OT NBA Finally Ready To Make Rule Change On Hack-A-Player

[Nikolokolus]

I think I could go for the "1 shot and the ball" rule. This would definitely tilt the advantage to the non-fouling team, but still penalize players that can't shoot for shit.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Okay, so just expand the current rule to include all 48 minutes, but if Jordan has the ball (or Plumlee or Howard, etc) then they are fair game IMO.

The last-two-minute rule allows anyone on the team to shoot a single free-throw, and then gives them side out, for any and all off-ball fouls. Do you really want teams getting an extra free throw every time someone pushes off on a rebound (for example)?

 

[Natebishop3]

The last-two-minute rule allows anyone on the team to shoot a single free-throw, and then gives them side out, for any and all off-ball fouls. Do you really want teams getting an extra free throw every time someone pushes off on a rebound (for example)?

If that's the case, that rule is stupid. It should only apply to intentional off the ball fouls. Not loose ball fouls.

 

[riverman]

He isn't forced but the rule to use it. He is using it because it is sometimes a legit chance to win and he wants to win. Like anyone would. You better believe that Rivers would foul DeAndre Jordan as well if he went to DAL.

Who am I to argue his point?...I do agree with it however..sure, coaches are all using the rule to advantage...he said that too but also mentioned it's not good basketball

 

[riverman]

I think I could go for the "1 shot and the ball" rule. This would definitely tilt the advantage to the non-fouling team, but still penalize players that can't shoot for shit.

now this is an interesting slant

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If that's the case, that rule is stupid. It should only apply to intentional off the ball fouls. Not loose ball fouls.

That gets back to Blue9's point about giving the refs more power to decide whether or not a foul is intentional. The more judgment we can eliminate from the officiating, the better. That's why I want a simple rule that is applicable to all situations, at all times, and is unambiguous.

• Shooting foul--free throws.
• On ball in penalty--free throws.
• Off ball in penalty--option of free throws or side out.
• Non-shooting not in penalty--side out

Clear, concise, simple, and solves the problem.

 

[Chris Craig]

Not the way you want to see the game played huh?

How about the sophisticated players that have learned to fool the refs with flop antics and the overall pussification of the game.

But Na, let's focus on hack an NBA player, the supposed best in the world, thst can't even score a free throw.

Maybe they should move the line in..

Yeah it should be a technical for a flop in game, not an assessed fine afterwards...these players make so much money they don't care about flopping fines...call them out, assess techs for it when it happens, that way it will happen far less, and it'll make for better games

Who cares about hacking, if a player sucks that bad at Fred throws its his fault...he can work on them and get better or else. The rule is basically to protect players like Deandre Jordan from embarrassing themselves.

 

[Chris Craig]

I think everything every foul should equal free throws so refs can't screw teams by calling only on the floor calls for them, and then not calling enough to get them to penalty.

 

[riverman]

Yeah it should be a technical for a flop in game, not an assessed fine afterwards...these players make so much money they don't care about flopping fines...call them out, assess techs for it when it happens, that way it will happen far less, and it'll make for better games

Who cares about hacking, if a player sucks that bad at Fred throws its his fault...he can work on them and get better or else. The rule is basically to protect players like Deandre Jordan from embarrassing themselves.

I disagree CC..it's not for Jordan..it's for the fans

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think everything every foul should equal free throws so refs can't screw teams by calling only on the floor calls for them, and then not calling enough to get them to penalty.

We don't want more free throws. Too much of the game is decided at the line as it is. Honestly, I have been disgusted by some of the calls Dame has been getting the past few games.

 

[Chris Craig]

I disagree CC..it's not for Jordan..it's for the fans

About which part flopping or hacking?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

About which part flopping or hacking?

Hacking. It breaks up the flow of the game and makes it unwatchable. Prospective TV viewers (and really, that's what it's all about these days) don't want to see marathon foul-shooting contests. They want to see teams actually running, passing, and shooting.

 

[barfo]

The solution is the following: NO fouls will be called during the last 2 minutes, except in the case of death.

barfo

 

[riverman]

The solution is the following: NO fouls will be called during the last 2 minutes, except in the case of death.

barfo

so death would be a flagrant 2....fine and 1 game suspension?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The solution is the following: NO fouls will be called during the last 2 minutes, except in the case of death.

barfo

Sounds like something a pirate would say.

