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Re: NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2
Enes is a monster:
6'11.25" || 259 lbs || 5.9 body fat%
For the sake of comparison
Oden @2007 combine:
7'0" || 257 lbs || 7.8 body fat%
Enes is a monster:
6'11.25" || 259 lbs || 5.9 body fat%
For the sake of comparison
Oden @2007 combine:
7'0" || 257 lbs || 7.8 body fat%
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Just went back and watched Norris Cole vs. Butler in the Horizon League semis. The guy is just solid.
Speedy pg with good ball handling skills. Great shooting mechanics both spotting up and off the bounce. Didn't put up great shooting numbers, but improved every year in college and fully expect to be an above average shooter in NBA. Doesn't force much and is more than willing to get his teammates involved even though he's clearly Cleveland State's best player.
Great leader. Always encouraging teammates after good plays. Does a good job directing his teammates if there's any confusion in the half-court. Played football in high school (quarterback, and is the brother of Eagles DE Trent Cole) and shows that toughness when he plays, especially defensively where he has pit bull like mindset. He looked awesome on D overall, absolutely shutting down Shelvin Mack( I know that's not saying a ton but he's viewed as a legit NBA prospect). He is technically sound and has great lateral quicks and great hands. Forced at least 5 or so turnovers in this game. Is on the smallish side, but is a feisty, hard-nosed defender and showed that he does not back down from a match-up where he might be physically overmatched in some aspects.
Another thing I like is Cleveland State runs a pro style offense and plays man to man defense most of the time which I think is important when making the transition to the NBA.
It's hard to say how much of his scoring output at Cleveland State will translate. Like I said, his shot mechanics are great, but he was an inconsistent shooter in college (shot 85 from the line which could be a sign that he still has some untapped potential as a shooter). Can get into the paint, but has some trouble finishing as he lacks the size (6' 1.75" in shoes but only a 6' 2.25" wingspan) and leaping ability to finish over decent college athletes so he must work on his floater / leaner game which he's showed at times but needs to continue to work on it.
He wasn't surrounded by much talent at Cleveland State so he draw a lot of attention from defenses and his quickness and overall speed should show even more in the wide open NBA game so I think he still has a chance to be a decent scorer at the next level.
I said I was falling in love with him a couple weeks ago then a backtracked at bit on that, but after watching actual game film on him and seeing how great he's defensively (he was always viewed as a good defender just didn't think he was this good) I'll admit I'm falling back in love.
He just fits perfectly as a back-up pg and the profile of the type of guard Rich Cho and the Blazers are looking for both in this draft and other players in general.
Has Patty Mills like speed. But is a PG that can run a team and play good D, even on the next level. Intangibles are off the charts and he plays both ends hard.
Trade up into the early 2nd / late 1st or use our 21st to trade down and snag this kid.
Just went back and watched Norris Cole vs. Butler in the Horizon League semis. The guy is just solid.
Speedy pg with good ball handling skills. Great shooting mechanics both spotting up and off the bounce. Didn't put up great shooting numbers, but improved every year in college and fully expect to be an above average shooter in NBA. Doesn't force much and is more than willing to get his teammates involved even though he's clearly Cleveland State's best player.
Great leader. Always encouraging teammates after good plays. Does a good job directing his teammates if there's any confusion in the half-court. Played football in high school (quarterback, and is the brother of Eagles DE Trent Cole) and shows that toughness when he plays, especially defensively where he has pit bull like mindset. He looked awesome on D overall, absolutely shutting down Shelvin Mack( I know that's not saying a ton but he's viewed as a legit NBA prospect). He is technically sound and has great lateral quicks and great hands. Forced at least 5 or so turnovers in this game. Is on the smallish side, but is a feisty, hard-nosed defender and showed that he does not back down from a match-up where he might be physically overmatched in some aspects.
Another thing I like is Cleveland State runs a pro style offense and plays man to man defense most of the time which I think is important when making the transition to the NBA.
It's hard to say how much of his scoring output at Cleveland State will translate. Like I said, his shot mechanics are great, but he was an inconsistent shooter in college (shot 85 from the line which could be a sign that he still has some untapped potential as a shooter). Can get into the paint, but has some trouble finishing as he lacks the size (6' 1.75" in shoes but only a 6' 2.25" wingspan) and leaping ability to finish over decent college athletes so he must work on his floater / leaner game which he's showed at times but needs to continue to work on it.
