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blazerkor said:
Thanks, I still don't know how his speed will translate in the NBA but you make some really great points. Like I said if we can't get a trade that makes more sense than he does and he's available, he's the third guy on my board after Jabari and Paolo but picking him would make me really nervous.

I do think when you say stuff like

it makes you seem pretty biased but maybe the smiley face meant that was a jocular exaggeration.

Also I don't think a cross between Rudy and Joker could play well next to Nurk.
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The Chet becoming Jokic+Gobert comment was a joke
 
The more I really study tape I think Chet is perfect for todays NBA.

I think the Oden draft really has Blazer fans nervous about making the right pick. When you have a prospect like Chet who doesn’t look the prototypical part necessarily of who you want to use a high draft pick on it makes people a little antsy.

Smith has just as many holes as a prospect but looks aesthetically like a guy who can become a superstar.

The WCC argument of competition is about as lazy as it gets. So many greats in many sports played college against a variety of competition.
 
MickZagger said:
I think a cross between Gobert and Jokic would take precedence over Nurk. lol
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That's totally fine with me. If our scouts project Chet as something even close to that they should draft him and either let Nurk walk or preferably sign him now and then trade him if it's apparent that the two don't work together.
 
MickZagger said:
The more I really study tape I think Chet is perfect for todays NBA.

I think the Oden draft really has Blazer fans nervous about making the right pick. When you have a prospect like Chet who doesn’t look the prototypical part necessarily of who you want to use a high draft pick on it makes people a little antsy.

Smith has just as many holes as a prospect but looks aesthetically like a guy who can become a superstar.

The WCC argument of competition is about as lazy as it gets. So many greats in many sports played college against a variety of competition.
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If you don't see why Chet's holes in his game make him more likely to be a total bust than the holes that Jabari has, then I don't know what to tell you. Chet is the riskier pick in my estimation but he probably has the higher ceiling. Jabari is the safest pick to give you production on both ends of the court. Paolo has the highest likelihood of being an all star and a defensive liability but all three could be all stars. I just don't see Paolo or Jabari being busts and there are a lot of ways that Chet ends up one.
 
Jabari is not going to be an all star or superstar. Lol. Can’t create his own shot well enough.
 
Predator said:
Jabari is not going to be an all star or superstar. Lol. Can’t create his own shot well enough.
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LOL?!? Are you fucking serious? You think it's a guarantee that a guy that can shoot like Jabari, is as athletic as he is and is as intense on D as he is doesn't have a chance at being an all star? That's some Nostradamus level knowledge you have there. Like I said, I think that Chet has bigger bust potential but Paolo, Chet, Ivey, Shaedon and fucking Jabari all have all star potential and those are just the obvious ones. Ruling him out because you don't think a guy with shitty guards that still managed to score 17ppg as a freshman will never be able to create his own shot kinda tells me everything I need to know about you.

Yeah, I drag Chet pretty badly but I always finish that shit off with the absolute fact that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
 
I say again: you guys have a lot more confidence in your own talent scouting than I could ever have. I can develop opinions about players once I see them in an NBA game a few times (and I'm often wrong about 1st or 2nd year players). But I'm just too iffy on projecting guys I've seen playing against college players onto an NBA floor

I'm really leery of Holmgren, not so much because of his talent (which can be debated) but because in today's NBA it's just too difficult to have elite impact from the PF & C positions. Jokic-Giannis-Embiid...that's about it and Chet sure as hell doesn't appear to be capable of reaching their level. That's not to say that C's and PF's can't be impact players...I'm thinking of guys like Sabonis, Valunciuna, Adebayo, and Siakam (but Siakam isn't a big; stretch-4)

I'm inclined to think that there will be Stretch-4's and wings out of this draft as good as Chet who don't have as many ways they could fail. But maybe that's wrong. I just look at Chet and think 'Porzingis' and then say no thanks
 
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wizenheimer said:
I say again: you guys have a lot more confidence in your own talent scouting than I could ever have. I can develop opinions about players once I see them in an NBA game a few times (and I'm often wrong about 1st or 2nd year players). But I'm just too iffy on projecting guys I've seen playing against college players onto an NBA floor

I'm really leery of Holmgren, not so much because of his talent (which can be debated) but because in today's NBA it's just too difficult to have elite impact from the PF & C positions. Jokic-Giannis-Embiid...that's about it and Chet sure as hell doesn't appear to be capable of reaching their level. That's not to say that C's and PF's can't be impact players...I'm thinking of guys like Sabonis, Valunciuna, Adebayo, and Siakam (but Siakam isn't a big; stretch-4)

