NBA Draft Thread Vol. 2 (Merged)

[illmatic99]

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2011 NBA Draft Combine Shooting Drills Results

not sure if this deserves its own thread

anyhoo, very interesting, with the players knowing these results were going public, it was likely a high pressure drill, and holy crap andrew goudelock KILLED IT

some other standouts were marshawn brooks with 16/18 off the dribble jumpers, seems his mid range game is tight

Crazy. But, I'd be weary of giving this too much attention, especially after hearing about how Patternash went gaga over Marty going off in the pre-draft workout in 05.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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lol ^^^ my thoughts exactly, great minds think alike i guess

 

[VanillaGorilla]

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2011 NBA Draft Combine Shooting Drills Results

not sure if this deserves its own thread

anyhoo, very interesting, with the players knowing these results were going public, it was likely a high pressure drill, and holy crap andrew goudelock KILLED IT

some other standouts were marshawn brooks with 16/18 off the dribble jumpers, seems his mid range game is tight

Looks like Isaiah Thomas is improving his draft stock. His main concern (other than size) is his shooting. He was up near the top in all of the shooting drills.

 

[porkchopexpress]

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Looks like Isaiah Thomas is improving his draft stock. His main concern (other than size) is his shooting. He was up near the top in all of the shooting drills.

I wonder if he's been working with Ryan Appeby, who played at UW a couple years ago. I guess he worked with a bunch of the players last summer, which led to better shooting last season. Kid could stroke it. Too bad that is about all he could do.

Big surprise for me was Klay Thompson. Bottom 5 in the spot up three, for a supposed great shooter. That's going to hurt his stock.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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none of these results will really hurt their stocks that much id say, but this was probably the most pressure filled "practice" shooting they have ever done

a horrible showing like klay doesnt hurt as much because scouts have a million miles of film to watch

an unknown can really help himself though i guess by absolutely killing it

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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I've been high on Isaiah Thomas this past season. I think he can have a JJ Barea type of career.

Measuring a full 5'10.5" (opposed to 5'8"), testing the best overall athlete at the combine, he's an obvious upgrade over Patty.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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I've been high on Isaiah Thomas this past season. I think he can have a JJ Barea type of career.

Measuring a full 5'10.5" (opposed to 5'8"), testing the best overall athlete at the combine, he's an obvious upgrade over Patty.

its not a surprise that the smallest guy is the best athlete...id rather they went for a taller player, but thats just me...Darius Morris!

 

[RR7]

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its not a surprise that the smallest guy is the best athlete...id rather they went for a taller player, but thats just me...Darius Morris!

It's funny how similar in measurements he is to Nate Robinson. Just because they went to the same school. Minus 5 inches on the vertical. Damn. I wish his stock wouldn't climb. I don't hate him in the second round. Not a fan of him at 21.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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oh shit, no way at #21, but i wouldnt be opposed to buying a 2nd and nabbing him, see if he makes it out of camp

 

[glazeduck]

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Is 6'6 PG/athletic freak/lockdown defender Iman Shupert worth discussing? http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman-Shumpert-5156/

He's strong enough (18 bench reps - holy crap) and long enough (6'9 1/2 wingspan, 42 inch vert, 11' 9 1/2 max vert) to guard 2's OR PGs.

As an underclassman he played PG and mostly distributed but this past year they needed him to be a scorer so he has some experience doing that as well.

If Roy is Amnestied, Shumpert sounds like an intriguing player to potentially evolve into a similar role... His #s are, at the very least, intriguing.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Already owners of the No. 1 pick in the draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to sweeten their position by securing the second pick as well, according to league sources.

The Cavaliers are in discussions with the Minnesota Timberwolves and Detroit Pistons about a three-team trade that would give Cleveland the top two picks of next month's NBA draft.

The Cavaliers would use the picks to select Duke point guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams, the sources said.

LINK​

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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Yeah if was reading that correctly, the cavs are willing to pay 25 million dollars for the #8 pick?

 

[RR7]

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Yeah if was reading that correctly, the cavs are willing to pay 25 million dollars for the #8 pick?

They already did once, trading for Baron Davis and what was scheduled to be the 8th pick.