He wasn't surrounded by much talent at Cleveland State so he draw a lot of attention from defenses and his quickness and overall speed should show even more in the wide open NBA game so I think he still has a chance to be a decent scorer at the next level.
I said I was falling in love with him a couple weeks ago then a backtracked at bit on that, but after watching actual game film on him and seeing how great he's defensively (he was always viewed as a good defender just didn't think he was this good) I'll admit I'm falling back in love.
He just fits perfectly as a back-up pg and the profile of the type of guard Rich Cho and the Blazers are looking for both in this draft and other players in general.
Has Patty Mills like speed. But is a PG that can run a team and play good D, even on the next level. Intangibles are off the charts and he plays both ends hard.
Trade up into the early 2nd / late 1st or use our 21st to trade down and snag this kid.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2
The hickory-high system says his closest comparison is Eric Maynor.
Though, after seeing 5'9-ish" JJ Barea destroy the Lakers on both ends of the court I'm intrigued by UW's Isaiah Thomas.
The hickory-high system says his closest comparison is Eric Maynor.
Though, after seeing 5'9-ish" JJ Barea destroy the Lakers on both ends of the court I'm intrigued by UW's Isaiah Thomas.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2
Links at the upper left under "Navigation" are kind of interesting.
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=728
Links at the upper left under "Navigation" are kind of interesting.
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=728
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Rumors suggest that Reggie Jackson has a guarantee. I'd probably guess that it's from New York.
Rumors suggest that Reggie Jackson has a guarantee. I'd probably guess that it's from New York.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2
Nikola Vucevic || 20 years old || PF/C
6'11.75" || 260 lbs. || 7'4.5" wingspan || 9'4.5" standing reach
17.1 PPG || 10.3 RPG || 1.4 BPG || 50.5 fg%
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6'11.75" || 260 lbs. || 7'4.5" wingspan || 9'4.5" standing reach
17.1 PPG || 10.3 RPG || 1.4 BPG || 50.5 fg%
[video=youtube;eoQHkm6CkNk]
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Re: NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2
Guys I'm liking in this draft that I think are obtainable:
Alec Burks
Josh Selby
Tobias Harris
Jordan Williams
Reggie Jackson
2nd round that I'd like to take a flyer on:
Nolan Smith
Norris Cole
Singler
Meh, the rest of the batch looks like a bunch of bums.
Guys I'm liking in this draft that I think are obtainable:
Alec Burks
Josh Selby
Tobias Harris
Jordan Williams
Reggie Jackson
2nd round that I'd like to take a flyer on:
Nolan Smith
Norris Cole
Singler
Meh, the rest of the batch looks like a bunch of bums.
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Harris is a classic tweener SF/PF.
I don't know about you guys but I'm seriously over these combo guards/forwards.
Harris is a classic tweener SF/PF.
I don't know about you guys but I'm seriously over these combo guards/forwards.
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Harris has dropped from 15% body fat to 8% just since the season. He said he's gonna get it even lower. He's actually pretty skilled and deceptively athletic. He will be a SF in the league, and could easily develop a bench role on a good team, I think.
Harris has dropped from 15% body fat to 8% just since the season. He said he's gonna get it even lower. He's actually pretty skilled and deceptively athletic. He will be a SF in the league, and could easily develop a bench role on a good team, I think.
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I dont understand the term combo guards, forwards whatever. If you can play, you can play. Josh Smith a 3 or a 4? Shawn Marion a 3 or a 4?
I like Harris because he plays under control and is just always so smooth on the court.
I dont understand the term combo guards, forwards whatever. If you can play, you can play. Josh Smith a 3 or a 4? Shawn Marion a 3 or a 4?
I like Harris because he plays under control and is just always so smooth on the court.
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I'm of the opinion that the league has moved from where you can be good with a team of guys 6'3-to-6'10, to one where a few stars (no matter what position) can be great, to one where a stud PG and stud big man can have 3 wings of whatever size and be pretty great.
