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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Feb 19 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats what i like to hear!!

GO KIKI!!! hes completely determined to clean up this team and give it a fresh look

just imagine if we trade VC for JO and we also trade for Miller

We would be looking at pretty much a completely different team</div>
Yeah, no sh!t. The nets wouldn't seen the playoffs either.
 
Yes, because we need more big men. I don't mind Mike Miller, but let's pass on O'Neal and Nene.
 
I would do both trades I would do the Mike Miller and JO deal. I like VC but I just see a better team with JO. So I would do the trade for JO for VC. Mike Miller for expiring contracts and then we would have a pretty decent team for the future.

I like the starting lineup too:

PG Harris\MWilliams
SG Miller\Hassell\Ager\Harris\MWilliams\Jefferson
SF Jefferson\Hassell\Ager
PF JO\SWilliams\Swift\Boone
C Kristic\Diop\Swift\JO

I like it and it gives us something to work with and expiring contracts. Basically looking into next season for FA and the draft.
 
Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
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WTF?

Makes no sense.

Carter expires in 2010 just in time for LeBron. <font color="#ff0000">Edit: For those trying to follow along, this is WRONG!! LeBron has a player option in 2011 he definitely won't exercise.</font>

Nene is on the books for $11M in 2011.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
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WTF?

Makes no sense.

Carter expires in 2010 just in time for LeBron.

Nene is on the books for $11M in 2011.
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three-way in the works?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
</div>

WTF?

Makes no sense.

Carter expires in 2010 just in time for LeBron.

Nene is on the books for $11M in 2011.
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Remember, Vince is partially guaranteed for a decent amount that same season Nene makes 11.6 Million and there would be per year savings every other season
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Feb 19 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would do both trades I would do the Mike Miller and JO deal. I like VC but I just see a better team with JO. So I would do the trade for JO for VC. Mike Miller for expiring contracts and then we would have a pretty decent team for the future.

I like the starting lineup too:

PG Harris\MWilliams
SG Miller\Hassell\Ager\Harris\MWilliams\Jefferson
SF Jefferson\Hassell\Ager
PF JO\SWilliams\Swift\Boone
C Kristic\Diop\Swift\JO

I like it and it gives us something to work with and expiring contracts. Basically looking into next season for FA and the draft.</div>
No offense man but the numbers don't add up when you look at the roster...
Vince makes 13.5, Jermaine makes 20...we can't trade them straight up and we can't include players who have just been traded for...
assuming that Mike Miller was aquired for DA, Boki and Mags, then the only players we could throw in with Vince would be Swat, Boone, Krstic and Marcus Williams...

Actually the deal would be Vince, Nenad and either Marcus, Josh or Sean...

I'm just saying you should run numbers before you make proposals. Try realgm or the espn trade machine...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
</div>

What is a "Nuggets FO insider"?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
</div>

What is a "Nuggets FO insider"?
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Nuggets: NBA TEAM
FO: Front Office
Insider: Someone with knowledge of a situation

so apparently someone in the front office of the Denver Nuggets is saying we're trying to get Nene for Vince.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just read something from a Nuggets FO insider

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>NJ still wants to trade us Carter for Nene.</div>
</div>

WTF?

Makes no sense.

Carter expires in 2010 just in time for LeBron.

Nene is on the books for $11M in 2011.
</div>

Remember, Vince is partially guaranteed for a decent amount that same season Nene makes 11.6 Million and there would be per year savings every other season
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How much is he guaranteed that season and how much goes against the cap in 2011?

If it just means paying the luxury tax, that's no problem if it means they can still sign LeBron.
 
Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed.

Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed.

Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 19 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's kinda like how I can't tell black people apart, or Asians apart.</div>

Tiger Woods must really confound you.
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He plays for the Rockets, right?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed.

Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed.

Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div>

Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has.

GOD this Carter contract is dumb. Why in the world did Ratner do this???
 
Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div>
It makes sense regardless...Miller can play both the two and three positions...
3 man rotation all at 32 minutes a piece...
keeps players healthy, happy, energized.

I actually like the idea of grabbing Miller as a Manu Ginobili type 6th man alot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed.

Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed.

Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div>

Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has.
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Oh I totally agree with that. I wasn't advocating the trade, just clarifying the numbers and terms.

I really want to see what this team can do with only one other minor move, Boki/Magloire/pick for Miller or Boki/Magloire for Cuttino Mobley. Heck, we might even be able to rent Sam Cassell for the rest of the season in a deal with the Clippers. I think because of the 'cancer' that Kidd created in terms of chemistry and team morale, the other players deserve a chance to try and blend with the new pieces to see how far they can go.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div>

Why?

