Nerlens noel to Portland makes sense

[UKRAINEFAN]

I asked Steve Patterson about that deal at a Blazer Advisory Board meeting. He tore in to me right in front of everyone telling me how I didn't know anything. D69 was there as well.....you should have seen the look on his face.

Kudos to you for asking!

 

[yenniedn]

Your teachers failed you in the proceeding post. But I agree with the premise.

As did yours...

 

[Scalma]

If Olshey isn't able to trade for Noel I'm ready to see him gone.

We're starving for defense, and there's a lavish dinner of defense being served on a silver platter with the name "Noel" on it for anyone willing to pay a few pennies.

It's a perfect and almost too good to be true solution that would be Olshey's saving grace. Olshey is lucky to have such an easy solution available, and if Olshey is smart than there is no way Noel isn't wearing a Blazers uniform at the end of the year.

I agree for the most part. He has to end up with Noel or Nurkic unless those two go for more than he was capable of offering, or if he just has bigger plans (the only two bigger possibilities I can see are cousins and Whiteside)

 

[TBpup]

Kudos to you for asking!

It didn't feel like 'kudos'. He roasted me pretty good and it didn't help when I followed up with, "who else offered Darius Miles so much money that we had to pay that much for him?"

The rest of the room was dead silent....lol.

 

[Haakzilla]

I asked Steve Patterson about that deal at a Blazer Advisory Board meeting. He tore in to me right in front of everyone telling me how I didn't know anything. D69 was there as well.....you should have seen the look on his face.

...that's crazy, but in retrospect, how does he look now?!

 

[Mote]

Noel would be an upgrade, but not the panacea you're implying here. Other things are going to have to change or he's gonna get hung out to dry a lot -- this is a systemic problem nearly team wide. Dame and CJ probably will have to broken up as our starting backcourt at some point.

Though I am a huge fan of both and it is painful to say... I agree. One of them needs to be traded for like value at a position of need. My hopes for defensive improvement for this pair to work effectively has disappeared. They are far too similar for co-existence.

One point that I don't feel is brought up enough is both Dame and C.J. have the propensity, when games get tight, to force the issue resulting with an unforced turnover or highly contested shot. This has time and again disrupted the offense Stott's has installed and brings an even larger discord to the entire team flow.

That being said, I would cringe at the sight of either one wearing anything but a Blazer jersey.

 

[BBert]

It didn't feel like 'kudos'. He roasted me pretty good and it didn't help when I followed up with, "who else offered Darius Miles so much money that we had to pay that much for him?"

The rest of the room was dead silent....lol.

Nice

 

[BonesJones]

If we trade Crabbe to Philadelphia for Noel that would leave about $16M in salary we could take back from a 3rd team who wanted to dump a veteran wing for a pick or a couple young pieces. That wing could replace Crabbe while we simply add Noel to the rotation.

Example:

PHI Gets:
Allen Crabbe
Shabazz Napier
2018 POR 1st

DAL Gets:
2018 CLE 1st
Noah Vonleh
Meyers Leonard

POR Gets:
Nerlens Noel
Wesley Matthews

Incoming: $22M
Outgoing: $32M

Hell, we could take back Bogut in this deal too, or another piece from Philadelphia

Lineup:
Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Matthews (25)
Harkless (28) / Turner (20)
Aminu (28) / Davis (20)
Noel (26) / Plumlee (22)

Or if Dallas was willing to give up Bogut:

Lineup:
Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (23) / Matthews (25)
Harkless (28) / Turner (20)
Aminu (23) / Davis (15) / Plumlee (10)
Noel (22) / Bogut (18) / Plumlee (8)

In this scenario I'd want to trade Plumlee instead of pay him. We could recoup on of the firsts we traded.

So we could possibly replace Leonard with Noel, (maybe Plumlee with Bogut), and Crabbe with Matthews, and only lose one or two picks.

I'd do it. Matthews and Bogut would give us some attitude and we'd add 3 great defenders. Bogut could replace Plumlees passing in Stotts offense. Matthews would be the shooter next to Turner and would give the team its heart-and-soul type of player. Noel is Noel.