Which is why I'm much more worried about a CP3/Amare hookup than a Wade/James/Bosh 3-some. And I think that we have 1 big already that's close (LMA) and one that is close when healthy (in Oden) and we need the stud PG. If Matthews, Batum, Wallace, etc can get us that PG, then it's worth doing and then plugging in Fred Jones and Ime Udoka if that's all you can get.
I'm of the opinion that the league has moved from where you can be good with a team of guys 6'3-to-6'10, to one where a few stars (no matter what position) can be great, to one where a stud PG and stud big man can have 3 wings of whatever size and be pretty great.
Which is why I'm much more worried about a CP3/Amare hookup than a Wade/James/Bosh 3-some. And I think that we have 1 big already that's close (LMA) and one that is close when healthy (in Oden) and we need the stud PG. If Matthews, Batum, Wallace, etc can get us that PG, then it's worth doing and then plugging in Fred Jones and Ime Udoka if that's all you can get.
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Mike Miller's been trying this out for a few years. Doesn't quite work with white-guy bangs.
Kenneth Faried || 21 years old || PF
6'7.5" || 225 lbs || 7'0" wingspan || 9'0" standing reach
17.3 PPG || 14.5 RPG || 2.3 BPG || 62.3 FG%
“I have noticed that players do get intimidated because I swing my dreads and it sometimes hits them in the face,” said Faried, a graduate of Newark’s Technology High School and a forward from Morehead State. “A lot of NBA scouts say I can’t make post moves, so all I got to do is swing my hair and I can make some moves and go score the ball.”
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Mike Miller's been trying this out for a few years. Doesn't quite work with white-guy bangs.
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I'd love to see POR get another draft pick and pick up Benson. I like him better than any other big man C prospect outside of Kanter who looks like a top 5 pick...
I think a guy moving up the charts and now being mentioned in 1st round mocks is Charles Jenkins....Definitely a PG POR should be considering....
Good pick and roll player, shown ability to go 1v1 and has a mid range J game....all important aspects I think POR needs from a player right now....
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Charles-Jenkins-6189/
I'd love to see POR get another draft pick and pick up Benson. I like him better than any other big man C prospect outside of Kanter who looks like a top 5 pick...
I think a guy moving up the charts and now being mentioned in 1st round mocks is Charles Jenkins....Definitely a PG POR should be considering....
Good pick and roll player, shown ability to go 1v1 and has a mid range J game....all important aspects I think POR needs from a player right now....
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Charles-Jenkins-6189/
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Seriously, is there any chance they don't take Isiah Thomas with their second pick if he is available? First of all, he's from Washington and played for Washington, and he plays a position of need, 2 major sources of hard ons for this team.
Seriously, is there any chance they don't take Isiah Thomas with their second pick if he is available? First of all, he's from Washington and played for Washington, and he plays a position of need, 2 major sources of hard ons for this team.
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I'd prefer Vucevic to Benson, personally. Also wouldn't mind a second round flyer on one of Tyler or Dunigan, perhaps.
Have to admit to being more and more intrigued by Marshon brooks. I know we're loaded at the SG right now. Still. I definitely think there will some good players available, especially later, in this draft. Late first rounders that can definitely contribute for teams.
I actually find myself more intrigued by later guys than I do most of the lotto guys, outside of Irving, Knight and Kanter.
Jackson, Morris, Brooks, noguiera, McCamey, Dunigan, Tyler, Shumpert. Really like a lot of the late 1st and seconds. Not all that enamored with Morris twins, early euros, Williams, etc. I like that there are a good amount of late PGs that could easily be available. Similar to the 2009 draft, where were the top early PGs, Curry, Rubio, Flynn, Jennings, and then you had a good group later with Holiday, maynor, Lawson, and Collison.
I'd prefer Vucevic to Benson, personally. Also wouldn't mind a second round flyer on one of Tyler or Dunigan, perhaps.
Have to admit to being more and more intrigued by Marshon brooks. I know we're loaded at the SG right now. Still. I definitely think there will some good players available, especially later, in this draft. Late first rounders that can definitely contribute for teams.
I actually find myself more intrigued by later guys than I do most of the lotto guys, outside of Irving, Knight and Kanter.