 

[Chris Craig]

I disagree CC..it's not for Jordan..it's for the fans

How so...because it slows the game down...its not as fun to watch...I don't care about that...I'd give up a little more time to keep the rule...there is plenty of fast paced fun already, and its just at the end of quarters...I just down see what's bad about it.

 

[riverman]

How so...because it slows the game down...its not as fun to watch...I don't care about that...I'd give up a little more time to keep the rule...there is plenty of fast paced fun already, and its just at the end of quarters...I just down see what's bad about it.

This season...300 and change hacks before the allstar break...last season 150 or so all season..it's snowballing

 

[tlongII]

Do not change the rule. If you can't make free throws get outta here!

 

[Chris Craig]

That doesn't seem like that high a number with all the games there have been that probably averages about what 10 a game...

 

[BlazerWookee]

That gets back to Blue9's point about giving the refs more power to decide whether or not a foul is intentional. The more judgment we can eliminate from the officiating, the better. That's why I want a simple rule that is applicable to all situations, at all times, and is unambiguous.

• Shooting foul--free throws.
• On ball in penalty--free throws.
• Off ball in penalty--option of free throws or side out.
• Non-shooting not in penalty--side out

Clear, concise, simple, and solves the problem.

It doesn't solve the problem, because the problem is the player's inability to hit free throws, not the intentional fouls.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Make it some sort of intentional foul. One shot and possession. No one would risk those odds.

My feeling exactly. I HATE when the last 2 minutes of a game turn into a 30 minute parade to the FT line.

You can say "make your FTs", but I say "play clean defense". Intentional rule violations should not be rewarded.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It doesn't solve the problem, because the problem is the player's inability to hit free throws, not the intentional fouls.

The problem is that the penalty for fouling--you know, the actual violation of the rules--is no longer sufficient to prevent teams from benefiting from that rule violation. I like to see the game played as intended. Free throws were supposed to be a penalty, not an objective.

 

[riverman]

This is an interesting topic....the fact is that these changes will become accepted and folks will move on if they implement them. In tennis challenging a line call has really improved the game with super efficient replay...takes a split second to rule on it. Better than John McEnroe screaming at a line judge for 10 minutes like the old days....in football, it's backfired for me...they seem to review every frickin' call and the refs are on the screen more than the quarterback.

 

[Chris Craig]

This is an interesting topic....the fact is that these changes will become accepted and folks will move on if they implement them. In tennis challenging a line call has really improved the game with super efficient replay...takes a split second to rule on it. Better than John McEnroe screaming at a line judge for 10 minutes like the old days....in football, it's backfired for me...they seem to review every frickin' call and the refs are on the screen more than the quarterback.

The refs definetly need to let teams play more...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The refs definetly need to let teams play more...

Agreed. "Contact" that doesn't result in an advantage shouldn't be called. Shooters shouldn't be able to draw fouls when they initiate the contact. And the ones that really drive me nuts are when two bigs are pushing against each other for position, and then one just throws himself to the side to draw the loose-ball foul.

 

[tlongII]

The problem is that the penalty for fouling--you know, the actual violation of the rules--is no longer sufficient to prevent teams from benefiting from that rule violation. I like to see the game played as intended. Free throws were supposed to be a penalty, not an objective.

They are benefitting from the opponent's inability to shoot free throws which is a skill that all NBA players should be proficient at.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

They are benefitting from the opponent's inability to shoot free throws which is a skill that all NBA players should be proficient at.

Yes. They break the rules, and benefit. You can elaborate all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they break the rules, and then benefit from doing so.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The question to ask yourself is: Is the game of basketball as a whole better when there are more fouls and free throws or fewer?

 

[dviss1]

At the same time the NBA should move back the free throw line to 12ft. The NFL moved back the extra point line and it did make the game more exciting.

Why move it closer? Lol

The key, for the NBA it is 16 feet (4.9 m) wide, for the NCAA it is 12 feet (3.7 m) wide; for both instances it extends 15 feet (4.6 m) from the backboard.

 

[dviss1]

The counter would be that teams would look to have the ball in their better free throw shooters hands at crunch time..they wouldn't get bailed out by a bear hug at half court foul against a guy who sucks at the line. Great players throughout history have sucked at the line....that's not changing. Coaches need their best defenders on the court and it's a risk they need to take...offense for defense...they do it all the time subbing shooters for rebounders

This already occurs. Hack a whoever is an off ball foul.