Nash and Childress

[magnifier661]

I know the possibility of Nash was posted before; but I wanted to post this trade idea again. The reason is I believe Phoenix would love to get "Childress's contract" off the books. This deal will almost guarantee we will have 0 cap room to get a marquee free agent; but being honest; will we even have a shot at one?

Here is the deal:

Nash and Childress for Felton, Matthews and Babbit

I think Nash will stay in Portland and can give us 3 very solid years. Look at what Kidd has done in Dallas. When you have great B-Ball IQ; you can stay in the league for a long time.

Nash would punish teams for daring our guards to shoot; while they bunker down on Aldridge. Also, can you imagine the amount of lobs Aldridge will get with Nash in the game? And talk about our fast break baskets too.

Childress is guaranteed for 3 more years. If Wallace does leave town, we have either a starter at SF (Childress) or move Batum to starting 3; while having Childress be the back up 3.

So if this deal is made; this is what I expect the line-up to look like.

PG: Nash, SG: Batum, SF: Wallace, PF: Aldridge, Center: Camby

Reserves: PG: Nolan Smith / Crawford, SG: Crawford / E. Will, SF: Childress / Batum, PF: Craig Smith / Thomas, Center: Thomas / Aldridge

The more I think about this deal; the more I like it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm sure Phoenix would like to get rid of Childress' deal, but what exactly are they getting in return? Babbitt? Puh-lease!! Matthews can play a little bit, but he's really just "a guy" and Felton expiring is either a good thing or a bad thing. I can't believe that is the best offer out there for Nash.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm sure Phoenix would like to get rid of Childress' deal, but what exactly are they getting in return? Babbitt? Puh-lease!! Matthews can play a little bit, but he's really just "a guy" and Felton expiring is either a good thing or a bad thing. I can't believe that is the best offer out there for Nash.

Well it's a bad situation for Phoenix. The teams that would need Nash couldn't part with the pieces that could take them to the next level. The only other team I see that could give decent pieces is Orlando. They have some nice shooters; that always seem to entice Phoenix. And Nash, Turk with Howard could be a deadly trio in the East.

 

[Blazer4ever]

I think if you're counting on Wallace leaving as a FA it makes more sense to simply include him in the deal

 

[Nikolokolus]

Ideally Phoenix is going to want liquid assets like multiple picks ... they may not get them, but if it's time to rebuild an offer of Luke Babbitt, Wesley Matthews and Raymond Felton wouldn't exactly light a fire under my ass to make a deal.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think if you're counting on Wallace leaving as a FA it makes more sense to simply include him in the deal

Yeah, that might make sense.

 

[magnifier661]

I think if you're counting on Wallace leaving as a FA it makes more sense to simply include him in the deal

I don't think he's going to leave. But if he does; then we have a back up plan.

 

[magnifier661]

Ideally Phoenix is going to want liquid assets like multiple picks ... they may not get them, but if it's time to rebuild an offer of Luke Babbitt, Wesley Matthews and Raymond Felton wouldn't exactly light a fire under my ass to make a deal.

Unless, that combo would tank them out. Then they have a chance to get a top 3 pick.

 

[Rhal]

I'm sure Phoenix would like to get rid of Childress' deal, but what exactly are they getting in return? Babbitt? Puh-lease!! Matthews can play a little bit, but he's really just "a guy" and Felton expiring is either a good thing or a bad thing. I can't believe that is the best offer out there for Nash.

Nash isnt' going to garner any real good offers. He is old and not a building block for the future and almost all the contender teams that would want him already have a PG. Lakers/Magic/Blazers are the only real teams that would want his services and the Lakers have nothing of value while the magic have shooters but not really any good young talent and what we have is the ability to take on salary from them which might be the best solution if Nash demands a trade.

 

[magnifier661]

Nash isnt' going to garner any real good offers. He is old and not a building block for the future and almost all the contender teams that would want him already have a PG. Lakers/Magic/Blazers are the only real teams that would want his services and the Lakers have nothing of value while the magic have shooters but not really any good young talent and what we have is the ability to take on salary from them which might be the best solution if Nash demands a trade.

