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A lot of people in this thread basically proving Kerr's point here. This is why I refrain from talking about politics.
Look, Im not claiming that Kerr or the NBA is good or bad, but their response to this rubs me the wrong way. Clearly I understand thats a subjective opinion and I understand and respect other people’s takes on it. Even Kerr’s, I just dont believe he’s being that incredibly honest with us about all of it which is his choice and fine, but like his free speech and ability to speak out on issues that he finds important, I too can exercise my right to speak freely on my opinions.
 
China and Hong Kong are very, very different Asian cultures...they don't even speak the same language...the Cantonese in southern China and Hong Kong are some of the most capitalistic people in Asia...love gambling...HK is the main hub for the Chinese Triads....(mafia) and has branches in major cities throughout the world.....it is a smuggling port...big money has been under the table there for centuries....most mainland Chinese people are apolitical...only work, family and food get much thought. They accept that govt is chaotic and militant and live accordingly....Hong Kong residents are not from that ilk....they are aggressive business people....I've been throughout China twice and visited Hong Kong a couple dozen times over a long stretch....this is another Tiananmen Square situation that unfortunately will end up with the Mainland winning. Having freedom of speech without censorship is something we should never take for granted.
 
Yeah which is why it rubs me the wrong way he’s never been shy to say stuff on other subjects whether he’s educated or not on the subject but when theres a ton of money at stake its lets talk about these other issues instead. Now its fair to talk about issues your passionate about, and say no comment to the other stuff, but the Im not educated on the subject thing for something like this, just dont buy it. Others might and thats fine, we can agree to disagree. In fact, I’ll still watch NBA games because Im not really offended by it, I just dont believe that is why he wont address it.

When was he talkative about stuff he is not versed in? I honestly think you are projecting in this case.
 
When was he talkative about stuff he is not versed in? I honestly think you are projecting in this case.
Maybe, but either way I don't believe his reasons for not talking about it. Are you projecting by believing his reasons for it? isn't that call subjective either way... I actually don't mind too much of Kerr or Pop's though yeah sometimes they get annoying but I find myself agreeing with them or at least understanding them most of the time. Just this instance doesn't sit well.
 
Maybe, but either way I don't believe his reasons for not talking about it. Are you projecting by believing his reasons for it? isn't that call subjective either way... I actually don't mind too much of Kerr or Pop's though yeah sometimes they get annoying but I find myself agreeing with them or at least understanding them most of the time. Just this instance doesn't sit well.

How am I projecting if I am quoting him?

I have also said that I have never seen him being subversive or outright lie.

Have you? If you have, I can understand not believing him. If you have not, frankly, you are projecting.
 
How am I projecting if I am quoting him?

I have also said that I have never seen him being subversive or outright lie.

Have you? If you have, I can understand not believing him. If you have not, frankly, you are projecting.
Didn't he just say that there are Mass shootings in the US every day? Is that true...
 
PLEASE MOVE THIS SHIT OFF OUR MAIN PAGE!
I don’t give a fuck what the tropic is, there are now posts about Trump and guns in America. Times up! Move this bitch!
 
PLEASE MOVE THIS SHIT OFF OUR MAIN PAGE!
I don’t give a fuck what the tropic is, there are now posts about Trump and guns in America. Times up! Move this bitch!
Like it or not, the moment Trump randomly targeted Kerr, the two topics became intertwined.

Considering how close you are to the NBA, and given your occupation is directly related to covering it, I'd figure you'd be interested in the whole economics of the issue
 
As of September 1, there were 280 shooting deaths in 2019 in 270 days.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shootings-2019-more-mass-shootings-than-days-so-far-this-year/

You really can't tell what he's trying to convey here or are you being literal on purpose?

I think you are underreporting it. There have been 283 mass shooting incidents in 270 days. There are on average around 13,000, non suicide gun deaths on intent per year (this comes to 35 deaths per day). On average, he is right, there is a mass shooting per day. Death by gun violence are much higher.
 
How am I projecting if I am quoting him?

I have also said that I have never seen him being subversive or outright lie.

Have you? If you have, I can understand not believing him. If you have not, frankly, you are projecting.
So yeah sorry if I don't believe every word that comes out of his mouth.
here's a fun steve kerr qoute.
"So I lied. Sorry, but I don’t think they give you the trophy based on morality. They give it to you if you win. So sorry about that."

Yeah it's about basketball, but it seems to me the message is clear from Coaches who do this type of "white lie" when it suits them that they're definitely capable of saying things that aren't true when it suits them.
 
So yeah sorry if I don't believe every word that comes out of his mouth.
here's a fun steve kerr qoute.
"So I lied. Sorry, but I don’t think they give you the trophy based on morality. They give it to you if you win. So sorry about that."