I'd happily offer Babbitt and Miller for Gordon and the 8th pick. They save more money on the deal. We'd be desperate for a PG, but could hope to re-sign Miller. And have Gordon be our Jason Terry. Career 40% 3 point shooter.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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Yeah but at least with trading for baron they are actually keeping him...PA has some competition in the money spending department apparently

 

[RR7]

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Yeah but at least with trading for baron they are actually keeping him...PA has some competition in the money spending department apparently

True. Although the last year of Rip's deal isn't fully guaranteed. Although, 9 of it is, so it's still 21-ish owed. If they can buy him out for slightly less than that, maybe give him 18 to go away, since he knows he can get close to MLE to go to somewhere like Chicago, and make up the difference. Then they still likely overpay, but starting a team from scratch, having Irving, and then a guy they presumably view as a leading scorer type in Williams is a good place to start at the 1 and 3. Varejao at the 5, Hickson the 4, Davis and Jamison providing veteran leadership. Or, used as further trade chips, who knows. It's a lot to spend. But worth it for them.

Another possibility for us, if the deal went through, is offering Batum for the 4th pick. If Kahn was interested last season, he might still be this season, in what is a weaker draft.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Is 6'6 PG/athletic freak/lockdown defender Iman Shupert worth discussing? http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman-Shumpert-5156/

He's strong enough (18 bench reps - holy crap) and long enough (6'9 1/2 wingspan, 42 inch vert, 11' 9 1/2 max vert) to guard 2's OR PGs.

As an underclassman he played PG and mostly distributed but this past year they needed him to be a scorer so he has some experience doing that as well.

If Roy is Amnestied, Shumpert sounds like an intriguing player to potentially evolve into a similar role... His #s are, at the very least, intriguing.

I can't really comment on him, because I don't recall ever watching him play, but based on his scouting reports he strikes me as having a very similar profile to Eliot Williams ... I guess there'd be nothing inherently wrong with having two combo guards who jump out of the gym, but that seems like a lot of replication in the tweener department.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Crespo claims he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain. The study involves taking x-rays of an adolescent's wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo's hand hadn't fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he's listed, as the wild speculation we've seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them."

-Draftexpress​

If he is truly 18 he's going to be a monster in a few years, he's already built like Ben Wallace.

 

[jaspitzer]

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KEMBA! We have pieces to move to get the 3 - 6 pick. I feel like it would be a good year to go against the grain and try to build through the draft. Also I think we need someone who can create their own shot.
I also like Marshon Brooks, Josh Selby, Reggie Jackson if we go for a big its gotta be Faried or bust!

no more euro stashers!

 

[MickZagger]

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I think we should trade up and try and snag Burks. Dude's going to be a stud, has star type potential and is so versatile. He made Colorado exciting this year. I dont care how many SG's we have, he might go down as the best player in this draft IMO.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Some would think after measuring 6'6" (w/o shoes) would hurt his stock but I think his freakish build and reach has helped Faried. For the sake of comparison:

6'7.5" Kenneth Faried:

No step vertical reach: 11'6.5"
Max vertical reach: 11'11"


6'11" Enes Kanter

No step vertical reach: 11'3.5"
Max vertical reach: 11'10"


6'11" DeMarcus Cousins:

No step vertical reach: 11'4.5"
Max vertical reach: 11'8.5"


6'11" Larry Sanders:

No step vertical reach: 11'5.5"
Max vertical reach: 11'8"

6'10" Jeff Pendergraph:

No step vertical reach: 11'6"
Max vertical reach: 11'10"

7'0" Joakim Noah:

No step vertical reach: 11'7"
Max vertical reach: 12'0"

6'10" Al Horford:

No step vertical reach: 11'6"
Max vertical reach: 11'10.5"

6'7" Paul Millsap:

No step vertical reach: 11'2"
Max vertical reach: 11'6"​

 

[Blaze01]

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hmm If POR traded with DET for Rip Hamilton and the #8 and offloaded a vet (Matthews?). That might be worth pursuing IMO....

a SF tandem of Wallace and Rip could be pretty good for a few years, Rip has what 2 years left? at big money. It also opens up POR to deal Batum or they could move him to SG, opens up starting SG to Roy, frees time for Rudy, unless they deal him for a pick which I suspect they will....

POR could take Burks at #8 then or Kemba Walker if he slipped, perhaps even steal Jimmer right out from under UTA nose.

I don't think returning Roy to the starting SG role is a good move, but if POR mgmt feels he is still a part of the future then this could be the way to go....

Hell maybe you dangle Batum and #21 to get another top 10 pick and get both Burks and Walker\Fredette, then deal Rudy to NY for the #17 and get your big man there, be it Faried or a guy I like Keith Benson, Lucas Noguiera or Jeremy Tyler.

