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But I mean, c’mon. Of all the hate filled, racist, downright uneducated posts that get tossed around here daily, I’M the one on ignore. You can’t make that shit up.
 
riverman said:
wear it like a badge of honor!
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I think I do. I just can’t think of anything anybody would post on here that would offend me so much as to not want to see anything they post. Even the hate speech and ill thought out opinions of our current state of the pandemic.
 
THE HCP said:
I think I do. I just can’t think of anything anybody would post on here that would offend me so much as to not want to see anything they post. Even the hate speech and ill thought out opinions of our current state of the pandemic.
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you see everything posted if you don't log in anyway....the only difference is you don't get engaged in the muck of it
 
I feel some sympathy for Telfair. High school to NBA and when he doesn't make it, cut loose with no education or skills. But he was still young and had money. There were options.
No one is saying these guys are axe murderers. But apparently they all were in it together? Not sure I like prison but absolutely favor asset forfeiture for financial crimes. Starting with twice impeached loser.
 
Idog1976 said:
I’m old enough to remember Darius Miles and the Grizzlies defrauding PA out of money sharing clause due to DM ruining his medical buyout by playing games when he was done-zo. Just enough games to ruin the medical buyout as well.
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i mean.... BRoy essentially did the same but the amnesty clause saved us. I think the Memphis thing was in retaliation for winning the 07 lottery. Jerry West was giving BRoy the evil eye when his team dropped from #1 to #4.

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Danny Ainge actually claimed Miles first before Memphis even.
 
Idog1976 said:
I’m old enough to remember Darius Miles and the Grizzlies defrauding PA out of money sharing clause due to DM ruining his medical buyout by playing games when he was done-zo. Just enough games to ruin the medical buyout as well.
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that's not really how it happened. Portland didn't have clean hands in that fiasco and pretty much deserved to get worked. Some team was going to spite Portland for their threats to all 29 teams. It just happened to be memphis

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/t...mails-around-the-nba-because-of-darius-miles/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ow-one-bad-act-can-mar-an-entire-organization
 
wizenheimer said:
that's not really how it happened. Portland didn't have clean hands in that fiasco and pretty much deserved to get worked. Some team was going to spite Portland for their threats to all 29 teams. It just happened to be memphis

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/t...mails-around-the-nba-because-of-darius-miles/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ow-one-bad-act-can-mar-an-entire-organization
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Jesus, read this hit piece. I forget how much Woj hated KP. https://sports.yahoo.com/aw-milespritchard011709.html

And the better he has looked, the worse it has reflected on Portland GM Kevin Pritchard. As much as anyone, this mess has exposed him. He wanted to be the star in the good times in Portland, wanted all the bouquets and bows for his work on the job. He started to believe his own clippings, his own mythology, and he thought he could get away with anything.

From the start, Pritchard stumbled into the one rabid NBA market where a general manager can aspire to celebrity. Portland declared Pritchard the Golden Boy, the Gambler, and played songs about him on the radio. Never once did he seem embarrassed. Never did he do much but furiously feed the rush to declare him a genius.

He bragged of draining three cell-phone batteries a day. He bought high-risk stocks, and he never laid up on a par-5. He loves those little details about himself getting into the papers. True? Who knows? It sure made for a fast-rising legend, though. He wanted everyone to believe that he worked harder and longer and smarter. Maybe he thought it all portrayed a confidence, but it mostly masked an insecurity.

He had taken the San Antonio Spurs' computer scouting programs and made them bigger and better. "Kevin's baby," the local paper said the Blazers called it in their offices. Rip City wanted a hero to make the Jail Blazers go away, and Pritchard indulged himself in it all.

Portland owner Paul Allen gave Pritchard the biggest stack of chips to bring to the table, and Pritchard flaunted them to everyone. He stockpiled draft choices like Reagan did nuclear warheads, buying up millions of dollars worth of picks from cash-strapped teams over the past several seasons. He never has been afraid to rub that advantage into the faces of his peers. The Blazers still haven't been to the playoffs under him, but any opposing GM on the wrong side of a deal with Portland is considered to have been Pritch-slapped.

It's strange, but every transaction in Portland has been treated like a validation of Pritchard's genius. Now, his apologists are blaming Paul Allen and president Larry Miller for the Miles mess, only it doesn't work like that. Pritchard is the face of the franchise because he made it that way.

Pritchard has mismanaged the Miles situation from the beginning. Once the league doctor agreed that Miles' knee injury was a career-ender, Pritchard's dubious intentions came tumbling out of him.

