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[TBpup]

So what you are saying is Players decided to do this knowing it will effect their future paychecks. I would think that is the point really. They don't care. They are done with the injustice.

Growing up, I had an 'uncle' from Chicago. He was a very high ranking official and on visits to the West coast, would share some of the issues that Chicago struggled with even back then. The crime and violence has increasingly become worse and black people and minorities suffer the most from this. Yet there is so little awareness or outrage for so many and so much outrage for singular horrible events elsewhere.

This was from an article last year in November.

"Through the end of October, there have been 2,242 shooting victims and 424 murders in Chicago. Last year, we had 2,462 shooting victims and 478 murders over the same period." https://nypost.com/2019/11/09/chicagos-crime-proves-black-lives-dont-matter-to-democrats/

Where is the outcry for these poor people weekend after weekend? They are suffering, live in constant fear in parts of the city, and are dying or having their lives torn apart from injury by the thousands. Black lives have always mattered but sadly, there seems to be a very selective reaction to their plight by the media or those in the spotlight.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So sure... Lets just go all facebook fake news and throw "Child Rapist" in there because someone told someone else and of course because my friends aunt who doesn't know anything is sure she read it somewhere so it must be true.
If you can't confirm that? Why did you go there? To make your point? Because why? It's called systemic RACISM bro. Try to figure that out.

I'm not defending the allegations, but it looks like what happened is that the child rapist stuff came from a mix up of state laws. In Rhode Island (and I assume other states that is just the example I read about), the warrants matched up with that of a child crime, in Wisconsin they don't.
We know though that he was in Wisconsin and had warrants out for his arrest. It doesn't appear like it had anything to do with a child though.
I can't speak to if that was done purposefully to smear the victim or was simply someone not knowing, I'm sure there will be those who plant a stake on one of those hills.

 

[Propagandist]

Applicable here

I reread the entire thread to see if anyone had made this point. Because isn't this the main point? We live in a country where there is a process in place to deal with criminals. Is anyone be okay with our police being judge, jury, and executioner with NO due process? Because that is what keeps happening disproportionally when they encounter black men.

I think it is safe to say the majority people being placed under arrest are not role models. But is it really about if you'd trust George Floyd with your wallet or Jacob Blake to be your babysitter? Those are character assessments. Why do people keep saying these things unless they are said as an aside? I find it offensive that people act like this information is even pertinent.

 

[Natebishop3]

If that's true, that goes a long way in pointing out a major problem in this world with systemic racism.

Yeah, but there are zero billionaires in my home

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I made a joke about this initially and was judged pretty harshly by it. Shows alot about ME...I was told.....

What a crock of Sh..

I'm a minority so I can say these things. As an evil white, you aren't allowed to.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm a minority so I can say these things. As an evil white, you aren't allowed to.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I love Negronis

 

[Orion Bailey]

I reread the entire thread to see if anyone had made this point. Because isn't this the main point? We live in a country where there is a process in place to deal with criminals. Is anyone be okay with our police being judge, jury, and executioner with NO due process? Because that is what keeps happening disproportionally when they encounter black men.

I think it is safe to say the majority people being placed under arrest are not role models. But is it really about if you'd trust George Floyd with your wallet or Jacob Blake to be your babysitter? Those are character assessments. Why do people keep saying these things unless they are said as an aside? I find it offensive that people act like this information is even pertinent.

When does the cops safety come into play? When is it more than just committing a crime but open defiance of requested obedience by law enforcement? When does it go from a cop killing to a cop defending him self in a way that prevents the accused of reaching for a deadly weapon?

IM asking honestly. Should the cops be forced to wait until thew accused has a weapon turned on them? Of which case puts the cops life in danger? When is it acceptable for cops to take preventive measures that prevent their life form being put in a life and death situation?

IM honestly asking, not saying what is right and what is wrong. I just think that is is not good to set a clear definition, or it will always be grey and confusing to both law enforcement officials and the public.

Now I know each incident is its own situation, but it seems like no matter the situation, the cops are wrong for pulling a trigger, even when they feel the life is threatened. So when IS it acceptable for a cop to use deadly force in order to prevent himself room becoming dead?

When is the responsibility of this victim held accountable for forcing the decision on the officer rather than simply being compliant?

