we haven't seen from a guard in a long time. Spend the summer working with him and he will be getting plenty of minutes in both guard positions next season. Nice work Olshey.

 

[RickyJoe]

I would keep Shabazz if he was cheap but I would keep Baldwin also. I don't think Shabazz will be cheap so Baldwin it is

 

[PDXFonz]

Inconclusive, need a larger sample size before I'd take Baldwin over Napier.


Too many factors and unknowns. Depends on what Napier value around the league looks like.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Love Baldwin. Length to play defense

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I didn’t like Shabazz as much as others, his defense was ok, he was kind of a ball hog on offense, his shot was streaky at best. He had a good / decent run in January especially when Dame was out, but overall I wasn’t as impressed as others seemed to be. Baldwin has an incredibly small sample size, but I liked the defense, his shot seemed ok, and he didn’t seem like a ball hog.

 

[BBert]

Baldwin.

No poll?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Baldwin.

No poll?

Baldwin's been castrated?

 

[BBert]

Baldwin's been castrated?

Ouch. I certainly hope not. I like his moxie.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Napier is a tough defender. He has also had more "good" games than Baldwin.
But Baldwin is potentially a better fit next to either Dame or CJ. So I would roll the dice with him.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Napier is a tough defender. He has also had more "good" games than Baldwin.
But Baldwin is potentially a better fit next to either Dame or CJ. So I would roll the dice with him.

More bad ones too, but a lot of that is sample size!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Is Napiers shot "hands down better" tho?

You know after thinking about it he was hot to end last year and started out good I think, or had an early hot streak but then was marginal at best the rest of the year I think.
And I agree with @TorturedBlazerFan. He dribbles too much.

 

[Titan]

Probably go with Baldwin, since he will be cheaper and I like his defense.

 

[Strenuus]

Baldwin. Napiers shot is hands down better, but we have enough of that. We need lockdown D. Guys who get in stars faces. Not that Napier wont, but Baldwin already proved he can and will.

If we do keep baldwin, we HAVE to upgrade the SF backup though. Someone who can shoot.

This is pretty much it.

 

[riverman]

Baldwin....Bazz is another Tim Frazier undersized pt guard...Bazz is a good backup most of the time but as people mentioned...Baldwin impressed me with his guarding of Harden...he frustrated the guy...Bazz never really did that but Bazz lead the team in steals....mid season Bazz played great...later heading into the playoff he disappeared

 

[dviss1]

Shabazz may be small but he's a lockdown defender.

He's a better defender than Baldwin.

That said, I'm choosing Baldwin. Just on size, potential, and size of contract.

 

[twobullz]

I think people forget Bazz had a hurt foot at the end of the season, which really hurt his shooting. I think if he does not hurt his foot, he does not have the slump. I would keep Bazz if we could, but don't think we will.

 

[BonesJones]

Shabazz may be small but he's a lockdown defender.

He's a better defender than Baldwin.

That said, I'm choosing Baldwin. Just on size, potential, and size of contract.

Bazz is definitely not a lockdown defender.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Bazz is definitely not a lockdown defender.

I see him more like a pesky defender, he is aggressive, and does a good job of getting his hands on the ball, not a bad defender though.

 

[tlongII]

Definitely Bazz. I don’t think Baldwin will stick in the league.

 

[Labinot41]

I like to see more from that, so i take wade

 

[jlprk]

When Baldwin IV learns the Stotts style, he'll be a clone of Connaughton on both defense and offense. Baldwin looks an inch taller.

Oh, you want to compare Napier. Napier scored like a star earlier in the season, and has always been a much better playmaker than McCollum (who isn't?), but Stotts didn't appreciate him, so Napier's success was temporary. Olshey (economics, no trade talent) and Stotts (personal dislike apparently) will keep Baldwin IV over Napier.

With such a tiny sample set, you guys sure are certain. This season's minutes in regular season and playoffs: 1570 Napier, 99 Baldwin IV, a 16-to-1 ratio.

 

[jlprk]

who do you want as backup PG?

Neither?

I thought Shabazz showed improvement over the season and could be a super-poor-man's Lillard if Dame was out, but Stotts didn't seem to trust him.

Surely when other teams can find players like Quinn Cook and Fred VanVleet, we can do better (e.g. JALEN BRUNSON!)

Yep. Except that, for a month, he was shooting like Lillard or McCollum. And nice dig at Olshey there.

If we do keep baldwin, we HAVE to upgrade the SF backup though. Someone who can shoot.

Yep. Years ago when Olshey lost Aldridge and signed Aminu/Davis/Plumlee, I posted, he didn't address our main need on offense, a SF. Everyone told me that it would either come soon, or wasn't important because our guards were so good. Right.

I think Stotts answered that question in the playoffs....

Stotts played Napier in his 2 games more minutes than Baldwin IV in his 4 games.
Edit (worded more clearly): That's not per game. Napier's total minutes in 2 games exceeded Baldwin's total in 4 games.

Baldwin for sure...Nice work Olshey.

Every GM routinely picks up failed FAs, drafts, and re-signs players he already has. Since that's all Olshey does (never ever trades, not a negotiator/wheeler-dealer), they are considered big achievements around here.

I would keep Shabazz if he was cheap but I would keep Baldwin also. I don't think Shabazz will be cheap so Baldwin it is

Yes, Olshey only makes a move when he is forced by economics.

I didn’t like Shabazz as much as others, his defense was ok, he was kind of a ball hog on offense, his shot was streaky at best.

he was hot to end last year and started out good I think, or had an early hot streak but then was marginal at best the rest of the year I think.
And I agree with @TorturedBlazerFan. He dribbles too much.

It's called, playing the 1 position instead of the stupid 2 ("Wow, the black hole always shoots without hesitation after receiving the pass! Misses, but what an impressive shooter reputation!")

Napier is a tough defender.

pesky defender, he is aggressive, and does a good job of getting his hands on the ball, not a bad defender though.

By far our best thief. Gets steals in clusters, like 3 in 2 minutes. Easy to miss.

Bazz is another Tim Frazier undersized pt guard.

Ridiculous. No comparison. Frazier is on borrowed time. And now for some reason.

Inconclusive, need a larger sample size before I'd take Baldwin over Napier. Too many factors and unknowns. Depends on what Napier value around the league looks like.

Definitely Bazz. I don’t think Baldwin will stick in the league.

I think people forget Bazz had a hurt foot at the end of the season, which really hurt his shooting. I think if he does not hurt his foot, he does not have the slump. I would keep Bazz if we could, but don't think we will.