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[BonesJones]

Yes

And why would you?

 

[CupWizier]

Exactly.

Would y'all be ready to give up C.J. for him? Because that's what it'd take.

Absolutely not. Richardson is maybe a slightly better than average player in the league as of this time.

 

[BonesJones]

Josh Richardson is at best, an average offensive player. Yes, he's a good defender, but he's basically Courtney Lee at this point in his career...

-- PER 36 --
J.R. - 14.0ppg / 3.8reb / 3.1ast / 1.9tov / 45.1FG% / 37.8 3P%
C.L. - 14.2ppg / 3.5reb / 2.8ast / 1.3tov / 45.4FG% / 40.6 3P%

Defensively, Richardson has a DRTG of 106 compared to Lee's 113, but Richardson is surrounding with many good defenders (Winslow, Whiteside, Adebeyo, Olynyk) while Lee was surrounded with horrible ones (Kanter, Beasley, Mudiay, Hardaway, Burke, etc.) Lee is known as a good defender, so I don't think Richardson has an advantage there... If he does, it's not much, and Lee is definitely a better offensive player, so they're relatively similar.

Yet this dude hates the idea of adding Lee for the (soon to be unused) TPE, but would trade C.J. for Richardson. Makes 0 sense, but whatever.

 

[BonesJones]

Absolutely not. Richardson is maybe a slightly better than average player in the league as of this time.

Yup. Good defender, average to below average offensive player.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Josh Richardson is at best, an average offensive player. Yes, he's a good defender, but he's basically Courtney Lee at this point in his career...

-- PER 36 --
J.R. - 14.0ppg / 3.8reb / 3.1ast / 1.9tov / 45.1FG% / 37.8 3P%
C.L. - 14.2ppg / 3.5reb / 2.8ast / 1.3tov / 45.4FG% / 40.6 3P%

Defensively, Richardson has a DRTG of 106 compared to Lee's 113, but Richardson is surrounding with many good defenders (Winslow, Whiteside, Adebeyo, Olynyk) while Lee was surrounded with horrible ones (Kanter, Beasley, Mudiay, Hardaway, Burke, etc.) Lee is known as a good defender, so I don't think Richardson has an advantage there... If he does, it's not much, and Lee is definitely a better offensive player, so they're relatively similar.

Yet this dude hates the idea of adding Lee for the (soon to be unused) TPE, but would trade C.J. for Richardson. Makes 0 sense, but whatever.

Do you happen to know how those stats project over a career? To be fair most players start off slow. - again like my above post says wouldn’t do it for CJ I think they could do better, just curious.

 

[BonesJones]

Do you happen to know how those stats project over a career? To be fair most players start off slow. - again like my above post says wouldn’t do it for CJ I think they could do better, just curious.

What do you mean do they project? Obviously Richardson is the better trade candidate because he's younger, but he's 25 going into next season, so I don't expect him to improve all that much more... It's not like he has more raw talent that he can tap into. Lee will slowly decline (but his game isn't such that'll lead to sharp decline). Richardson's best season was actually his rookie year.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

What do you mean do they project? Obviously Richardson is the better trade candidate because he's younger, but he's 25 going into next season, so I don't expect him to improve all that much more... It's not like he has more raw talent that he can tap into. Lee will slowly decline (but his game isn't such that'll lead to sharp decline). Richardson's best season was actually his rookie year.

Like I guess what I mean is I’ve seen different models that use a players first few years in the NBA and then show what that “might” mean for a players career / prime. Sorry if that’s not making sense I probably should’ve paid better attention in my statistics classes...

 

[lawai'a]

at 6'6" and 240lbs, richardson also fills in well at the point and is considered a very good defender and playmaker. spoleastra talks him up and he usually has the toughest wing assignment on that end of the floor.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Richardson is an elite defensive wing that can hit 3’s... you can easily make up the 9 points less he scores than CJ... and team would play better overall because they would play more as a TEAM... CJ is an undersized ISO ball chucker that doesn’t play defense... plus his salary is terrible at 26-30 mil per season over the next 3 years for a one way player that doesn’t pass

 

[RR7]

Richardson is an elite defensive wing that can hit 3’s... you can easily make up the 9 points less he scores than CJ... and team would play better overall because they would play more as a TEAM... CJ is an undersized ISO ball chucker that doesn’t play defense... plus his salary is terrible at 26-30 mil per season over the next 3 years for a one way player that doesn’t pass

Why do you care how much he makes

 

[Gronk Brady]

Why do you care how much he makes

Why do you care so much about my opinion... get a hobby

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Richardson is an elite defensive wing that can hit 3’s... you can easily make up the 9 points less he scores than CJ... and team would play better overall because they would play more as a TEAM... CJ is an undersized ISO ball chucker that doesn’t play defense... plus his salary is terrible at 26-30 mil per season over the next 3 years for a one way player that doesn’t pass