Officers are being put in a no win situation and im sorry, but IF I was this cop, I could see how he thought it was him or the victim, the moment he started getting in the car and reaching, so I personally feel a shot was acceptable. Not 7. It was way overkill, However I do not think the cop was wrong in puling the trigger the first time. He has the right and needs to be able to defend himself from a disobedient law breaker.

I mean really in today's world, I ask again , ,where is the common sense in not following the requests of the officers with all thats going on? How can anyone rationalize this victim not being obedient? If cops are not trusted, the last thing I would want ot do is be non compliant, giving the cops an option.


This must be talked about or racism will never end. All parties must be held accountable.

 

[Eli Vance]

I guess standing up for thugs only lasts one day (although if the criminals were causing havoc around their mansions and gated communities they might have a different attitude all together). At least they still get to keep the Marxist propaganda all over the place and cater to communists halfway across the globe. We need more politics in sports. One thing we can't have is a place where everyone of all races can come together and enjoy some leisure time and fun.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I guess standing up for thugs only lasts one day (although if the criminals were causing havoc around their mansions and gated communities they might have a different attitude all together). At least they still get to keep the Marxist propaganda all over the place and cater to communists halfway across the globe. We need more politics in sports. One thing we can't have is a place where everyone of all races can come together and enjoy some leisure time and fun.

Wow, someone speaks fluent Tucker Carlson

 

[Lanny]

Even more so this is a domestic issue. Once there are two people who were once a couple pressing charges against each other you end up with a very messy situation. How many times has he driven that car? Does he make the payments for that car? Was there prior arrangements for him to use that car so he could take his children somewhere? Did the woman involved then change the deal and decide to coerce him into some other deal? What exactly is "touching her sexually without consent"? Can they confirm this? Is she saying he tried to rape her?

Also why would you say "Seems like not a good dude"? If getting into an altercation with your ex that leads to any kind of charges or restraining order makes you "Not a good dude" then i guess i'm not a good dude.
Gonna have to change my moniker name to "Not a good dude!" now. Or i can make it easier how about "Bad Man!"

Word to the wise, don't pattern your life after me, for God's sake unless you like hitting the bottle and carousing, young girls night after night after night, and always sex sex sex, never the same one twice. Nothing but steak, lobster, red wine, prime rib and grilled asparagus. What you've got is much better seeing the same woman day after day after day until you memorize her every habit, meat loaf, mashed potatoes and gravy, macaroni and cheese, pot roast, chicken and dumplings and then repeat day after day. Believe me, your way is better.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Word to the wise, don't pattern your life after me, for God's sake unless you like hitting the bottle and carousing, young girls night after night after night, and always sex sex sex, never the same one twice. Nothing but steak, lobster, red wine, prime rib and grilled asparagus. What you've got is much better seeing the same woman day after day after day until you memorize her every habit, meat loaf, mashed potatoes and gravy, macaroni and cheese, pot roast, chicken and dumplings and then repeat day after day. Believe me, your way is better.

 

[kjironman1]

Word to the wise, don't pattern your life after me, for God's sake unless you like hitting the bottle and carousing, young girls night after night after night, and always sex sex sex, never the same one twice. Nothing but steak, lobster, red wine, prime rib and grilled asparagus. What you've got is much better seeing the same woman day after day after day until you memorize her every habit, meat loaf, mashed potatoes and gravy, macaroni and cheese, pot roast, chicken and dumplings and then repeat day after day. Believe me, your way is better.

So you Notta Good Dude and Bad Man both!
Yeah my life has been much better when i settled down for sure.

 

[Eli Vance]

Wow, someone speaks fluent Tucker Carlson

Someone had to speak a little sense among the sea of Don Lemons and Rachel Maddows in this thread.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

When does the cops safety come into play? When is it more than just committing a crime but open defiance of requested obedience by law enforcement? When does it go from a cop killing to a cop defending him self in a way that prevents the accused of reaching for a deadly weapon?

IM asking honestly. Should the cops be forced to wait until thew accused has a weapon turned on them? Of which case puts the cops life in danger? When is it acceptable for cops to take preventive measures that prevent their life form being put in a life and death situation?

IM honestly asking, not saying what is right and what is wrong. I just think that is is not good to set a clear definition, or it will always be grey and confusing to both law enforcement officials and the public.

IMO--yes, the cop needs to wait until he's absolutely certain without even a shadow of a doubt that the person has a deadly weapon and is attempting to use it. Suspicion of a possibility of reaching for "something" is absolutely insufficient.