PG Miller, Walker*, Johnson?
SG Roy, Burks*, Williams
SF Wallace, Hamilton, Babbitt
PF Aldridge, Johnson
C Camby, Oden, Benson*

Then in free agency go after a b\u PF with the MLE (Carl Landry, Kris Humphries, Rony Turiaf (if he opts), Troy Murphy, Glen Davis?, Kenyon Martin?) or bring over Freeland or resign Pendergraph.

b\u PF to me is a much easier position to address than C (especially since you shouldn't count on Oden's health), so IMO drafting a big man (C) would take preference over PF (all things being equal of course).

Or of course you could try a poison pill contract on a player like Marc Gasol and force MEM to match it, considering they have a lot tied up in Rudy gay & Zach Randolph already...
longshot but that strategy hurt UTA...or a guy like DeAndre Jordan, a little more risky, but would the Clippers match? Or try to go the FA route and go after Samuel Dalembert, Nenad Kristic, Jeff Foster or Spencer Hawes? and then draft a PF.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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I really like Faried. There are tons of needs across the roster, but a complimentary guy to play behind Aldridge would be a nice contrast in the front court.

 

[jaspitzer]

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[Fez Hammersticks]

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“We expect him to go within the first two picks,” Mike Naiditch, who represents Kanter along with Max Ergul, said Wednesday by phone. “We expect him to go in the top 2, maybe 3, but we don’t think he’s going to go past that.”

LINK

PG: Rubio
SG: TBD
SF: Johnson
PF: Love
C: Kanter

Not a bad start. Now only if they can get a real coach to develop this young talent.​

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Could He Be the Next Rodman?

Faried's parents, Kenneth Lewis and Waudda Faried, labored together to raise a diligent worker and a rebounding terror. During the height of the Phil Jackson-era Chicago Bulls, Kenneth Faried did not model his game after Michael Jordan's or Scottie Pippen's; he sought to emulate mercurial forward and rebounding king Dennis Rodman.

"My mother and father," Faried said, "they used to tell me to watch him and how he rebounds and how he attacks. He's not afraid of anybody. I watched how he had no fear."

"I told Kenneth not to listen to anyone saying you are too small," said Rodman, who, like Faried, hails from New Jersey, stands just under 6-8, and became a national star despite coming from a small college (Southeast Oklahoma State). He said he told Faried, "You need to know your role and think every rebound is yours and go after it that way.''

Rodman added: "Kenneth has a good motor that keeps going and that's what reminds me of [myself]."

LINK - Wall Street Journal​

 

[Run BJM]

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That's cool to read because it reminds me of watching Bulls games on national TV with my dad before the Warriors would come on and he'd always rave about Rodman more than MJ or Pippen too. He wasn't even a big basketball buff but I just remember he would harp on Rodman and how he rebounded, defended, got under other players' skin, had insane motor, etc. it made Rodman one of my favorite players growing up and even briefly made me a Lakers fan when he played with the Lakers. Never been a great bball player but to this day I'm always obsessed with rebounding and, if possible, getting under guys' skin.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Sources say Washington & Phoenix have been the most active teams trying to trade up for Derrick Williams. T'Wolves want a "veteran big man."

-DX

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Maybe there is a hidden trade proposal that hasn't made it to the press just yet, where Portland is willing to give up more than just Miller to acquire a new young point guard. It would seem in that scenario that their best trade chip would be Nicolas Batum(notes), a player that the Blazers should not even consider trading at this point in his career. If the option is to part with someone like Rudy Fernandez(notes) though, it is something that deserves stronger consideration.

If Portland is targeting Walker in the draft, then most projections state they will have to get into the top seven. Using that logic, it would also require one of those teams to actually need a point guard moving forward. That likely removes the Washington Wizards from the equation, because they have the No. 6 pick and John Wall(notes) already residing at the position.

LINK​

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

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Have to disagree with the blog quoted above; Andre Miller's main value may be as a money saver since a team receiving him in a draft day exchange could decline the team option for next year. So Washington might be interested but not just for that amount of savings, might require exchanging Camby's shorter contract for Rashard Lewis' longer contract.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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“There is a strong possibility that Enes could be the No. 1 overall pick. If it were my decision, Enes is who I would pick at No. 1. Here’s why: he can truly be a dominating kind of player; he can be a Karl Malone-type big man. As the league gets smaller (size-wise) his ability to dominate his position will grow. He’s got a position and a true size. If he doesn’t go No. 1 he will go shortly thereafter and the teams that passed on him will look back and wince at that decision. I’m biased because I love him, but I’m also talking in pragmatic terms.”

Calipari "Kanter the next Malone"​