Jackson, Morris, Brooks, noguiera, McCamey, Dunigan, Tyler, Shumpert. Really like a lot of the late 1st and seconds. Not all that enamored with Morris twins, early euros, Williams, etc. I like that there are a good amount of late PGs that could easily be available. Similar to the 2009 draft, where were the top early PGs, Curry, Rubio, Flynn, Jennings, and then you had a good group later with Holiday, maynor, Lawson, and Collison.
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I keep trying to tell people that even in the craptastically horrible 2000 draft, you still had around 20 decent NBA players. You're not going to get studs in this draft (or, you're going to have to pay a premium for a chance at one to develop from upside guys like Irving and Kanter and Williams), but there's a decent amount of depth of 5-10th man guys on the roster, and some projects (Tyler being one) that could pan out.
I keep trying to tell people that even in the craptastically horrible 2000 draft, you still had around 20 decent NBA players. You're not going to get studs in this draft (or, you're going to have to pay a premium for a chance at one to develop from upside guys like Irving and Kanter and Williams), but there's a decent amount of depth of 5-10th man guys on the roster, and some projects (Tyler being one) that could pan out.
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In no particular order, people who could've helped our team this year, or were considered "decent" players:
(Before you pooh-pooh them, may I remind you that for significant portions of the last two seasons we were giving minutes to Juwan Howard, Jeff Pendergraph, Dante Cunningham, and Patty Mills, and that signing Fab Oberto and Earl Barron were looked on as helping the team?)
K-Mart
Swift
Miles
Miller
Crawford
Przybilla
Hedo
Magloire
Mo Pete
D. Stevenson
Eddie House
Najera
Redd
Cardinal'
Jaric
Des Mason
Q-Rich
Etan Thomas
Look like I overestimated, though I'd say that 18 is "around" 20
As I said, though...I'm not going to claim 5 all-stars are coming out of this draft or an MVP candidate or anything...I'm saying that if you're looking to bolster your depth and stockpile some guys who can be 5-10th men on the team (which we are), there are some good choices around.
In no particular order, people who could've helped our team this year, or were considered "decent" players:
(Before you pooh-pooh them, may I remind you that for significant portions of the last two seasons we were giving minutes to Juwan Howard, Jeff Pendergraph, Dante Cunningham, and Patty Mills, and that signing Fab Oberto and Earl Barron were looked on as helping the team?)
K-Mart
Swift
Miles
Miller
Crawford
Przybilla
Hedo
Magloire
Mo Pete
D. Stevenson
Eddie House
Najera
Redd
Cardinal'
Jaric
Des Mason
Q-Rich
Etan Thomas
Look like I overestimated, though I'd say that 18 is "around" 20
As I said, though...I'm not going to claim 5 all-stars are coming out of this draft or an MVP candidate or anything...I'm saying that if you're looking to bolster your depth and stockpile some guys who can be 5-10th men on the team (which we are), there are some good choices around.
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I guess your definition of the word "decent" and mine differs quite a bit.
I guess your definition of the word "decent" and mine differs quite a bit.
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which player do you think couldn't have beat out 37y/o Juwan Howard or 23 y/o Patty Mills for PT?
I'll rephrase...if all you had to do was spend 3M and pick up 2000-era one of those players for 4 years, who wouldn't you take, b/c we already have a better player in that position?
PG: Jaric's really the only one, but he'd get run before Patty.
Wings: Stacked here, with Redd, Miller, Crawford, Mo Pete, House, Q-Rich, Des Mason, Hedo, Miles, Stevenson
Bigs: Magloire, Przy, K-Mart, Swift, Etan, Cardinal, Najera
which player do you think couldn't have beat out 37y/o Juwan Howard or 23 y/o Patty Mills for PT?
I'll rephrase...if all you had to do was spend 3M and pick up 2000-era one of those players for 4 years, who wouldn't you take, b/c we already have a better player in that position?
PG: Jaric's really the only one, but he'd get run before Patty.
Wings: Stacked here, with Redd, Miller, Crawford, Mo Pete, House, Q-Rich, Des Mason, Hedo, Miles, Stevenson
Bigs: Magloire, Przy, K-Mart, Swift, Etan, Cardinal, Najera
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DX just updated their mock and now have Portland selecting this guy. His stock is rising steadily since the combine.
DX just updated their mock and now have Portland selecting this guy. His stock is rising steadily since the combine.
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