Yes, that makes the police officer's job more difficult and dangerous. That's part of what they signed up for.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Someone had to speak a little sense among the sea of Don Lemons and Rachel Maddows in this thread.

You have an interesting definition of the word "sense".

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Orion Bailey]

IMO--yes, the cop needs to wait until he's absolutely certain without even a shadow of a doubt that the person has a deadly weapon and is attempting to use it. Suspicion of a possibility of reaching for "something" is absolutely insufficient.

Yes, that makes the police officer's job more difficult and dangerous. That's part of what they signed up for.

Good definition, or statement. I just am still a bit gray. It seems the only solution is to disarm officers and let them be susceptible to the violence many suspects will instill when known they cant be shot.

I see this have a larger swing than possibly intended to the point where a decade from now, we may see a HUGE rise in officers being killed or injured by suspects who then get away. I don't think that will last.

It seems to me the only satisfactory answer is to let suspects do whatever they want until after they have shot and possibly killed a cop, because we tied the cops hands behind their back and didn't allow them the freedom to make a judgement call in a split second that their life may depend on.

The issue I have with this is suspects don't have a code like this, so inevitably if your statement is followed 100%, I see a complete pendulum swing and that wont fly either. To me it seems there needs to be a compromise here where the cops have a line of justification that allows them to protect themselves.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Good definition, or statement. I just am still a bit gray. It seems the only solution is to disarm officers and let them be susceptible to the violence many suspects will instill when known they cant be shot.

I see this have a larger swing than possibly intended to the point where a decade from now, we may see a HUGE rise in officers being killed or injured by suspects who then get away. I don't think that will last.

It seems to me the only satisfactory answer is to let suspects do whatever they want until after they have shot and possibly killed a cop, because we tied the cops hands behind their back and didn't allow them the freedom to make a judgement call in a split second that their life may depend on.

The issue I have with this is suspects don't have a code like this, so inevitably if your statement is followed 100%, I see a complete pendulum swing and that wont fly either. To me it seems there needs to be a compromise here where the cops have a line of justification that allows them to protect themselves.

Seems like you're going to the extreme to make a point, but it seems like spurious logic. Yes there are some who want to disarm officers completely--I don't support that at all. Nobody wants to "let suspects do whatever they want", but we also shouldn't allow a cop's fear to trump a suspect's life. Cops should be allowed to protect themselves, defend themselves, but they should not be the aggressors.

Cops absolutely get to make judgment calls, but they should not be free from recrimination when their calls are based on faulty judgment. The burden of proof on the officer to justify deadly force needs to be much, much higher than it has been historically.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Seems like you're going to the extreme to make a point, but it seems like spurious logic. Yes there are some who want to disarm officers completely--I don't support that at all. Nobody wants to "let suspects do whatever they want", but we also shouldn't allow a cop's fear to trump a suspect's life. Cops should be allowed to protect themselves, defend themselves, but they should not be the aggressors.

Cops absolutely get to make judgment calls, but they should not be free from recrimination when their calls are based on faulty judgment. The burden of proof on the officer to justify deadly force needs to be much, much higher than it has been historically.

So after a scuffle and after trying a taser and after the suspect defying and doing the opposite of the demands, you dont think its a credible threat to the cops life when he is reaching for something?

i know proof is required for the courts, but to me, its completely rational to think he is going for a gun and if im the cop, im thinking, “ if i let him get a finger on a trigger i might be dead”
So when it comes to cops who are striving for a non lethal solution, as evidenceD by first trying the taser and then not shooting him at first, (keep in mind after a scuffle where he was already resisting), i see it as rational, to think its him or the suspect at that moment and if I'm the cop, or anyone for that matter, its gonna be him. Not me.
Its innate survival instincts.