Yeah Magic doesn't have expiring contracts to make it work.

Although the Lakers do have some options; just not quality. They could use their TE for Childress; then do Meta World Peace and Blake for Nash.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85vclvx

 

[Rhal]

Yeah Magic doesn't have expiring contracts to make it work.

Although the Lakers do have some options; just not quality. They could use their TE for Childress; then do Meta World Peace and Blake for Nash.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85vclvx

The suns take on big Cash for useless players. I doubt the suns want to pay the 11M combine for the next 2 years on both those players.

 

[magnifier661]

The suns take on big Cash for useless players. I doubt the suns want to pay the 11M combine for the next 2 years on both those players.

I agree; but I'm just saying that it could be possible. I think our offer would be much better, IMO.

 

[magnifier661]

The suns take on big Cash for useless players. I doubt the suns want to pay the 11M combine for the next 2 years on both those players.

OMG, I just looked at the draft and noticed MWP and Blake's (PER). M. World Peace is 6.7?!?!?! and Blake is 10.4? Wow they suck big time!

 

[Rhal]

OMG, I just looked at the draft and noticed MWP and Blake's (PER). M. World Peace is 6.7?!?!?! and Blake is 10.4? Wow they suck big time!

Blake has been injured he has an excuse. MWP blamed boredom for his horrible play.

 

[jlprk]

Peace must be on a psychiatric drug that has taken away his once-feared ferocity.

I conjecture that, but he says his psychiatrist is the most meaningful person in his life, the reason he goesto one is his ferocity, and psychiatrists prescribe mood-altering drugs. So it's obvious why he now sucks.

 

[Boise Blazer]

FYI I know a lot of people worry about Nash's age but here is an interesting comparison.

Here is Nash and Stockton at 37 years old in their 16th season (which is the current season for Nash):

http://bkref.com/tiny/p6nUN

Here is Stockton's stats and you can his last three years:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html#per_game::none

I guess the question is, would you have taken Stockton in his last 3 years?

 

[magnifier661]

FYI I know a lot of people worry about Nash's age but here is an interesting comparison.

Here is Nash and Stockton at 37 years old in their 16th season (which is the current season for Nash):

http://bkref.com/tiny/p6nUN

Here is Stockton's stats and you can his last three years:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html#per_game::none

I guess the question is, would you have taken Stockton in his last 3 years?

I hate Stockton; but would have loved him in Portland. So yeah I would have taken Stockton his last 3 years.

 

[Boise Blazer]

I hate Stockton; but would have loved him in Portland. So yeah I would have taken Stockton his last 3 years.

Yeah, I hated him too but there is no denying how good he was. He was still pretty damned productive his last three years in the league and I think its a pretty good comparison with Nash.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah, I hated him too but there is no denying how good he was. He was still pretty damned productive his last three years in the league and I think its a pretty good comparison with Nash.

I think Nash could be a better scorer than Stockton though. Stockton wasn't really too big of an offensive scorer like Nash. And what Nash brings would be a Godsend to Aldridge. We could very well see a 25/9 Aldridge easily. Maybe even higher numbers!

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think Nash could be a better scorer than Stockton though. Stockton wasn't really too big of an offensive scorer like Nash. And what Nash brings would be a Godsend to Aldridge. We could very well see a 25/9 Aldridge easily. Maybe even higher numbers!

It's practically palpable through the computer screen, you working yourself into a tizzy over Steve Nash.

 

[magnifier661]

It's practically palpable through the computer screen, you working yourself into a tizzy over Steve Nash.

I'm not going to lie. I am all apeshit over Nash. Even the 3 year rental Nash.

Gotta seriously look at our team. If we were just a .500 team on the road; we would be 2nd in the West. With a Nash; we stood a better chance against Detroit, Utah and Sac Queens. That is the difference between being a 3-9 team, to a 6-6 team on the road.