Yeah it's about basketball, but it seems to me the message is clear from Coaches who do this type of "white lie" when it suits them that they're definitely capable of saying things that aren't true when it suits them.

You are entitled to believe whoever you want. I have been a Kerr fan for a long time (remember running into him often at Mother's restaurant downtown when he played for Portland) and he has always seemed genuine - in my opinion, in this case, you are projecting.
 
Like it or not, the moment Trump randomly targeted Kerr, the two topics became intertwined.

Considering how close you are to the NBA, and given your occupation is directly related to covering it, I'd figure you'd be interested in the whole economics of the issue
VERY interested actually. I just don’t come on hear to read people’s opinion on religion or politics is all. I know where to go find all that bullshit if I want to. And the email page is no place for it in my opinion.
 
I think you are underreporting it. There have been 283 mass shooting incidents in 270 days. There are on average around 13,000, non suicide gun deaths on intent per year (this comes to 35 deaths per day). On average, he is right, there is a mass shooting per day. Death by gun violence are much higher.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
is it is interesting, but life isn't just this year. I do agree with much of Kerr's stances on Gun's and gun regulations / laws. It might be projection if you want to call it that, but I just don't take him at his word here, at the least it's pretty convenient for him to not have anything to say about the subject, but my opinion on it is just that my opinion on it.
 
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
is it is interesting, but life isn't just this year. I do agree with much of Kerr's stances on Gun's and gun regulations / laws. It might be projection if you want to call it that, but I just don't take him at his word here, at the least it's pretty convenient for him to not have anything to say about the subject, but my opinion on it is just that my opinion on it.

As I said, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to disagree with it.
 
You are entitled to believe whoever you want. I have been a Kerr fan for a long time (remember running into him often at Mother's restaurant downtown when he played for Portland) and he has always seemed genuine - in my opinion, in this case, you are projecting.
Ah so you've met him and have a subjective bias by that, that you enjoyed your time with him so you're inclined to believe him. Look were all seeing what we want too! lol. I mean I get it. He may be telling the truth, but and I have said a bunch of times I am of the opinion in this case he wasn't. I think were just spinning the cycles though at this point so I'll bow out because I don't think we are getting places. I'll accept it I'm projecting because I must be if I don't just believe Kerr today.
 
VERY interested actually. I just don’t come on hear to read people’s opinion on religion or politics is all. I know where to go find all that bullshit if I want to. And the email page is no place for it in my opinion.
This forum isn't the news, man, you know that. Can't expect people to not have an opinion. Look at how much crap Kerr is getting for NOT having one.
 
Ah so you've met him and have a subjective bias by that, that you enjoyed your time with him so you're inclined to believe him. Look were all seeing what we want too! lol. I mean I get it. He may be telling the truth, but and I have said a bunch of times I am of the opinion in this case he wasn't. I think were just spinning the cycles though at this point so I'll bow out because I don't think we are getting places. I'll accept it I'm projecting because I must be if I don't just believe Kerr today.

Of course there is bias, there is always bias - and in the case of having some interaction with someone - I believe it usually helps to figure out who is full of crap and who is not, I am usually pretty sure of my BS detector, especially when I had a chance to meet someone in person and observe them. As I said, I have been a fan of Kerr for a long time, got to listen to him as a TV analyst, enjoyed watching his coached team play (and listen to his interaction with the media) and had a small amount of time to actually interact with him in person - so yes, I believe I have enough data to get a read (and I am certain that there is a chance that I am duped as well).

When discussing character / belief - experience observing an individual an having some kind of an idea of his track record is a good way to evaluate him. Sure.
 
I believe anyone who wants to speak out against the Hong Kong issue should feel free to do it...I don't think people should be judged for keeping their opinions to themselves either. Kerr can choose his own words and times just like all free thinking and uncensored people can.....
 
I believe anyone who wants to speak out against the Hong Kong issue should feel free to do it...I don't think people should be judged for keeping their opinions to themselves either. Kerr can choose his own words and times just like all free thinking and uncensored people can.....
You mean you like the way things are here in good ol America?
 
I think @TorturedBlazerFan is absolutely right. Steve Kerr is being disingenuous. Furthermore, the response by the NBA has been shockingly obsequious. Here is a good listen on the subject:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736#episodeGuid=gid://art19-episode-locator/V0/I6hMDtoFBslgSimSOWmLEhsMbGjJE_lG478ySD-1Zjs
I listened to that podcast this morning. The guy definitely understands the complexities of the situation and understands the cultural sensitivities quite well.
 
"Malcolm Hooper Kerr was a university professor specializing in the Middle East and the Arab world. An American citizen, he was born, raised, and died in Beirut, Lebanon. He served as president of the American University of Beirut until he was killed by gunmen in 1984."

