Rumor Nets still interested in Crabbe

[dviss1]

Odds say otherwise.

Crabbe is good at 1 thing. You can't name another without being a Homer at best, a liar at worst.

He does nothing but shoot standstill jumpers and he only does that less than 2x per game.

He's not earning that cheddar. Let someone else pay him.

 

[dviss1]

Malachi Richardson
Bobby Portis
Jordan Adams
Mason Plumlee
Fab Melo
Kenneth Faried
Elliot Williams
Víctor Claver
Courtney Lee

It could be argued that Crabbe is better than any 22nd pick in the last 10 years. Only Lee/Faried/Plums are at is level.

Plums
Fried
Lee

All better IMO. Also, who gives a crap what happened in the past? That 4th 1St round pick could help us get PG or trade up for a lottery pick.

If Crabbe helps us get into the lottery then what?

 

[Scalma]

Crabbe is good at 1 thing. You can't name another without being a Homer at best, a liar at worst.

He does nothing but shoot standstill jumpers and he only does that less than 2x per game.

He's not earning that cheddar. Let someone else pay him.

You say this like shooting isnt the most coveted quality in the league right now. Just wait until you see the contract 33 year old JJ Redick gets.

 

[Scalma]

Plums
Fried
Lee

All better. And who gives a crap what happened in the past? That 4th pick could help us get PG or trade up for a lottery pick.

If crab helps us get into the lottery then what?

So 3 out of 9 qualifies as "probably?" In your eyes?

 

[TBpup]

You say this like shooting isnt the most coveted quality in the league right now. Just wait until you see the contract 33 year old JJ Redick gets.

Shooting is....infrequent/passive shooting isn't really a big deal.

 

[Scalma]

Olshey has mentioned Crabbe every time the core of his team has been discussed in the past year, right after dame, CJ, and now Nurk. He never mentions Meyers. Doesn't mention Turner either. It could be to drum up interest in Crabbe, but the more realistic scenario is that the team sees and appreciates his value more than some of you on this board do. Thank god.

 

[dviss1]

So 3 out of 9 qualifies as "probably?" In your eyes?

I just told you that I don't give a damn about the past. It means nothing to me. Tony Parker was selected with the 25th pick. Manu Ginobili and Draymond Green were second-rounders. Using the last number 22 picks to gauge this one doesn't make sense IMO. You have to use all the picks that came after the 22nd one as well. The bottom line is I as well as probably most in the Forum would love that deal. We could fill a position of need with a solid player if we pick correctly. Or we could package that pick up and get into the lottery. I would much rather do that then continue to overpay Allen Crabbe.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I just told you that I don't give a damn about the past. It means nothing to me. Tony Parker was selected with the 25th pick. Manu Ginobili and Draymond Green were second-rounders. Using the last number 22 picks to gauge this one doesn't make sense IMO. You have to use all the picks that came after the 22nd one as well. The bottom line is I as well as probably most in the Forum would love that deal. We could fill a position of need with a solid player if we pick correctly. Or we could package that pick up and get into the lottery. I would much rather do that then continue to overpay Allen Crabbe.

Sure and if i were to take all the picks 22-> from the last ten years, i could almost guarentee that < 20% (maybe even less than 10%) of them are still in the league. Whats your point? You're picking out 2-3 players out of hundreds

 

[dviss1]

Olshey has mentioned Crabbe every time the core of his team has been discussed in the past year, right after dame, CJ, and now Nurk. He never mentions Meyers. Doesn't mention Turner either. It could be to drum up interest in Crabbe, but the more realistic scenario is that the team sees and appreciates his value more than some of you on this board do. Thank god.

That's one way to think about it.

Another way would be that he doesn't want to disparage Crabbe so he can try to trade him.

Also, he's never said one thing about trading Meyers Leonard (link?) And, you've only heard rumors (nothing concrete) about trading Evan Turner Aminu, Davis, et all.

Did you feel like he was trading Plums? I knew he was going to have to decide whether or not to pay him in free agency but when he was actually traded that came out of left field for all of us. NO doesn't say who he's going to trade. When has he done that save Festus?

 

[dviss1]

Sure and if i were to take all the picks 22-> from the last ten years, i could almost guarentee that < 20% (maybe even less than 10%) of them are still in the league. Whats your point? You're picking out 2-3 players out of hundreds

My point is that the 22 is more valuable than Crabbe in my opinion. Do you think that he's more valuable? Cuz I certainly don't.

Crabbe is a one trick pony who makes WAY too much for his role on the team. All Season, that sixth man spot was just waiting for him to take control of it and he never did...

 

[Scalma]

I just told you that I don't give a damn about the past. It means nothing to me. Tony Parker was selected with the 25th pick. Manu Ginobili and Draymond Green were second-rounders. Using the last number 22 picks to gauge this one doesn't make sense IMO. You have to use all the picks that came after the 22nd one as well. The bottom line is I as well as probably most in the Forum would love that deal. We could fill a position of need with a solid player if we pick correctly. Or we could package that pick up and get into the lottery. I would much rather do that then continue to overpay Allen Crabbe.

When talking about probabilities, the past matters. And those handful of names you mentioned only helps my point.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Agreed that thread title should have a question mark at the end of it, or should otherwise be changed.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

My point is that the 22 is more valuable than Crabbe in my opinion. Do you think that he's more valuable? Cuz I certainly don't.

Crabbe is a one trick pony who makes WAY too much for his role on the team. All Season, that sixth man spot was just waiting for him to take control of it and he never did...

Great... if someone was to give us the 22nd for Crabbe straight up, I would think about it. I'm just attacking the thought that somehow Turner is more valuable than Crabbe. Also, you said that #22 by itself (not taking anything else in consideration, like moving up, his contract, etc) was probably better than Crabbe, and i don't agree with that.