You don't think the addition of Nash wouldn't help push the tempo and energy on the road?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm not going to lie. I am all apeshit over Nash. Even the 3 year rental Nash.

Gotta seriously look at our team. If we were just a .500 team on the road; we would be 2nd in the West. With a Nash; we stood a better chance against Detroit, Utah and Sac Queens. That is the difference between being a 3-9 team, to a 6-6 team on the road.

You don't think the addition of Nash wouldn't help push the tempo and energy on the road?

I don't know ... probably. But you keep throwing out these trade scenarios that basically involve getting him for almost nothing. The Suns aren't going to part with him easily when he's basically the only reason they can sell tickets in their arena.

Secondly, assuming you're going to get three productive years out of Nash is pretty hard to justify for a guy who has had a history of back issues ... and we don't have the Suns legendary training staff to keep him upright.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't know ... probably. But you keep throwing out these trade scenarios that basically involve getting him for almost nothing. The Suns aren't going to part with him easily when he's basically the only reason they can sell tickets in their arena.

Secondly, assuming you're going to get three productive years out of Nash is pretty hard to justify for a guy who has had a history of back issues ... and we don't have the Suns legendary training staff to keep him upright.

Felton is expiring, Matthews is guaranteed for a couple more years; but very manageable contract. We take on 2.5 more million back in the trade; basically giving them another 2.5 free. Babbit is a lost cause; but he's only a 2 mil player. We take back Childress; which is a failed experiment for them and they want him off their books.

Felton and Matthew's PERS add up to Nash. Also, they are in good shape to have free money to go after free agents this summer; especially if Felton doesn't resign with them. What if they get a top 3 pick? Maybe Felton stays? They could bring in a difference maker PF. It's not as bad as you think it is.

 

[mook]

Yeah, I hated him too but there is no denying how good he was. He was still pretty damned productive his last three years in the league and I think its a pretty good comparison with Nash.

It's a pretty reasonably comparison. Although even a hobbled 38 year old Stockton was still a better defender than Nash in his prime. By then Stockton was molasses slow, but he knew where he was supposed to be and honestly cared deeply about defense. Nash seems quicker, and has always been a better scorer.

 

[jlprk]

If we had a fast break coach, Nash could play the Nash style. If we go after Nash, we should simultaneously pursue a coach who will have the whole team play the Nash way.

Actually, we'd have to get the coach first, or Nash wouldn't come here. He'd retire in lieu of playing for Nate. Nash would be an ordinary NBA starting guard in McMillan's system.

 

[magnifier661]

If we had a fast break coach, Nash could play the Nash style. If we go after Nash, we should simultaneously pursue a coach who will have the whole team play the Nash way.

Actually, we'd have to get the coach first, or Nash wouldn't come here. He'd retire in lieu of playing for Nate. Nash would be an ordinary NBA starting guard in McMillan's system.

5th in PPG. If we had a Nash; that could be considerably higher.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Felton is expiring, Matthews is guaranteed for a couple more years; but very manageable contract. We take on 2.5 more million back in the trade; basically giving them another 2.5 free. Babbit is a lost cause; but he's only a 2 mil player. We take back Childress; which is a failed experiment for them and they want him off their books.

Felton and Matthew's PERS add up to Nash. Also, they are in good shape to have free money to go after free agents this summer; especially if Felton doesn't resign with them. What if they get a top 3 pick? Maybe Felton stays? They could bring in a difference maker PF. It's not as bad as you think it is.

OK, this is just a hilarious argument.

 

[magnifier661]

OK, this is just a hilarious argument.

What about the rest?

 

[Nikolokolus]

What about the rest?

Mostly I think there are 28 other potential trading partners and they can do better.

 

[magnifier661]

Bump.

We need Nash dammit! Hell let's throw in Wallace and Matthews for Nash and Childress. We need a perimeter leader and floor general.