Nerlens noel to Portland makes sense

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While I agree with this sentiment:

There's a chance that he's better than anyone realizes. At worst, he's Bismack Biyombo. His best case scenario is probably close to Thibs-era Joakim Noah.

The upside comparison is bizarre. What made Noah special in his prime was his tremendous passing ability on offense to go with his strong defense. Nothing suggests that Noel will be a great, or even good, passer.

I'd say that the dream with Noel is a prime Tyson Chandler or the current DeAndre Jordan. A great rim-protector and rebounder, and a rim-runner on offense, turning pick-and-rolls into lobs for dunks. That would make him a star, as someone who can set a screen and then turn into a credible scoring threat going to the basket helps open up shooters.
 
My fear, if we go through with this, is we end up with a worse passing - much better defending Plumlee.
A player where the offense stagnates (becoming 4 on 5) because opposing defenses don't respect his offensive prowess.

Personally I'd much rather we target Okafor - big upside and surely he can't be a worse defender than what we already have. . .
 
After all the problems they'v had with Noel and how badly they'v killed his value I wouldn't offer anything other then a first rounder.
 
After all the problems they'v had with Noel and how badly they'v killed his value I wouldn't offer anything other then a first rounder.

Just last year, before all this nonsense, he was averaging 11 points, 8.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks in 29 minutes on 52% FG shooting.
By comparison, last year Mason Plumlee was averaging 9 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.8 steals and 1.0 blocks in 25 minutes on 52% FG shooting.

So slightly more points, rebounds, less assists, more steals, more blocks and similar shooting. He was in his 2nd year at age 21 while Plumlee was in his 3rd year at age 25. I'd be more than willing to take a shot on Noel who has similar production at 4 years younger of an age.
 
After all the problems they'v had with Noel and how badly they'v killed his value I wouldn't offer anything other then a first rounder.

Same. They'd be lucky as shit to get someone like Crabbe, nevermind a first on top of it. First round picks are more valuable than ever before. Cheap way to acquire talent.
 
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Teachers, Policmen, and Firefighters making for $$ than basketball players makes sense, but....
 
Teachers, Policmen, and Firefighters making for $$ than basketball players makes sense, but....

Well, don't worry. In this world of fantasy these low paid plebians who toil in front of these caviar-munching teachers and elitest sewer workers can always sit out the game and show their displeasure. I also imagine you pay less than 8 dollars for a 16 ounce cup of beer in this alternative dimension/personal hell....
 
Well, don't worry. In this world of fantasy these low paid plebians who toil in front of these caviar-munching teachers and elitest sewer workers can always sit out the game and show their displeasure. I also imagine you pay less than 8 dollars for a 16 ounce cup of beer in this alternative dimension/personal hell....
I do pay less for beer, but book prices are really murder....
 
Just last year, before all this nonsense, he was averaging 11 points, 8.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks in 29 minutes on 52% FG shooting.
By comparison, last year Mason Plumlee was averaging 9 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.8 steals and 1.0 blocks in 25 minutes on 52% FG shooting.

So slightly more points, rebounds, less assists, more steals, more blocks and similar shooting. He was in his 2nd year at age 21 while Plumlee was in his 3rd year at age 25. I'd be more than willing to take a shot on Noel who has similar production at 4 years younger of an age.
oh i'll take him but i'd not give a lot or him, especially since he is a RFA and we would have half a season to decide if we wanted to give him the giant ass contract he is going to want.
 
Just last year, before all this nonsense, he was averaging 11 points, 8.1 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.8 steals and 1.5 blocks in 29 minutes on 52% FG shooting.
By comparison, last year Mason Plumlee was averaging 9 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.8 steals and 1.0 blocks in 25 minutes on 52% FG shooting.

So slightly more points, rebounds, less assists, more steals, more blocks and similar shooting. He was in his 2nd year at age 21 while Plumlee was in his 3rd year at age 25. I'd be more than willing to take a shot on Noel who has similar production at 4 years younger of an age.