 

[BlayZa]

i saw a vid this morning with the cops after a guy, guy then shot himself, and people around him were yelling 'we saw the cops shoot him', the off go people trashing Target or whatever cause of that - everything is so broken everywhere.

all the facts matter, people do exactly what media does, report shit without the full story and inject their own inaccurate assumptions n bs as 'fact'. everything is instigative.

sad to see.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think the issue is less so with the police themselves and more so the system surrounding them. Bad laws, bad procedures for dealing with people, not enough training, bad DA's, judges,and the justice system. It needs reform, they need accountability, they need to know if you 'speak out' about a bad cop you won't be fired. The police are also a part of the problem especially the police union protecting their members at all costs, and when they do get fired sending them to another town to continue bad policing.
In a situation like this, of course, he didn't deserve to get shot (once let alone seven times), but with all that had gone on previous to it, it takes a lot of training to have restraint in that situation, and our cops are woefully undertrained and don't have systems of accountability above them. There are ways this ends without shots fired, Blake made some stupid decisions, but cops should be equipped to handle situations better than they commonly do.


This guy summed it up pretty well imo.

Am I crazy or is that Kevin Durant's shorter and slightly pudgier brother?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Am I crazy or is that Kevin Durant's shorter and slightly pudgier brother?

He’s Tyrone Magnus an actor, and very good follow on youtubes if you’re into nerdy stuff.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm7301563/

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Someone had to speak a little sense among the sea of Don Lemons and Rachel Maddows in this thread.

You did indeed speak very little sense.

 

[riverman]

today in Washington DC....hardly looters and arsonists from what I see....if you think that's what BLM is it's not...this is BLM..

 

[kjironman1]

Good definition, or statement. I just am still a bit gray. It seems the only solution is to disarm officers and let them be susceptible to the violence many suspects will instill when known they cant be shot.

I see this have a larger swing than possibly intended to the point where a decade from now, we may see a HUGE rise in officers being killed or injured by suspects who then get away. I don't think that will last.

It seems to me the only satisfactory answer is to let suspects do whatever they want until after they have shot and possibly killed a cop, because we tied the cops hands behind their back and didn't allow them the freedom to make a judgement call in a split second that their life may depend on.

The issue I have with this is suspects don't have a code like this, so inevitably if your statement is followed 100%, I see a complete pendulum swing and that wont fly either. To me it seems there needs to be a compromise here where the cops have a line of justification that allows them to protect themselves.

Yeah this is a bit of a tough issue all around.
Here is something that i saw in Korea. The police there do not carry guns. They don't drive cars much.
When they are at a speed trap they literally stand on the side of the road and point at the driver. The driver then pulls over and rolls back to the officer. Gets his ticket and carries on. In England the police do not carry guns either. They carry Tasers and batons for the most part. They also do not chase perps. The Radio is faster they say. In both countries they have back up units that are armed and very very qualified to the point that they are basically swat teams on steroids.
I'm thinking the US will eventually go to this. Might take another 20 years but it's what i am seeing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah this is a bit of a tough issue all around.
Here is something that i saw in Korea. The police there do not carry guns. They don't drive cars much.
When they are at a speed trap they literally stand on the side of the road and point at the driver. The driver then pulls over and rolls back to the officer. Gets his ticket and carries on. In England the police do not carry guns either. They carry Tasers and batons for the most part. They also do not chase perps. The Radio is faster they say. In both countries they have back up units that are armed and very very qualified to the point that they are basically swat teams on steroids.
I'm thinking the US will eventually go to this. Might take another 20 years but it's what i am seeing.

i think the big difference may be though is percentage of civilians owning guns? What percent of Americans own guns vs what percent of Korea or England?

im pretty sure the difference is quite significant. Its much easier to deweaponize a police force when the civilians are already unarmed.
Im just not sure i see that happening in a country with so many guns already on the streets.
Its kind of like asking cops to take a knife to a gun fight.
My other fear is this will actually draw lesser qualified and stable people to recruitments than better recruits.
Yes training should be overhauled, but i don't see any decent person wanting to be a cop now that people want their hands tied behind their backs.
Dont get me wrong. Im for alot of change also, but i think the initial desired effect will be opposite the outcome with regards to better recruits and qualified candidates.

who in their right mind would want to be a cop now?

 

[jonnyboy]

today in Washington DC....hardly looters and arsonists from what I see....if you think that's what BLM is it's not...this is BLM..
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Hope you’re right. I guess we’ll see what happens.

 

[riverman]

Hope you’re right. I guess we’ll see what happens.

When the president should be reassuring people and addressing this, he didn't, he called them thugs ...that's not going to help the situation. We need leadership in this country that is not obsessed with TV ratings and is actually concerned about social well being...Nov 3rd vote for change

 

[Chris Craig]

Every NBA team will look to convert their arenas to voter locations for the 2020 election.