Miller, RJ and Carter would get all the minutes for two positions. That's 32 MPG.

RJ could always snipe a few more if needed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div>

Absolutely disagree. Miller is more a SF than a guard in terms of size, although he can play both positions. With Miller, you have a three man rotation at the wings (Miller/RJ/Carter), possibly using Harris for short minutes at the 2 with either Marcus or DA at point. It gives a lot of versatility and a PROVEN shooter, scorer, and all-round player as the backup wing, something we've never gotten out of any combination of Wright/Boki and the others that have come through the roster the last few years.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed.

Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed.

Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div>

Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has.
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Oh I totally agree with that. I wasn't advocating the trade, just clarifying the numbers and terms.

I really want to see what this team can do with only one other minor move, Boki/Magloire/pick for Miller or Boki/Magloire for Cuttino Mobley. Heck, we might even be able to rent Sam Cassell for the rest of the season in a deal with the Clippers. I think because of the 'cancer' that Kidd created in terms of chemistry and team morale, the other players deserve a chance to try and blend with the new pieces to see how far they can go.
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If we turn down Zach Randolph who isn't injury proned and has a shorter contract than Vince and instead grab Nene who is inury prone, overpaid, and has a potentially longer deal than the front office will lose all of the good will it's recieving from the Kidd trade.

Let me be clear I don't want Randolph either...but I would take him in a minute over Nene.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also a clarification on some numbers: Vince is guaranteed through 2011, ending salary of $17,522,375. There is a team option for 11-12 at $18,921,500, only part of which is guaranteed.

Nene is signed through 2011, ending salary of $11,360,000, with a player option for 11-12 at $11,600,000. Don't know how much of the player option year is guaranteed.

Both are under contract, then, for at least one year beyond the summer of 2010 when the big FA market is expected to hit.</div>

Still makes no sense to move Vince for a guy with a longer contract than he has.
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Oh I totally agree with that. I wasn't advocating the trade, just clarifying the numbers and terms.


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With good reason, since what I posted was wrong!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 19 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div>
It makes sense regardless...Miller can play both the two and three positions...
3 man rotation all at 32 minutes a piece...
keeps players healthy, happy, energized.

I actually like the idea of grabbing Miller as a Manu Ginobili type 6th man alot.
</div>

LOL. You beat me to it because I had to Google to find out what 96 divided by 3 was.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 19 2008, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 19 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 19 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's my question. It doesn't make sense to get Miller unless you trade Carter, right?</div>
It makes sense regardless...Miller can play both the two and three positions...
3 man rotation all at 32 minutes a piece...
keeps players healthy, happy, energized.

I actually like the idea of grabbing Miller as a Manu Ginobili type 6th man alot.
</div>

LOL. You beat me to it because I had to Google to find out what 96 divided by 3 was.

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LOL...I only knew because I proposed the trade when we still had Kidd.
I used a calculator.
 
According to Al Iannazzone: Here <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>two trade exceptions.</div>

I don't think its possible, I thought trade exceptions cannot be combined, but I could be wrong.

Back to my point.. if Memphis is mostly looking for expiring contracts, TE's are even better, no?
TEs don't have a salary to pay.

That could further facilitate a Mike Miller trade... which imho would rock.
The Nets haven't had a proven shooter since...
 
But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?
 
someone posted this:


vc to the knicks for fred jones, Balkman, malik rose
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 19 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?</div>

Denver doesn't really want him, but that isn't stopping the Nets from offering. Just like the Knicks continue to offer deals to the Nuggets.

As for Melo and AI, the Nuggets desperately need a shooter to space the floor with them. Mike Miller is their #1 target.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 19 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?</div>

Denver doesn't really want him, but that isn't stopping the Nets from offering. Just like the Knicks continue to offer deals to the Nuggets.

As for Melo and AI, the Nuggets desperately need a shooter to space the floor with them. Mike Miller is their #1 target.
</div>


Oh I see, silly me. I was under the impression that both sides were discussing such a deal. And Miller would compliment AI and Melo much better than Carter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 19 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 19 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But why would Denver want Carter? Could Melo, Iverson and Carter really coexist? Iverson and Melo bring in enough offense, and even if it is Nene, why not keep him as insurance big man?</div>

Denver doesn't really want him, but that isn't stopping the Nets from offering. Just like the Knicks continue to offer deals to the Nuggets.

As for Melo and AI, the Nuggets desperately need a shooter to space the floor with them. Mike Miller is their #1 target.
</div>

I think we're getting Mike Miller because Thorn just spoke w/ M&MD and said he expects him to be traded, Mike asked if a Northeast team would get him (*coughs* Nets) he said no I don't think so. (the art of misdirection)
 
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