And he was forced to play out of position at PF next to the weak defending Okafor at center. His rookie year (at the age of 20) defensive stats were even more impressive (1.9 blk/g and 1.8 stl/g, 9.9 pts/g and 8.1 reb/g). I've mentioned this several times, that Nerlens Noel in his first two seasons in the NBA, at the ages of 20 and 21, was the ONLY player in the entire NBA to record at least 100 BLKs and at least 100 STL in both of those seasons. The ONLY player to do it in both years and he was a 20-year old rookie the first season and did it in the second season, at 21, playing in only 67 games and being forced to play out of position at PF.

The guy was an elite NBA defender at the age of 20 (4th in the entire league in Defensive Box +/- in spite of playing on a shitty team that only won 18 games).

In terms of comparison, Marcus Camby is the obvious one. Most folks here remember late career 36 - 37 year old Marcus Camby, but in his prime Camby was DPOY. He led the league in blocked shots three years in a row, at 3.3, 3.3 and 3.6 blk/g and also averaged 11.9. 11.7 and 13.1 reb/g in those three seasons.

Noel was a better defender and a better rebounder as a 20-year old rookie than Camby was at 22. In fact, Nerlens Noel is younger now (by about a month) than Camby was as a rookie. Camby never averaged more than 7.8 reb/g until his 5th season in the league at age 26, but eventually became one of the top rebounders in the game. Noel averaged 8.1 rpg in each of his first two years. He was a better rebounder at 20 than Camby was at 25.

The guy is only 22, is already a proven, elite level defender and he's available and it shouldn't take much to get him. Yes, it would be a great fit. He's a great rim protector and also great in defending the pick and roll and covering the passing lanes. His offense is raw, but already more advanced than Plumlee's and will only get better.

BNM
 
If Olshey isn't able to trade for Noel I'm ready to see him gone.

We're starving for defense, and there's a lavish dinner of defense being served on a silver platter with the name "Noel" on it for anyone willing to pay a few pennies.

It's a perfect and almost too good to be true solution that would be Olshey's saving grace. Olshey is lucky to have such an easy solution available, and if Olshey is smart than there is no way Noel isn't wearing a Blazers uniform at the end of the year.
 
We don't have the assets to trade for Noel, I'm afraid. Giving CJ for him seems over the top unless we also get a pick in return, and Crabbe is not good enough now.
 
We don't have the assets to trade for Noel, I'm afraid. Giving CJ for him seems over the top unless we also get a pick in return, and Crabbe is not good enough now.
After an admittedly rough first month, Crabbe has been quite good in December. 11.5 ppg and 4 rpg on 47.8 FG% and 52.5% from 3 in 28.5 mpg. Equates to 14.5/5 per 36. Crabbe is raising his stock.
 
After an admittedly rough first month, Crabbe has been quite good in December. 11.5 ppg and 4 rpg on 47.8 FG% and 52.5% from 3 in 28.5 mpg. Equates to 14.5/5 per 36. Crabbe is raising his stock.
Yeah he is not terrible but he is not a $20M a year player either. Question is, when do 76ers think they will be able to win games. If they want to do it in the next two years, they should try to do better than Crabbe. If he is just going to be a filler for 2 miserable years, and they don't want to keep Noel at all, Crabbe will be fine.
 
...he was pretty old at that point too though, GM spending dumb money!

I asked Steve Patterson about that deal at a Blazer Advisory Board meeting. He tore in to me right in front of everyone telling me how I didn't know anything. D69 was there as well.....you should have seen the look on his face. :ohmy:
 
If Olshey isn't able to trade for Noel I'm ready to see him gone.

We're starving for defense, and there's a lavish dinner of defense being served on a silver platter with the name "Noel" on it for anyone willing to pay a few pennies.

It's a perfect and almost too good to be true solution that would be Olshey's saving grace. Olshey is lucky to have such an easy solution available, and if Olshey is smart than there is no way Noel isn't wearing a Blazers uniform at the end of the year.
Noel would be an upgrade, but not the panacea you're implying here. Other things are going to have to change or he's gonna get hung out to dry a lot -- this is a systemic problem nearly team wide. Dame and CJ probably will have to broken up as our starting backcourt at some point.
 

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