I see. I thought he was a diplomat. Funny how his father was a world-traveling scholar, and now his son is a bubble-living hypocrite.

What? You're shaming people for saying they will respond only after learning more about a situation for speaking on it?

You'd rather they be like the dumbass in the whitehouse and spout off nonsense only to be corrected 2 minutes later?

He hasn't said that. In fact, like you, he's gone off on some "orange man BAD!" rant every chance he's gotten.

What a ridiculous notion.

His father was killed by two gunmen and his team has personally been involved in multiple public barbs with Trump. He absolutely has grounds to speak upon it. And everything he has said about both issues have been absolute FACTS. And any of his opinions are justified with FACTS. Just do a tiny bit of research and you'll see that.

His brother in law is actually a professor on Chinese studies and wanted to get all sides of the story before speaking up.

Gimme a fucking break. The level of partisan discord in this country has me so worried. This is Trumpism 101 when you start shaming people for stuff like this.

Oh pull your fucking Huggies up. You Liberals do not have the monopoly on morality and facts in this country, so get over yourself. There is NO FACTS when it comes to gun control, especially when they come out of Michael Bloomberg's asshole instead of someone like Massad Ayoob, who has spent his entire life teaching and studying the issue of firearms and self defense. And if Kerr was so concerned with gun safety, he'd go join up and volunteer with the Eddie Eagle program for Gun Safety, or he would teach firearms classes about gun safety. But no.....he cares about gun CONTROL, not gun SAFETY, and you fucking know it.

My grandfather served in the Army and fought with distinction in Korea, in fact, he was decorated with Valor for it....but that doesn't give me grounds to speak on issues of being in a war zone or being a soldier, any more than Kerr has grounds to speak on gun control. But I will say this: I've spent the past 15 years of my life studying firearms, firearm laws, ammunition, and the Use Of Force Continuum....I would destroy Kerr in a debate about guns in this country, and I don't even consider myself an expert. Having a father who was assassinated (and I'm sympathetic to him for that) no more makes him knowledgeable on firearm issues than having a sister makes me knowledgeable on women's issues.

But all of this is besides the point. He can't get pissy about Trump's supposed infringements on people's rights and Trump being a PRESUMED dictator every chance he gets.....and then willfully play the "well, the world is a grey place" deflection card when confronted about China's VERY WELL KNOWN and FACTUAL brutality and communist dictatorship. It doesn't work that way. The man is a hypocrite and an elitist who picks and chooses facts based on feelings instead of logic. And he absolutely deserves to be shamed for it.

He said NOTHING about china all he said was president trump sucks and gun control issues. Go to the thing sly posted and tell me where he actually addressed China...?

This. And I find it funny that of all the people in the NBA, only Kerr and Pops are insecure about the President, which is proof that 1) they shouldn't be taken seriously about anything, and 2) TDS is real.

I think you are underreporting it. There have been 283 mass shooting incidents in 270 days. There are on average around 13,000, non suicide gun deaths on intent per year (this comes to 35 deaths per day). On average, he is right, there is a mass shooting per day. Death by gun violence are much higher.

Take out gang shootings and that number drops by half. It's even more startling when you realize that guns account for less than 1% of the total number of deaths in this country per year.
 
"insecure about the President"

I see republicans are all glomming on to this phrase wrt Kerr and Pop. Hilariously stupid.
 
"insecure about the President"

I see republicans are all glomming on to this phrase wrt Kerr and Pop. Hilariously stupid.

Sorry, but when you equate the President of the United States with being a dictator, yet you conveniently ignore ACTUAL dictators who are trying to ACTUALLY control you.....then yes, you are INSECURE about the President. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that....:dunno:
 
The UK had a 99 year lease with China for Hong Kong. We didn't have a lease for Manhattan, we bought it.
Only the New Territories we’re leased, Hong Kong island was not, it was ceded to the UK after the Opium Wars. The UK did not have to hand back Hong Kong island.

My guess as to why the UK did hand back Hong Kong island is because without the New Territories, the island did not have the infrastructure to function, and maybe because the UK feared China would go to war over the island.
 
Sorry, but when you equate the President of the United States with being a dictator, yet you conveniently ignore ACTUAL dictators who are trying to ACTUALLY control you.....then yes, you are INSECURE about the President. I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that....:dunno:
Coming from the dude with the big orange one as his moniker picture. Sure.
 
Coming from the dude with the big orange one as his moniker picture. Sure.

Proving my point, thank you. No rational or logical reasoning.......just a bunch of crying and sarcastic comments about "Orange Man". I'm starting to wonder the age group of some people here.....
 
Either we can talk about China and the NBA or we can continue to bitch about each other and I'll move the thread to the OT section.
 
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