Neil Olshey is the man

[PapaG]

t CJ has more value than Barton.

I'm curious as to why you think this. CJ can't even get off of the bench these days, and is behind Barton in the rotation.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Are you expecting Toronto to not offer him a qualifying offer? I fully expect them to, which means he'll be a RFA, which means you'll have to overpay for him.

Sure they will, but I don't let facts get in the way of a good armchair GM plan. Front-load the contract, convince Toronto to S&T--whatever it takes Neil! Make it happen or you're dead to me! (That's how it's supposed to work, right?)

 

[PapaG]

Sure they will, but I don't let facts get in the way of a good armchair GM plan. Front-load the contract, convince Toronto to S&T--whatever it takes Neil! Make it happen or you're dead to me! (That's how it's supposed to work, right?)

Ha! Got it.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I like the ideas of Vasquez, Stuckey and Ariza but those just aren't realistic because I think all of those guys will want the full MLE up to 8 million or so.

I think if we could bring back Mo for a reasonable deal (3 years/12 mil) and brought in some vets like Pierce/Marion (wouldn't be easy but possible... would be great off the bench) and Diaw/Okafor we would be so set for a championship run.

Why isn't it realistic to offer our full MLE on someone? It's less than 8 mil BTW (unless front loaded? which might be helpful for us as we'll need to offer dame a new K)

Would love to add a cheap vet like Vince Carter, but I think we have to go far in the playoffs this year in order for us to become a destination of choice.

Vasquez is a fine player but he doesn't bring the same things Mo does. If we bring him in then one of either CJ or Barton would have to become a Vinnie Microwave. I don't think they can do that in limited minutes. I know they can score in heavy minutes but they both would probably take time to heat up.

Part of the idea with Vasquez is he makes the game easier for Dame and Aldridge, doesn't disrupt the flow of offense/etc. So there is a benefit there. Also, I think Robinson would be WAY more effective with Vasquez.

His best year was two years ago I'm NO; he had a sub-15 PER this year, and has had his minutes drop a lot (just 21.5 mpg in Toronto). He might command less than you think.

I'd offer 4y, 18M.

He's also contributed to a playoff team, shown versatility in playing out of position much of the year, and greatly improved his jump shot. He'll get full MLE IMO.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's also contributed to a playoff team, shown versatility in playing out of position much of the year, and greatly improved his jump shot. He'll get full MLE IMO.

Thanks a lot, Buzz Killington. I want to believe that we can get him for less!

But you're probably right, and I'd probably want to do it anyway. Give him a Wes-Matthews-style paid-half-up-front contract, and bring him in to be the 6th man for the next 4 years. If TDot is willing to let him go, that is...

 

[shamelessblazer]

Are you expecting Toronto to not offer him a qualifying offer? I fully expect them to, which means he'll be a RFA, which means you'll have to overpay for him.

Well then we set our price and either get him or go to plan B. Worth a shot right? They may not be willing to break bank with how much they'll need to pay Lowry to stay, and how much they're paying derozan and eventually will pay terrance ross.

 

[PapaG]

Thanks a lot, Buzz Killington. I want to believe that we can get him for less!

But you're probably right, and I'd probably want to do it anyway. Give him a Wes-Matthews-style paid-half-up-front contract, and bring him in to be the 6th man for the next 4 years. If TDot is willing to let him go, that is...

The Matthews contract worked because the Jazz were cash poor. When Portland tried the same thing with Millsap, I believe the Jazz took out a line of credit for the early cash payment.

 

[PapaG]

Well then we set our price and either get him or go to plan B. Worth a shot right? They may not be willing to break bank with how much they'll need to pay Lowry to stay, and how much they're paying derozan and eventually will pay terrance ross.

The problem is you tie up your cap space for up to 3 days if he signs a contract with Portland. If Toronto matches, that's three days missed for getting a free agent.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The Matthews contract worked because the Jazz were cash poor. When Portland tried the same thing with Millsap, I believe the Jazz took out a line of credit for the early cash payment.

The Millsap situation came first, right? Just trying to recollect.

I think the overall price to Millsap was something the Jazz were far more comfortable taking on debt to match than the Blazers' offer for Wes (who was coming off his rookie year).

But yeah, I hate tying up money for something that likely won't work out.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The problem is you tie up your cap space for up to 3 days if he signs a contract with Portland. If Toronto matches, that's three days missed for getting a free agent.

Even bigger is that with the moratorium, nothing becomes official until what 10-15 days into July? So, if Portland comes to an agreement with a player on July 1, they can't sign the offer sheet until the end of the moratorium. So, they basically tie up their money for the 10-15 days, PLUS, the 3 days. One would assume they pretty much stop negotiating with a player once they've essentially agreed to the offer sheet.

