Exclusive NBA Trade Deadline Thread 2024

[Pinwheel1]

But what good is an unprotected 1st if you have Luka, Kyrie, Grant and others on the team? It'll just end up being late teens/mid 20s.

I think a lot of fans just want multiple first-round picks so the Blazers can be ready in a couple of years if by chance a team wants to dump a star player in order to rebuild. At which point an ending contract and multiple picks might be attractive. Seems like a long shot to me, but it is not a horrible strategy. Where those picks land is still important, but not as important to us.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I think a lot of fans just want multiple first-round picks so the Blazers can be ready in a couple of years if by chance a team wants to dump a star player in order to rebuild. At which point an ending contract and multiple picks might be attractive. Seems like a long shot to me, but it is not a horrible strategy. Where those picks land is still important, but not as important to us.

Oh, no I understand. But the notion for a pick to be unprotected isn't necessarily as good as a protected pick. It's an over generalization. An unprotected pick by Dallas is not as valuable as a top 3 protected pick by Detroit. That was my only quibble. I happen to think it's a pretty good strategy. It's no more of a long shot than keeping Jerami Grant or Anfernee Simons and expecting to excel with the current makeup of the team.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I happen to think it's a pretty good strategy. It's no more of a long shot than keeping Jerami Grant or Anfernee Simons and expecting to excel with the current makeup of the team.

That is where we differ. It seems like a pretty big long shot in my opinion. I do think it is worth trying, but I don't think we should necessarily trade away a good player just to get more picks. We can't bank on it working out. The number of really good players that become available because of a rebuild is small. Plus the player we are willing to overpay for (3-5 firsts) has to play a position of need.

Plus you still need to keep a high-priced vet or two on the roster to match the incoming star's salary. So I would keep Grant for that reason and also because he is not a duplication for our current roster.

I can see a case for moving either Simons or Brogdon. But certainly not both. I can also see the case for not trading anyone because Scoot is not ready and I am fine with our young players progressing while coming off the bench. But after the draft we have to make some moves.

PG: Brogdon-Scoot
SG: Ant-Sharpe-Thybulle
SF: Grant-Murray-Rupert (first-round pick)
PF: Walker-Camara (first-round pick)
C: Ayton-Reath-Williams- (or Brown or Badji)

 

[MickZagger]

I’m hearing Brogdon to the Knicks

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I’m hearing Brogdon to the Knicks

For Grimes?

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Terry Rozier to the Heat for Lowry and a pick.

 

[blazerkor]

For Grimes?

I would think for Fournier who we would buy out and a FRP.

 

[illmatic99]

I’m hearing Brogdon to the Knicks

not according to the knicks beat writer.

 

[andalusian]

Terry Rozier to the Heat for Lowry and a pick.

That's a good trade for Miami. Between Boston, Miami and Philli - Dame might not get the ring he so very much wants.

 

[ant]

Hopefully Miami improving will push Indy, Orlando, and NY to feel like they need to make a move to keep up. We have someone for everyone!

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[RR7]

We currently have an 8.3 million dollar TPE, and an 8.7 one as well. The 8.3 expires on the 8th of February.

I really doubt we use either by themselves in a deal, because, well, it seems like we never do. However, figured it'd be fun to look anyways, with the new financial landscape in the league, and the 2nd apron stuff.

Currently, we are 5.4 million under the LT, and you can bet we're very unlikely to go over that. There's currently 9 tax paying teams. I believe there are 7 above the 1st apron, and 5 above the 2nd apron.

I'm wondering if there's a way for us to extract a small amount of value by using our TPEs to get teams out of the tax, or below an apron.

Some examples:

Philly is currently 4.286 million over the tax. Korkmaz makes 5.37 expiring. House makes 4.3 expiring. They're not gonna trade a 1st round pick to save ~6 million dollars, but maybe:



We get Martin, who some here liked, for getting Philly out of the tax, we get an additional 2nd this year( I think Toronto's, by the wording), and then (I know I screwed up what the protections are), currently Philly has the right to swap their 2029 pick with LAC. We currently have our pick, Milwaukee's pick, and Boston's pick in that draft. This deal gives us the right to swap any of our picks with the better of Philly or LAC's pick.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm ready to move on from Ayton. Can't stand this mentality.



dude had all the chance to prove he's actually worth his contract here but instead opted to get paid and go home. Don't want this attitude rubbing off on the youngins.