"Two doctors said Darius had the worst microfracture injury they had ever seen," he publicly said. "They would never have him play basketball, and the odds of having knee replacement surgery [are] high. I hear that, and as a general manager, I didn't want it on my conscience – that I had a kid have to go through a knee replacement surgery.

"That's a pretty major surgery. They saw [two bones] and replace [the knee]. It's a bad deal."

His conscience, huh? Those were words directed at the rest of the league, trying to tell every other team that Miles was too far gone for them to consider bringing back. He must have believed people were stupid. All around the NBA, it made everyone think: Pritchard sounds scared that Miles isn't done at all. Why else would he be trying so hard to convince everyone otherwise?

Bad enough that Pritchard spoke out of turn on a player's medical condition and possibly violated privacy laws, but it was clear that a campaign to frighten away potential teams was under way. From there, it went underground. If the Blazers couldn't scare people on Miles' knee, it wasn't long, league executives say, until Portland turned to his character.

Pritchard has a great eye for talent, but that's just the start of constructing a contender, a champion. The greats of his profession understand the humbling nature of the job – genius today, bum tomorrow – and mostly stay in the shadows, deflecting praise on coaches and players. Once you try to make yourself the star in the good times, you're asking for trouble when they go bad. So now, his hubris has been Pritch-slapped into silence, and maybe in the long run, it's the best thing that could've happened to the Blazers. Maybe they needed this sobering reminder of reality.

Portland loses cap space now, and it loses some respect. All that arrogance, all those threats and a 27-year-old that Kevin Pritchard and his posse had dismissed as character-free, as the last holdout of the Jail Blazers, taught them a lesson.

Yes, the Jail Blazers made a comeback this season.

Only this time, they wore suits.
 
illmatic99 said:
Jesus, read this hit piece. I forget how much Woj hated KP. https://sports.yahoo.com/aw-milespritchard011709.html

And the better he has looked, the worse it has reflected on Portland GM Kevin Pritchard. As much as anyone, this mess has exposed him. He wanted to be the star in the good times in Portland, wanted all the bouquets and bows for his work on the job. He started to believe his own clippings, his own mythology, and he thought he could get away with anything.

From the start, Pritchard stumbled into the one rabid NBA market where a general manager can aspire to celebrity. Portland declared Pritchard the Golden Boy, the Gambler, and played songs about him on the radio. Never once did he seem embarrassed. Never did he do much but furiously feed the rush to declare him a genius.

He bragged of draining three cell-phone batteries a day. He bought high-risk stocks, and he never laid up on a par-5. He loves those little details about himself getting into the papers. True? Who knows? It sure made for a fast-rising legend, though. He wanted everyone to believe that he worked harder and longer and smarter. Maybe he thought it all portrayed a confidence, but it mostly masked an insecurity.

He had taken the San Antonio Spurs' computer scouting programs and made them bigger and better. "Kevin's baby," the local paper said the Blazers called it in their offices. Rip City wanted a hero to make the Jail Blazers go away, and Pritchard indulged himself in it all.

Portland owner Paul Allen gave Pritchard the biggest stack of chips to bring to the table, and Pritchard flaunted them to everyone. He stockpiled draft choices like Reagan did nuclear warheads, buying up millions of dollars worth of picks from cash-strapped teams over the past several seasons. He never has been afraid to rub that advantage into the faces of his peers. The Blazers still haven't been to the playoffs under him, but any opposing GM on the wrong side of a deal with Portland is considered to have been Pritch-slapped.

It's strange, but every transaction in Portland has been treated like a validation of Pritchard's genius. Now, his apologists are blaming Paul Allen and president Larry Miller for the Miles mess, only it doesn't work like that. Pritchard is the face of the franchise because he made it that way.

Pritchard has mismanaged the Miles situation from the beginning. Once the league doctor agreed that Miles' knee injury was a career-ender, Pritchard's dubious intentions came tumbling out of him.

"Two doctors said Darius had the worst microfracture injury they had ever seen," he publicly said. "They would never have him play basketball, and the odds of having knee replacement surgery [are] high. I hear that, and as a general manager, I didn't want it on my conscience – that I had a kid have to go through a knee replacement surgery.

"That's a pretty major surgery. They saw [two bones] and replace [the knee]. It's a bad deal."