So, we'd really be blowing our wad and any other potential moves to sign a player to an offer sheet that may never materialize.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Why isn't it realistic to offer our full MLE on someone? It's less than 8 mil BTW (unless front loaded? which might be helpful for us as we'll need to offer dame a new K)

Would love to add a cheap vet like Vince Carter, but I think we have to go far in the playoffs this year in order for us to become a destination of choice.

I should've been more clear. I know the MLE is 5.56 mil or something I'm saying all those players mentioned will get either that or contracts up to 8 mil per season.

Would like Vince as well, heck I would like a lot of players on Dallas.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm curious as to why you think this. CJ can't even get off of the bench these days, and is behind Barton in the rotation.

A few reasons actually.

First, he was the tenth overall pick in the draft last summer.

Second, he was considered by many to be one of the leaders for ROY before he was injured.

Third, GM's realize that he missed all of training camp and didn't play until December. They also realize he's a rookie trying to get minutes on a team that was vying for top four in the west.

I get that some of you guys have given up on CJ, but I still think he has a lot of value. I think he's going to be a good player, but I don't know if we have time to wait for him to develop. We need veterans to go with our young guys. It's players like Mo and Wright and Earl that have made all the difference in this playoff series. I mentioned Earl because the players have been saying that he's been extremely vocal despite not playing.

 

[PapaG]

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Second, he was considered by many to be one of the leaders for ROY before he actually played in a game.

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FTFY

 

[Natebishop3]

FTFY

I guess I'm not really sure what you want me to say. I think he has more value than Barton. Do you think his value is really low after the season he had?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Looking forward to seeing what Neil does this offseason after watching what the Spurs have done to us. He's without a doubt taking notes & I have faith he'll continue to make moves to improve our roster.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The bench production has been atrocious.

Mo had his moments but overall he was a big liability in both series.

I think we have something is Barton. I see a bit of Nick Young in his game.

CJ never got into a rhythm with his injury that really should've held him out all year.

I had hope for Leonard coming into the NBA considering the coaching turmoil at Illinois but he doesn't have a feel for the game at all.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

We need DEFENSE and a reliable bench scorer.

 

[blue9]

We need DEFENSE and a reliable bench scorer.

And a better go-to scorer, and a better coach.

 

[ripcityboy]

Mo was a good pickup in spurts, Wright has hardly been used this season, TRob has played well in spurts, Lopez was a good pickup. He also drafted Meyers Leonard, one of the worst draft picks in Blazers history and CJ McCollum, who has been worthless. I'd give him a C+. He's hardly San Antonio or even Houston's GM. See what he does in the next two years.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

And a better go-to scorer, and a better coach.

The one single question I have to ask in regard to Stotts. You see what the Spurs are, how they play, how good they are. Can Terry put THIS together? Because I think he is going to have to if they are ever going to win another title. The next question. Is the current collection of players going to cut it. The LA's, Nic's. I think Damian is fine. I'm concerned about comitting a max to LA.

 

[B-Roy]

The one single question I have to ask in regard to Stotts. You see what the Spurs are, how they play, how good they are. Can Terry put THIS together? Because I think he is going to have to if they are ever going to win another title. The next question. Is the current collection of players going to cut it. The LA's, Nic's. I think Damian is fine. I'm concerned about comitting a max to LA.

You have to commit to LA. Even at worst, if you don't believe he's the guy to take you to the promised land, you sign him and move him later. To lose him for nothing would be the worst decision this franchise makes since Greg ODen.

 

[ripcityboy]

The one single question I have to ask in regard to Stotts. You see what the Spurs are, how they play, how good they are. Can Terry put THIS together? Because I think he is going to have to if they are ever going to win another title. The next question. Is the current collection of players going to cut it. The LA's, Nic's. I think Damian is fine. I'm concerned about comitting a max to LA.

Greg Pop. has been with the Spurs since like 1994. He helped put that team together. The guy installed a system that just works like butter. The only system Stotts can put together is a toilet main. He's a great offensive coach but I would hardly call him an X's and O's guy. We have our starting five, we just have to surround them with better talent and if push comes to shove, a better coach.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Greg Pop. has been with the Spurs since like 1994. He helped put that team together. The guy installed a system that just works like butter. The only system Stotts can put together is a toilet main. He's a great offensive coach but I would hardly call him an X's and O's guy. We have our starting five, we just have to surround them with better talent and if push comes to shove, a better coach.

Terry probably gets his extension. But I'm leery of it and as well as one for LA.

I just don't see this team being much better than this under this dynamic.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

You have to commit to LA. Even at worst, if you don't believe he's the guy to take you to the promised land, you sign him and move him later. To lose him for nothing would be the worst decision this franchise makes since Greg ODen.

I don't know. If he is not Max material, I may not be afraid to set myself back a year or two and trade him for a lottery pick or a player that is or can be.

 

[ripcityboy]

Terry probably gets his extension. But I'm leery of it and as well as one for LA.

I just don't see this team being much better than this under this dynamic.

Eh. It's the Blazers. A small market team. Love them for what they are. I have a blast when they win.