 

[HansenYang]

We currently have an 8.3 million dollar TPE, and an 8.7 one as well. The 8.3 expires on the 8th of February.

I really doubt we use either by themselves in a deal, because, well, it seems like we never do. However, figured it'd be fun to look anyways, with the new financial landscape in the league, and the 2nd apron stuff.

Currently, we are 5.4 million under the LT, and you can bet we're very unlikely to go over that. There's currently 9 tax paying teams. I believe there are 7 above the 1st apron, and 5 above the 2nd apron.

I'm wondering if there's a way for us to extract a small amount of value by using our TPEs to get teams out of the tax, or below an apron.

Some examples:

Philly is currently 4.286 million over the tax. Korkmaz makes 5.37 expiring. House makes 4.3 expiring. They're not gonna trade a 1st round pick to save ~6 million dollars, but maybe:

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We get Martin, who some here liked, for getting Philly out of the tax, we get an additional 2nd this year( I think Toronto's, by the wording), and then (I know I screwed up what the protections are), currently Philly has the right to swap their 2029 pick with LAC. We currently have our pick, Milwaukee's pick, and Boston's pick in that draft. This deal gives us the right to swap any of our picks with the better of Philly or LAC's pick.

This puts Portland INTO the tax, which is not going to happen.

 

[RR7]

This puts Portland INTO the tax, which is not going to happen.

Yeah, sorry, got pulled away, was gonna say this only works if we do like a Brogdon-Fournier swap that gets us more breathing room under the tax.

 

[B-Roy]

I'm ready to move on from Ayton. Can't stand this mentality.



dude had all the chance to prove he's actually worth his contract here but instead opted to get paid and go home. Don't want this attitude rubbing off on the youngins.

Stuck

With

Him

Sigh

He's also got a worse TS% than Nurkic. Holy hell.

 

[andalusian]

This puts Portland INTO the tax, which is not going to happen.

Unless there is a trade where more salary is going out than coming in before it.

EDIT: oops. see RR7 beat me to it.

 

[B-Roy]

This is interesting especially with Haynes yesterday.

But I listened to that podcast and Haynes said "teams were trying to get Rob Williams ON THE CHEAP". I don't know what that means but I wouldn't be dumping him for a few seconds or something. At least get a protected 1st.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I am sorry but that Ayton comment makes me want to trade him for pennies on the dollar at this point cause he does not get it and not sure he ever will

 

[BigGameDamian]

I'm ready to move on from Ayton. Can't stand this mentality.



dude had all the chance to prove he's actually worth his contract here but instead opted to get paid and go home. Don't want this attitude rubbing off on the youngins.

Sounds like a CTC type of player.

 

[wizenheimer]

I really have a hard time understanding how boneheaded the Blazers were about C's this summer

after all of their history, more than any other team, they should have known what a bad gamble it was to trade for a big with an extensive injury history. They ignored the lessons learned and rolled the dice with Timelord...and it predictably came up snake eyes

and with the degeneration of value of C's over the last 10 years, and with all of the flashing amber and red lights about Ayton, flashing even brighter because of his contract, the Blazers went ahead and traded for Ayton and his albatross contract...another roll of the dice that looks like it came up snake-eyes

making it worse is they took both of these gambles in the same off-season

 

[blazerkor]

I really have a hard time understanding how boneheaded the Blazers were about C's this summer

after all of their history, more than any other team, they should have known what a bad gamble it was to trade for a big with an extensive injury history. They ignored the lessons learned and rolled the dice with Timelord...and it predictably came up snake eyes

and with the degeneration of value of C's over the last 10 years, and with all of the flashing amber and red lights about Ayton, flashing even brighter because of his contract, the Blazers went ahead and traded for Ayton and his albatross contract...another roll of the dice that looks like it came up snake-eyes

making it worse is they took both of these gambles in the same off-season

Maybe someone pays us a little something to have a chance to get a healthy Rob Will next season which would get us out of that.

I'm not as down on Deandre as others are. He's super talented and is playing on a team that puts him in bad positions defensively and doesn't always use his strengths on offense. That being said if I could get positive value for him and get out from under his contract I probably would.

The Knicks need an upgrade at C now that Robinson is out. Maybe they throw in a sweetener with Fournier and Robinson to get Ayton.

