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I also believe Orlando might be a trade partner. Started off strong but offense suffering. These guys suggest Simons to Orlando but no suggestions who will come back.

  1. The Orlando Magic don't have a major motivation to reach for the fast-forward button. Their top two players are 22 and under—Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner—and have time remaining on their rookie-scale contracts. Their front office could conclude this roster isn't ready for an all-in type of transaction, especially with the way things have stalled of late (6-12 since their 16-7 sprint out of the starting gate).

    Then again, Orlando's third-ranked defense certainly appears playoff-ready. Its 24th-ranked offense obviously isn't there, but that might be something this club can correct on the trade market. After all, this club has everything needed to broker a blockbuster with more draft picks than they can use, more prospects than they can develop and enough mid-sized salaries to make the money work in almost any kind of deal.

    Why not try accelerating the rebuild with Anfernee Simons? He is young enough to grow with Orlando's core but might have too much overlap to coexist with Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe in Portland. The Trail Blazers have barely started their post-Damian Lillard rebuild, and it might be easier to navigate without owing the 24-year-old Simons $77.7 million for this season and the next two.

    The Blazers may not see Simons as expendable, per se, but he hardly feels untouchable. If he is up for grabs, the Magic might put a massive offer on the table. He is the high-volume perimeter shot-creator they desperately need, and his ability to play off the ball (43.6 catch-and-shoot three-point percentage on the league's least productive passing offense) means he wouldn't block the on-ball developmental paths of Banchero and Wagner.

    Simons' shooting, shot-making and secondary creation would all fill needs in Orlando and perhaps position the Magic to cement a top-six seed and give this young core its first taste of playoff basketball. Plus, they could keep him around for at least two more seasons, ideally continuing to climb the Eastern Conference ladder as he and they improve.
 
Simons makes a ton of sense for Orlando. Great scoring option alongside Banchero and Wagner. Suggs is a solid defender alongside him. And they have assets they can burn
 
RR7 said:
Isn't a 6'8" PF with a lot of energy exactly what Jabari is for us?
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I admit I did not see the updated roster for the Blazers. The last time I checked (about a month ago) They still had Walker listed at around 200 lbs. Maybe they changed it earlier and it was a caching issue on my end, but I even questioned it on this board. Now they have him listed at 227. That is a big difference IMO.

Either way, I was not suggesting he play over Walker because I am a big Jabari fan. But if we really have to trade Brogdon, and I actually would prefer we didn't as long as he is happy here, then I would rather add the 243 Achiuwa to the roster than a late-round draft pick that many have suggested.

Edit: yeah I am definitely seeing updated weights on the the Blazer.com roster.
Scoot is now 202 and Simons is now listed at 193
 
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UKRAINEFAN said:
I also believe Orlando might be a trade partner. Started off strong but offense suffering. These guys suggest Simons to Orlando but no suggestions who will come back.

  1. The Orlando Magic don't have a major motivation to reach for the fast-forward button. Their top two players are 22 and under—Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner—and have time remaining on their rookie-scale contracts. Their front office could conclude this roster isn't ready for an all-in type of transaction, especially with the way things have stalled of late (6-12 since their 16-7 sprint out of the starting gate).

    Then again, Orlando's third-ranked defense certainly appears playoff-ready. Its 24th-ranked offense obviously isn't there, but that might be something this club can correct on the trade market. After all, this club has everything needed to broker a blockbuster with more draft picks than they can use, more prospects than they can develop and enough mid-sized salaries to make the money work in almost any kind of deal.

    Why not try accelerating the rebuild with Anfernee Simons? He is young enough to grow with Orlando's core but might have too much overlap to coexist with Scoot Henderson and Shaedon Sharpe in Portland. The Trail Blazers have barely started their post-Damian Lillard rebuild, and it might be easier to navigate without owing the 24-year-old Simons $77.7 million for this season and the next two.

    The Blazers may not see Simons as expendable, per se, but he hardly feels untouchable. If he is up for grabs, the Magic might put a massive offer on the table. He is the high-volume perimeter shot-creator they desperately need, and his ability to play off the ball (43.6 catch-and-shoot three-point percentage on the league's least productive passing offense) means he wouldn't block the on-ball developmental paths of Banchero and Wagner.

    Simons' shooting, shot-making and secondary creation would all fill needs in Orlando and perhaps position the Magic to cement a top-six seed and give this young core its first taste of playoff basketball. Plus, they could keep him around for at least two more seasons, ideally continuing to climb the Eastern Conference ladder as he and they improve.
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One version I saw in a article pushing Ant to Orlando had Franz Wagner coming back. Basically said if you want a good scoring Guard to compliment Banchero, would have to give someone like Wagner up. I would be okay with that trade. Obviously would have to be other parts but I think Wagner would fit in well with the young guys.
 
twobullz said:
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One version I saw in an article pushing Ant to Orlando had Franz Wagner coming back. Basically said if you want a good scoring Guard to compliment Banchero, would have to give someone like Wagner up. I would be okay with that trade. Obviously would have to be other parts but I think Wagner would fit in well with the young guys.
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Well, I have been pushing for Wagner since before the draft, so yeah I would do that. But Orlando should not move him, nor will they.
 
illmatic99 said:
i dont think this FO has any appetite to move Ant. He is the insurance they have in case Scoot fails to improve.
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Truth is small guards are dime a dozen. Even if Scoot fails, it won't be impossible to finding his replacement. It also seems that we've conceded that Ant can't be a point guard, so trading Ant is more about freeing Shae. I would do Ant for Franz in a heartbeat. I do think Ant in Orlando with Paolo creating would look nice.
 