Edit: I also think giving up CJ for Richardson means we would see even MORE Turner because we be losing our 2nd ball handler and Richardson isn’t really all that much of one.
If you want to sale CJ to another team maybe you should mention that he’s one of the best shooters in the NBA, he’s crafty with the ball, played a lot of minutes on a top 10 defensive unit.
You can dislike CJ’s game all you want but he’s a much better player than Richardson. He’s a very good 2g. He’s not as bad as you make him out to be, is he a great fit in Portland? Not really, but boiling his game down to short iso ball chucker seems a little reductive...

 

[Gronk Brady]

If you want to sale CJ to another team maybe you should mention that he’s one of the best shooters in the NBA, he’s crafty with the ball, played a lot of minutes on a top 10 defensive unit.
You can dislike CJ’s game all you want but he’s a much better player than Richardson. He’s a very good 2g. He’s not as bad as you make him out to be, is he a great fit in Portland? Not really, but boiling his game down to short iso ball chucker seems a little reductive...

I disagree, you are greatly overrating him 1) because he is a Blazers, 2) because he sores a lot of points and that’s the flashy stat. Is CJ a good passer? No. Can he get to the free throw line above average? No. Is he a good defender? No... and for all the points he scores, he attempts the 7th most shots per game in the NBA... would rather have a more spread offense outside of Dame

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Well he was is a 40% 3 point shooter, 88% ft shooter, and for his career has a 52% efg which is really freaking good for a Guard especially a guard where there has been only one other good option on his team. It’s not about over rating CJ he’s a good 2 guard probably in the 7-12ish range in the NBA at his position.
Whether you can accept it or not defense in the NBA is a team thing and CJ was part of a good defensive team last year. Is he a good one on one defender? No, but he and Dame have both learned how to put more effort in on that end of the court.

I could simply say you’re under-rating him because you don’t like him and that’s just as bad as an arguement as saying I’m over rating him because he’s a Blazer.

 

[BonesJones]

Why do you care so much about my opinion... get a hobby

But I thought that everyone cares about your opinion? Isn't that what you claim? That you post what you do so that you can influences people's opinions? You're contradicting yourself.

 

[BonesJones]

Richardson is an elite defensive wing that can hit 3’s... you can easily make up the 9 points less he scores than CJ... and team would play better overall because they would play more as a TEAM... CJ is an undersized ISO ball chucker that doesn’t play defense... plus his salary is terrible at 26-30 mil per season over the next 3 years for a one way player that doesn’t pass

Bro, you literally don't back up any of your stupid BS with anything except for conjecture... Conjecture that's biased because you like to whine... C.J. doesn't pass? He gets more assists than Richardson does! That's an example of BS conjecture just to whine about C.J. We'd play more as a "team"? What does that mean? More ball movement? More cutting? Another example of a broad statement of conjecture.

"You can make up the 9 points"... How? By having Harkless, Turner, Nurkic, and Aminu shoot more? Do you really think that we'll be better offensively by replacing all of C.J.'s production with less efficient players? Lmao.

 

[BonesJones]

Also, a good defense is usually better than the sum of their parts... The individual parts don't matter as much, it's the collection of pieces together... Big men are also more important defensively, as they can't control the game as much offensively, and if they're good enough, they can make up for mistakes by guards on the perimeter or allow guards to play or shadow offensive players in a certain way that neutralizes their respective weaknesses. So I don't think putting a better defender in CJ's spot would make us that much better defensively. Richardson isn't a guy that makes our defensive lineup all that more switchable like a Jimmy Butler or Khris Middleton would. The sacrifice offensively would be much greater.

 

[Gronk Brady]

But I thought that everyone cares about your opinion? Isn't that what you claim? That you post what you do so that you can influences people's opinions? You're contradicting yourself.

Where did I say EVERYONE? Please supply the post...

 

[Gronk Brady]

Bro, you literally don't back up any of your stupid BS with anything except for conjecture... Conjecture that's biased because you like to whine... C.J. doesn't pass? He gets more assists than Richardson does! That's an example of BS conjecture just to whine about C.J. We'd play more as a "team"? What does that mean? More ball movement? More cutting? Another example of a broad statement of conjecture.

"You can make up the 9 points"... How? By having Harkless, Turner, Nurkic, and Aminu shoot more? Do you really think that we'll be better offensively by replacing all of C.J.'s production with less efficient players? Lmao.