I'm inclined to think that there will be Stretch-4's and wings out of this draft as good as Chet who don't have as many ways they could fail. But maybe that's wrong. I just look at Chet and think 'Porzingis' and then say no thanks
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If the Blazers can't get Jabari Smith, it might end up being best for them if they stay at the #6 pick and take 6'8" Tari Eason.
 
blazerkor said:
LOL?!? Are you fucking serious? You think it's a guarantee that a guy that can shoot like Jabari, is as athletic as he is and is as intense on D as he is doesn't have a chance at being an all star? That's some Nostradamus level knowledge you have there. Like I said, I think that Chet has bigger bust potential but Paolo, Chet, Ivey, Shaedon and fucking Jabari all have all star potential and those are just the obvious ones. Ruling him out because you don't think a guy with shitty guards that still managed to score 17ppg as a freshman will never be able to create his own shot kinda tells me everything I need to know about you.

Yeah, I drag Chet pretty badly but I always finish that shit off with the absolute fact that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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I was actually referring to the post above yours from Zagger who said people ignore Jabari’s faults as a prospect because he “looks the part”.

I agree with him, he has faults and it would really surprise me if Jabari became a superstar or consistent all star.

And the fact that you’re blaming his guards is part of the issue. He shouldn’t need his guards to “set him up” if he was as good as you think.

Also, I’ve never claimed to be some NBA draft guru. I’m a moron posting on a message board just like you. I don’t see the need to say “hey I don’t know what I’m talking about” because … surprise … that’s pretty much assumed on a fucking anonymous message board lmao.

And I never said “guarantee”.

But thanks, Nostradamus truly has nothing on me. I’m a superior intellect. Clearly.
 
BankTeller said:
That’s a harsh critique for a guy who’s still 18. But alright dude lol.
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Not really. There’s only a few players who are superstars and a few more who are consistent all stars. Didn’t say he wouldn’t be good or even very good. He could be. Just superstar/consistent all star is a little much in my view.
 
Predator said:
If we take Eason at #6 I’ll stop being a Blazer fan forever. That would be so stupid. You could trade down to #9 or #10 and get an extra asset.
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If that's true, you should have stopped being a Blazer fan forever in 2017 when Olshey chose Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan over Kyle Kuzma.
 
Predator said:
If we take Eason at #6 I’ll stop being a Blazer fan forever. That would be so stupid. You could trade down to #9 or #10 and get an extra asset.
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Have to keep all options open to improve the talent on our team. Trading down could be one of them.
 
Anthony Bennett was a can’t miss prospect as well..

Many thought he had zero chance of bust.
 
blazerfan11 said:
If that's true, you should have stopped being a Blazer fan forever in 2017 when Olshey chose Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan over Kyle Kuzma.
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Lol yeah, wasting the 26th pick is exactly the same as wasting the 6th pick. Ok buddy.

A more apt comparison would be taking Meyers leonard at 6 instead of Damian Lillard, when you could’ve easily traded down from 6 and still got Meyers with your second pick but added an asset or two instead of massively over drafting someone.
 
MickZagger said:
Anthony Bennett was a can’t miss prospect as well..

Many thought he had zero chance of bust.
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Unless I'm misremembering, Bennett went first that year because someone had to. There were a lot of questions about him, but there were a lot of questions about a bunch of guys. Maybe someone didn't think he could possibly bust, but "many"? I don't remember that being the case at all.
 
Predator said:
If we take Eason at #6 I’ll stop being a Blazer fan forever. That would be so stupid. You could trade down to #9 or #10 and get an extra asset.
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This is how I feel about Holmgren at 1, 2 or 3
 
PCmor7 said:
Unless I'm misremembering, Bennett went first that year because someone had to. There were a lot of questions about him, but there were a lot of questions about a bunch of guys. Maybe someone didn't think he could possibly bust, but "many"? I don't remember that being the case at all.
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This is correct. I still remember watching the broadcast of that draft, and the camera showed the shocked looks on all the GM's faces when the 1st pick was announced. I think that kind of speaks for itself.
 
Predator said:
Jabari is not going to be an all star or superstar. Lol. Can’t create his own shot well enough.
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Predator said:
Not really. There’s only a few players who are superstars and a few more who are consistent all stars. Didn’t say he wouldn’t be good or even very good. He could be. Just superstar/consistent all star is a little much in my view.
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Yes, it is. You changed from “an all star or superstar” in your initial take to “superstar/‘consistent’ all star” lol. Like if he plays 15 years and makes 6 all star teams, is he a ‘consistent’ all star?