His conscience, huh? Those were words directed at the rest of the league, trying to tell every other team that Miles was too far gone for them to consider bringing back. He must have believed people were stupid. All around the NBA, it made everyone think: Pritchard sounds scared that Miles isn't done at all. Why else would he be trying so hard to convince everyone otherwise?

Bad enough that Pritchard spoke out of turn on a player's medical condition and possibly violated privacy laws, but it was clear that a campaign to frighten away potential teams was under way. From there, it went underground. If the Blazers couldn't scare people on Miles' knee, it wasn't long, league executives say, until Portland turned to his character.

Pritchard has a great eye for talent, but that's just the start of constructing a contender, a champion. The greats of his profession understand the humbling nature of the job – genius today, bum tomorrow – and mostly stay in the shadows, deflecting praise on coaches and players. Once you try to make yourself the star in the good times, you're asking for trouble when they go bad. So now, his hubris has been Pritch-slapped into silence, and maybe in the long run, it's the best thing that could've happened to the Blazers. Maybe they needed this sobering reminder of reality.

Portland loses cap space now, and it loses some respect. All that arrogance, all those threats and a 27-year-old that Kevin Pritchard and his posse had dismissed as character-free, as the last holdout of the Jail Blazers, taught them a lesson.

Yes, the Jail Blazers made a comeback this season.

Only this time, they wore suits.
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Such bull. The DRs were right, Miles could no longer play, and his "comeback" was 100% bogus. The rest is just a smokescreen.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It says he doesn’t condone fraud, and thinks people should pay for their crimes. Am I missing something?
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Wanting someone to be held accountable for their actions and wanting someone to go to jail are two different things. There is very little data to support that the threat incarceration prevents someone from doing an illegal act or having been incarceration reduces a persons probability of breaking the law again.

We spend lot of money on something that may have a net negative impact on society, which is kinda strange to me.
 
THE HCP said:
But I mean, c’mon. Of all the hate filled, racist, downright uneducated posts that get tossed around here daily, I’M the one on ignore. You can’t make that shit up.
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I certainly don't have you on ignore and are not considering it, but I understand the idea: you've been a broken record for months now.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I certainly don't have you on ignore and are not considering it, but I understand the idea: you've been a broken record for months now.
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It must of been me posting 18 times a day to Fire Stotts EVERYDAY for 6 straight months. Oh wait that wasn’t me. Because I can understand how THAT would get frustrating and would make somebody want to put somebody on ignore.
 
Tince said:
Wanting someone to be held accountable for their actions and wanting someone to go to jail are two different things. There is very little data to support that the threat incarceration prevents someone from doing an illegal act or having been incarceration reduces a persons probability of breaking the law again.

We spend lot of money on something that may have a net negative impact on society, which is kinda strange to me.
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Maybe a timeout?

If you don’t stop committing fraud by the count of 3….?

Slap their hands?
 
THE HCP said:
You know how many people on here drive me nuts. But I’d never ignore anybody on here. Who does that? I’m THAT detrimental to the the site? Me?
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haha many people drive me crazy here too, but you gotta know how to roll with the punches. It's funny seeing some of them get riled up over something so silly, I'm going to act like I'm 12 and going to ignore you now! I get a nice laugh out of it over and over, I had my fun in the Simmons thread the other week
 
illmatic99 said:
There are so many more important crimes that need reporting than defrauding for medical insurance.
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However, this story is concerning to those that care about Pro Basketball. (and that is all). This story is juicy, if you are a insurance fraud investigator.
 
Tince said:
Wanting someone to be held accountable for their actions and wanting someone to go to jail are two different things. There is very little data to support that the threat incarceration prevents someone from doing an illegal act or having been incarceration reduces a persons probability of breaking the law again.

We spend lot of money on something that may have a net negative impact on society, which is kinda strange to me.
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I believe the threat of incarnation does prevent white collar crimes such as financial fraud. The other example I stated of Martha Stewart going to jail for illegal insider trading is a public deterrent that I've seen helps people understand the consequences of insider trading when I discuss these situations in my profession.

Just because you think there is "little data" to support that belief, doesn't disapprove my belief.

I understand I don't know everything, I'm not all knowing, and there is much I can learn. I'm all for someone showing me evidence that changes my belief, but until I have seen that I will use my best imperfect beliefs on how we should have public policy enforced and crimes sentenced.

If these accused ex players are convicted of insurance fraud I'm all for a judge sentencing them to prison if that is the most appropriate sentence a judge, the prosecution, and the legal system come up with.
 
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