CJ takes the 7th most FGA per game last season and not in top 15 in scoring... not efficient if you ask me... plus it kills the flow of the offense with him over dribbling and only looking for his own shot unless it’s a last second bailout

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

CJ takes the 7th most FGA per game last season and not in top 15 in scoring... not efficient if you ask me... plus it kills the flow of the offense with him over dribbling and only looking for his own shot unless it’s a last second bailout

I’m all for trading CJ if you can equal or better talent out of it, Richardson is no where close to an all star in the east, if CJ was in the east I can almost guarantee you he becomes a perennial all star.
I think Richardson is an ok role player, but that’s about it.
It’s funny how much CJ is getting bashed for being the 2nd best player on a 49 win basketball team.
I’m not disagreeing that CJ has flaws he does! Does he over dribble? Yes! Does he go into I will shoot no matter what mode? Yup!
But you talk like the guy is straight garbage and he just isn’t...
There are better players / prospects the Blazers should be able to swing for CJ than Richardson.
Anyways not trying to dogpile on you, as I agree with you that I wouldn’t mind moving on from CJ, and maybe I over rate him, but I believe you might be guilty of under rating him too.

 

[BonesJones]

Where did I say EVERYONE? Please supply the post... or else this is just another example of you trying to start trouble with someone to bring some excitement to your pathetic life.

The way you act on here seems like you reflect the feelings about yourself onto other people. You say you're not an angry person, but then you reply like this. You say I'm trying to cause trouble, but all I see is you posting like an asshole towards everyone else.

 

[Gronk Brady]

The way you act on here seems like you reflect the feelings about yourself onto other people. You say you're not an angry person, but then you reply like this. You say I'm trying to cause trouble, but all I see is you posting like an asshole towards everyone else.

That’s what I thought... you couldn’t find the post so now you are trying to deflect...

 

[BonesJones]

CJ takes the 7th most FGA per game last season and not in top 15 in scoring... not efficient if you ask me... plus it kills the flow of the offense with him over dribbling and only looking for his own shot unless it’s a last second bailout

You do realize that this is a stupid way to measure for efficiency, right? Thats because it doesnt take into account FTAs (which most top scorers get a ton of). At least you brought more than conjecture this time, but you should provide proper context with all stats.

 

[BonesJones]

That’s what I thought... you couldn’t find the post so now you are trying to deflect... get a life bro

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not trying to find a post. Deflecting would be making shit up to divert the conversation away from being called out.

Every type of poster is tired of you. The thing is, you would be completely fine if you weren't so quick-tempered, didnt make shit personal, and didnt whine and repeat yourself constantly. But you dont seem to care.

 

[BonesJones]

Look in the mirror man... you are the biggest instigating POS in here. I only insult people after they throw insults at me just because they don’t like my thoughts about the current state of the Blazers.

And don’t say I said something if you can’t back it up.

That's false as hell, and just you deflecting shit while trying to talk more shit.

Tone said you're not an angry person before... do I really need to show you the post of you saying that? Is memory a problem too?

So about the 2nd part of this bolded statement. Where in this post did I insult you?

"But I thought that everyone cares about your opinion? Isn't that what you claim? That you post what you do so that you can influences people's opinions? You're contradicting yourself"

Where's the insult bud? At worst I'm calling out your posts based on what you've said. That's not a personal insult. You reply by saying that I have a "pathetic life". Then you want to claim you only insult people if insulted first, and that somehow I'm the biggest instigator on this forum?

Get a fucking clue.

 

[e_blazer]

So we now have more former OregonLive posters here than ever before. Perhaps that’s why it’s starting to feel like OregonLive here?

 

[BonesJones]

So we now have more former OregonLive posters here than ever before. Perhaps that’s why it’s starting to feel like OregonLive here?

Its not. Nobody from there has caused problems lately.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So we now have more former OregonLive posters here than ever before. Perhaps that’s why it’s starting to feel like OregonLive here?

Sorry?

 

[Gronk Brady]

That's false as hell, and just you deflecting shit while trying to talk more shit.

Tone said you're not an angry person before... do I really need to show you the post of you saying that? Is memory a problem too?

So about the 2nd part of this bolded statement. Where in this post did I insult you?

"But I thought that everyone cares about your opinion? Isn't that what you claim? That you post what you do so that you can influences people's opinions? You're contradicting yourself"

Where's the insult bud? At worst I'm calling out your posts based on what you've said. That's not a personal insult. You reply by saying that I have a "pathetic life". Then you want to claim you only insult people if insulted first, and that somehow I'm the biggest instigator on this forum?

Get a fucking clue.

You are interjecting yourself to defend someone else who insulted me, and trying to back them up with a false claim that I said EVERYONE cares about my opinion... you obviously can’t find it because I didn’t say it... so you interjecting is just trying to stir the pot...

 

[Propagandist]

It's just a fucking frog.