So while the trade rumors are simple, such as Crabbe for Noel and that's it, I have a feeling things will be a lot more complex with multiple players going out and coming in from multiple teams.

 

[Scalma]

If we're really trading Crabbe for Noel, then I'm assuming we'll be acquiring another perimeter player either in the same trade or elsewhere. I still like the idea of trading for Ben mclemore. Maybe Sacramento would be interested in Ben for Meyers Leonard LMFAO.

 

[Boise Blazer]

This is a suggestion article and not a rumor but is still interesting to see what some think:

http://www.nba.com/article/2016/12/26/morning-tip-what-should-sixers-do-nerlens-noel

NERLENS SCENARIO 2
Noel + F Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot for F Ed Davis, G Shabazz Napier

The Blazers desperately need interior defense -- as we speak, they are DFL in the league in Defensive Rating, allowing a ghastly 115.8 points per 100 possessions, and are 28th in points allowed per game (112.8). This is no longer the feel-good story of last season; Portland has to fix this, and fast. Napier is getting next to no burn playing behind Damian Lillard; Evan Turner's on the ball, anyway, when he comes in the game. Davis is a rugged guy and works hard, but he's not capable of fixing Portland's awful defense by himself; in Philly, he’d be an upgrade off the bench. So why not see if Noel can come into the Rose City and give them some defensive presence in the paint? Napier would get point guard minutes in Philly behind Rodriguez, and Davis is a first-rate energy provider off the bench. Luwawu-Cabarrot, one of Philly's first-round picks this year, can get with the Blazers' terrific coaching staff and develop slowly, out of sight.

 

[rotary111]

I agree we might need to trade CJ, but if we could land Noel for Crabbe, it would be interesting to see how Dame and CJ work with a rim protector before we had to go to step 2 and trade that big of a player. I also would like to see Vucevic and Noel somehow, not sure how that would work out on the floor.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I agree we might need to trade CJ, but if we could land Noel for Crabbe, it would be interesting to see how Dame and CJ work with a rim protector before we had to go to step 2 and trade that big of a player. I also would like to see Vucevic and Noel somehow, not sure how that would work out on the floor.

PHI tried that last year by forcing Noel to play out of position at PF. While he is athletically capable of chasing smaller stretch 4s around the perimeter (and was still 8th in the entire league in DBPM), it negates his biggest advantage - elite rim protection and weak side shot blocking.

Vucevic is too plodding and slow to guard modern power forwards. So, once again Noel would be forced to play out of position. And while Vucevic has a midrange game, neither have 3-point range and both are most effective in the low post. Not a good fit in any system and especially not a good fit in Stotts' system.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Ibaka and Noel is the fit I want to see

 

[Minstrel]

Ibaka and Noel is the fit I want to see

Portland doesn't have the trade ammo to get Ibaka (assuming you don't want to swap McCollum for him). Even if Philadelphia will sell super low on Noel and give him up for just Crabbe and a draft pick, there isn't much Portland has to tempt Orlando. Lillard is obviously off the table, I assume most/everyone would take McCollum off the table, Harkless is the only other good trade chip and Plumlee is an okay bit of trade filler. Even if Orlando wanted Harkless back, Harkless and Plumlee (and a pick) doesn't seem sufficient to convince Orlando to sell on Ibaka.

 

[Scalma]

I really don't want to trade a Crabbe because I think trading CJ is the best way to really balance out the roster, but if we must trade Crabbe for Noel, I hope Neil has another moved lined up for a shooter, maybe someone buried on a depth chart somewhere. (Mclemore what's good)

 

[blue9]

This is a suggestion article and not a rumor but is still interesting to see what some think:

http://www.nba.com/article/2016/12/26/morning-tip-what-should-sixers-do-nerlens-noel

NERLENS SCENARIO 2
Noel + F Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot for F Ed Davis, G Shabazz Napier

This trade would be absolutely ideal for us!

 

[Sarni]

They won't give him away that cheap. Has to include Crabbe, and perhaps another one. Actually it would be cool to get Luwawu or Stauskas in return to balance a roster a bit.

 

[dviss1]

This trade would be absolutely ideal for us!

Philly won't do that IMHO.