 

[B-Roy]

I really have a hard time understanding how boneheaded the Blazers were about C's this summer

after all of their history, more than any other team, they should have known what a bad gamble it was to trade for a big with an extensive injury history. They ignored the lessons learned and rolled the dice with Timelord...and it predictably came up snake eyes

and with the degeneration of value of C's over the last 10 years, and with all of the flashing amber and red lights about Ayton, flashing even brighter because of his contract, the Blazers went ahead and traded for Ayton and his albatross contract...another roll of the dice that looks like it came up snake-eyes

making it worse is they took both of these gambles in the same off-season

The Williams contract is small enough that it was worth the gamble. You can argue they should have tried to move him immediately after getting him, I won't argue that, but at worst it expires in two years and it's cheap enough to just be used as filler.

The Ayton move is rough. Says a lot when the most productive center they have on the roster is a 2-way guy when you have another center on a MAX contract.

 

[illmatic99]

This is interesting especially with Haynes yesterday.

But I listened to that podcast and Haynes said "teams were trying to get Rob Williams ON THE CHEAP". I don't know what that means but I wouldn't be dumping him for a few seconds or something. At least get a protected 1st.

id rather keep Rob over Ayton.

 

[Mr. Robot]

I'm ready to move on from Ayton. Can't stand this mentality.



dude had all the chance to prove he's actually worth his contract here but instead opted to get paid and go home. Don't want this attitude rubbing off on the youngins.

nurk at least has valid excuse for not being the same player he was pre-leg break, what excuse does ayton have

nurk was 16th pick and on his way to becoming an all-star caliber center, ayton was 1st pick that never lived to expectations

apparently, ayton said his goal is to get to the 2nd contract when he got drafted (that shouldve been a sign)

 

[BIG Q]

I was fine with Ayton because I think at some point he will put it together. Also, there is a salary floor and Portland needs to pay someone, especially with many on this board wanting to trade players such as Grant, Brogdon, Ant and Thybulle. I would like to see some moved. Scoot and Sharpe need playing time and Portland needs losses for ping pong balls. They will figure it out and hopefully get a couple studs in the next draft or two like OKC has.

 

[illmatic99]

I was fine with Ayton because I think at some point he will put it together. Also, there is a salary floor and Portland needs to pay someone, especially with many on this board wanting to trade players such as Grant, Brogdon, Ant and Thybulle. I would like to see some moved. Scoot and Sharpe need playing time and Portland needs losses for ping pong balls. They will figure it out and hopefully get a couple studs in the next draft or two like OKC has.

The idea was fine. He had shown enough flashes to warrant a flyer. And as you said, he didn't hurt us financially. If we can find a taker for him in the next year or so without attaching assets, I want to explore every avenue to move him. I suggested a 1 for 1 for Ben Simmons earlier as they have nearly identical contracts. Simmons has one fewer year left on his deal but comes with more injury concerns. I'd honestly prefer that.

Only hangup of course is if BK sees Ayton as an upgrade over Nic Claxton.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I’m sure Suns fans are laughing at us now.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

That is where we differ. It seems like a pretty big long shot in my opinion. I do think it is worth trying, but I don't think we should necessarily trade away a good player just to get more picks. We can't bank on it working out. The number of really good players that become available because of a rebuild is small. Plus the player we are willing to overpay for (3-5 firsts) has to play a position of need.

Plus you still need to keep a high-priced vet or two on the roster to match the incoming star's salary. So I would keep Grant for that reason and also because he is not a duplication for our current roster.

I can see a case for moving either Simons or Brogdon. But certainly not both. I can also see the case for not trading anyone because Scoot is not ready and I am fine with our young players progressing while coming off the bench. But after the draft we have to make some moves.

PG: Brogdon-Scoot
SG: Ant-Sharpe-Thybulle
SF: Grant-Murray-Rupert (first-round pick)
PF: Walker-Camara (first-round pick)
C: Ayton-Reath-Williams- (or Brown or Badji)

It's a long shot now keeping them. Their value is depreciating as we speak sans Ant. The success and failure of this franchise rides on the back of Shaedon Sharpe and Scoot Henderson. For better or for worse. Nothing Ant or Jerami do can change that. Thrust them in the position where they're made to take full responsibility to figure out if they're going to be those guys sooner rather than later. The deferring that Scoot and Shae have been doing all season doesn't help anything. Cash those vets in and get picks. If Scoot and Shae hit then you have a slew of picks to improve the team. Something we didn't really have under Dame.

 

[RR7]

Am sure this account is probably garbage, but whatever...