AmirIcon said:
Truth is small guards are dime a dozen. Even if Scoot fails, it won't be impossible to finding his replacement. It also seems that we've conceded that Ant can't be a point guard, so trading Ant is more about freeing Shae. I would do Ant for Franz in a heartbeat. I do think Ant in Orlando with Paolo creating would look nice.
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franz has way more value than ant. Even if we attached 3 picks to ant they would say no.
 
AmirIcon said:
Truth is small guards are dime a dozen. Even if Scoot fails, it won't be impossible to finding his replacement. It also seems that we've conceded that Ant can't be a point guard, so trading Ant is more about freeing Shae. I would do Ant for Franz in a heartbeat. I do think Ant in Orlando with Paolo creating would look nice.
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who has conceded that Ant isn't a PG? did Billups say something?

If people DON'T consider Ant for Franz, they're idiots. Orlando would not do that in a million years.
 
“The Pelicans are thought to be open to moving Herbert Jones. They're high on Jones, but it'll be difficult for the team to pay their stars, Jones and Trey Murphy III.”
h/t Matt Moore
 
illmatic99 said:
who has conceded that Ant isn't a PG? did Billups say something?

If people DON'T consider Ant for Franz, they're idiots. Orlando would not do that in a million years.
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yeah, from what I've seen, Ant is better at PG. At least he is offensively. Similar to CJ in that regard. The numbers at 82games support that notion. They also show that Ant is worse defensively at PG and that makes sense because Ant consistently gets beat by quickness; his lateral reactions are poor

and yes, Orlando would never consider trading Wagner for Ant. Wagner has much higher value. They might consider Wendall Carter Jr. + filler for Ant; not sure they'd add much draft capital to the deal though
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Simons to Orlando for Wendal Carter Jr +Gary Harris?
 
wizenheimer said:
Blazers are 4-15 with Ant; they are 8-14 without him. There was plenty of evidence that Dame made his team, and teammates better. There is no evidence that Ant does

and yes, I know there could be a lot of factors at work in those with/without numbers, but a half season is a pretty solid sample size
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Agreed. I'd prefer to keep Brogdon and trade Ant. Brogdon has a complete game whereas Ant is a shooter. Yes, he has the rare high assist game but overall, the team seems to function better with him off the court.
 
illmatic99 said:
who has conceded that Ant isn't a PG? did Billups say something?

If people DON'T consider Ant for Franz, they're idiots. Orlando would not do that in a million years.
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When is the last time Ant started at PG? Yeah, Orlando ain't giving up Franz for Ant. I would look at teams like Houston and Detroit who want to get better and have a slew of lottery talent. If you wanted Ausar Thompson and change I think you could get it for Ant.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I would move him since I don’t think he’ll ever be healthy. Unfortunate given what he brings when he can actually play.
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Its pretty well established thats his MO. I don't think his value has changed much since aquisition.
 
It's always funny to see different valuations across the league. An Orlando fan on the realgm board proposed Ayton and Simons for WCJ, expirings(Fultz, Harris, Isaac) Denver 1st and Orlando 1st both in '25. And here were lucky if we can get WCJ for Simons
 
RR7 said:
It's always funny to see different valuations across the league. An Orlando fan on the realgm board proposed Ayton and Simons for WCJ, expirings(Fultz, Harris, Isaac) Denver 1st and Orlando 1st both in '25. And here were lucky if we can get WCJ for Simons
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Let's not misrepresent the biased views of one poster as "we."
 
Stein also mentioned that the Blazers have no desire to move Grant. So either this is some great posturing, or they're really waiting to be blown away.
 
I think Grant is one of the hottest players now available. Joe is posturing imho.
 
I'd be all for moving Grant if we realistically thin kwe can get Flagg in 2025.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'd be all for moving Grant if we realistically thin kwe can get Flagg in 2025.
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Getting an unprotected 1st in 2025 or 2026 would be pretty huge. I just don't know anyone that's willing to give that besides a title contender.
 
B-Roy said:
Getting an unprotected 1st in 2025 or 2026 would be pretty huge. I just don't know anyone that's willing to give that besides a title contender.
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But what good is an unprotected 1st if you have Luka, Kyrie, Grant and others on the team? It'll just end up being late teens/mid 20s.
 
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