I took your initial take for what you literally wrote: he won’t be an all star, even one time. I’m not gonna grill you for being skeptical that he’ll be a superstar, cause no one really knows. But it is a little ridiculous to think he’ll never learn to do anything else than shoot 3s before he even turns 19. Kawhi was strictly a defense-first guy for like 4 years.

But whatever, we’ll agree to disagree on Smith.
 
Mediocre Man said:
He was absolutely not a can’t miss prospect
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No one thought that dude was going to go that high at all, he did well in workouts but there were major questions about him all you need to know is:
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blazerkor said:
LOL?!? Are you fucking serious? You think it's a guarantee that a guy that can shoot like Jabari, is as athletic as he is and is as intense on D as he is doesn't have a chance at being an all star? That's some Nostradamus level knowledge you have there. Like I said, I think that Chet has bigger bust potential but Paolo, Chet, Ivey, Shaedon and fucking Jabari all have all star potential and those are just the obvious ones. Ruling him out because you don't think a guy with shitty guards that still managed to score 17ppg as a freshman will never be able to create his own shot kinda tells me everything I need to know about you.

Yeah, I drag Chet pretty badly but I always finish that shit off with the absolute fact that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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Do you have a personal connection to Jabari? You're getting emotional...

Nah I agree that that's a ridiculous comment. Players can learn how to handle the ball and attack off the dribble. He's still extremely young. Being able to shoot the way he does off the dribble will make it easier for him to attack off the dribble and Auburn's lack of spacing didn't make things easier on him to create himself.
 
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blazerfan11 said:
If the Blazers can't get Jabari Smith, it might end up being best for them if they stay at the #6 pick and take 6'8" Tari Eason.
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Eason at 6 is a massive reach. Trade down if you have to. Too many similar caliber prospects that'll be available with the Pelicans pick if we have it or that we could trade down for. Gotta go with someone who has more upside than him (Sharpe or Griffin).
 
BonesJones said:
PLEASE tell us why that is.
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Yoooo BONES. Question for ya:

Everyone on here is talking about the lotto. But this is the first time I’ve been excited about having a high 2nd. Outside of Duren and Holmgren, there’s still Koloko, Kessler, Robinson, Nzosa, and Mark Williams who I think would all provide good value for us as a backup C. I know guys like Williams and Kessler might be gone by 36, but who you taking with our 2nd of those guys? Or are you taking a C at all with that pick?

I always enjoy the livestreams
 
BankTeller said:
Yoooo BONES. Question for ya:

Everyone on here is talking about the lotto. But this is the first time I’ve been excited about having a high 2nd. Outside of Duren and Holmgren, there’s still Koloko, Kessler, Robinson, Nzosa, and Mark Williams who I think would all provide good value for us as a backup C. I know guys like Williams and Kessler might be gone by 36, but who you taking with our 2nd of those guys? Or are you taking a C at all with that pick?

I always enjoy the livestreams
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Glad you enjoy the streams!

I wouldn't feel comfortable taking one at 11 or 12 because I feel like we could trade down, gain more assets, and still land a solid center. Whether that's into the late teens for Koloko/Williams or late 20s for Robinson or Nzosa. I'd be more okay with teaching for a C at 11 if we had an obvious need there but with how many good forwards there are, is want to take a chance on one of them with the hope that they could grow into a starting role over the next couple of years.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You mock me, but now I will

WABC. Just stop with them in the lottery. If he’s FINALLY the exception, then great for whoever drafts him
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If in workouts with NBA players he shows he has the foot speed to defend the perimeter, not constantly get blown by and still get back to defend the rim, then he would be a great fit for us. I just think he's too slow to pair with Nurk... if that means we draft Chet and Duren, should we have the chance, and let Nurk walk because Chet is so good, then so be it. I just don't love the Chet/Nurk combo as much as Jabari/Nurk, Paolo/Nurk or someone we could likely get from a team that is as high on Chet as some in here are and let's say Hart and Bledsoe to play in the front court with Nurk.

Where someone is from or the color of their skin doesn't make a difference, it's what they bring to the game. If Chet can move his feet fast enough he isn't a total liability one on one defensively and therefore relegated to a rim protector who almost any player could bully in the paint. He would then have multiple facets at high levels on both ends of the court and I wouldn't mind taking him at all. Because he's such a high pick, it won't be likely that we'll get to see him workout against live NBA level athletes so we'll just have to trust our FO to work him out the right way and know what they're doing if we're lucky enough to get up high enough to where this is even an issue.
 
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