 

[dviss1]

When you have the 22nd pick, you have the ability to choose any of the players left.

Don't come at me with that:

"The last 10 years the 22nd pick was" stuff without considering all the players that were picked and became great players after the 22nd pick. Naming only the 22s simply fits a false narrative.

 

[dviss1]

Great... if someone was to give us the 22nd for Crabbe straight up, I would think about it. I'm just attacking the thought that somehow Turner is more valuable than Crabbe. Also, you said that #22 by itself (not taking anything else in consideration, like moving up, his contract, etc) was probably better than Crabbe, and i don't agree with that.

Okay, so now you're making things up because I never said that Turner was more valuable than crap er.. Crabbe. That's a strawman you can argue with someone else about. And I did mention the fact that with the 22 we could move up into the lottery (which is the express reason why I would do it) You're quoting them but are you reading my posts?

 

[Scalma]

When you have the 22nd pick, you have the ability to choose any of the players left.

Don't come at me with that:

"The last 10 years the 22nd pick was" stuff without considering all the players that were picked and became great players after the 22nd pick. Naming only the 22s simply fits a false narrative.

"Let's trade CJ McCollum for the first pick because you could get a Kevin Durant second"

 

[dviss1]

When talking about probabilities, the past matters. And those handful of names you mentioned only helps my point.

It only matters when you don't leave out every single player that came after the 22nd pick. When you name only the 22nd picks that leaves out a whole selection of players that could have been drafted at the 22.

We could have had Kenneth Faried at the 21 but chose Smith instead.

 

[dviss1]

"Let's trade CJ McCollum for the first pick because you could get a Kevin Durant second"

Now you're off on some tangent. I don't even know what the hell you're talking about here. It's not making sense and the analogy is simply a poor one.

I'd much rather have:

15, 20, 22, 26

than

15, 20, 26, and Crabbe's bloated contract.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Okay, so now you're making things up because I never said that Turner was more valuable than crap er.. Crabbe. That's a strawman you can argue with someone else about. And I did mention the fact that with the 22 we could move up into the lottery (which is the express reason why I would do it) You're quoting them but are you reading my posts?

Sorry for the confusion, other posters, and in other threads, contend that Turner is better than Crabbe. Now, on your part, you said:

"ESPECIALLY since the #22, IMHO, will probably be a better player than Crabbe."

 

[Scalma]

Now you're off on some tangent. I don't even know what the hell you're talking about here. It's not making sense and the analogy is simply a poor one.

I'd much rather have:

15, 20, 22, 26

than

15, 20, 26, and Crabbe's bloated contract.

It makes about as much sense as you saying "don't ignore all those great players drafted after 22, unless they washed out, then who gives a damn."

As for the second part, agree to disagree.

 

[dviss1]

I think it's really silly that people in here wouldn't want to trade a reticent, SOFT, bloated contract having, fake 3&D guy for another pick in this deep ass draft.

 

[dviss1]

It makes about as much sense as you saying "don't ignore all those great players drafted after 22, unless they washed out, then who gives a damn."

As for the second part, agree to disagree.

It's hard to debate with someone when they continue to put words in your mouth that you know you didn't say.

Bottom line I cannot wait until Allen Crabbe is off this team.

 

[Scalma]

We have four guys we wouldn't have made the playoffs without. Crabbe is one of them. If you can't see or appreciate that, you are a HATER.

Just picture last years second unit without Crabbe. Picturing it? Thank you.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The only reason to trade Crabbe for a low first rounder is as part of a 3-way trade to clear cap space because the team sending us the player we want (e.g. Paul George) wants cap space in return. Otherwise he's a contributing player. Remember, (a) it's Paul Allen's money, not yours, and (b) it's not like clearing cap space is going to get us a free agent of any interest.

Now, if we're talking pick in the low teens, I'm more interested.

 

[Scalma]

It's hard to debate with someone when they continue to put words in your mouth that you know you didn't say.

Bottom line I cannot wait until Allen Crabbe is off this team.

You LITERALLY told me not to ignore all the great players drafted after 22. I did consider them, but I also considered the ones that washed out. Guess which group is bigger?

 

[Scalma]

And you literally said "I don't give a damn about the past" before going on and naming specific players...from the past. But only the successful ones. And then you want to talk to me about "fitting a narrative?" Naw.

 

[TBpup]

We have four guys we wouldn't have made the playoffs without. Crabbe is one of them. If you can't see or appreciate that, you are a HATER.

Just picture last years second unit without Crabbe. Picturing it? Thank you.

IMO, we have ONE (1) guy we wouldn't have made the playoffs without....Jusuf Nurkic. Without him, this team was 1/2 game out of the #7 Lottery position.

 

[dviss1]

We have four guys we wouldn't have made the playoffs without. Crabbe is one of them. If you can't see or appreciate that, you are a HATER.

Just picture last years second unit without Crabbe. Picturing it? Thank you.

Don't use the word out of context. No one's hating on Crabbe. He's just a one-dimensional player who I can't wait to see gone. I could give a fuck less what he did last year because it wasn't enough to earn his check!!

And newsflash:

We got to the playoffs because of one man only. And no, that man is not Damian Lillard...

 

[BonesJones]

If you can do AC for 22 or 27 you do it in a heartbeat. That opens up our full, $8M MLE. At 15, you likely take Jackson, who replaces AC, then use the savings to sign a PF like Amir Johnson.

If the Knicks really value Crabbe then I'd be trying to trade AC for O'Quinn+#45, attaching Meyers as well if possible.

 

[dviss1]

And you literally said "I don't give a damn about the past" before going on and naming specific players...from the past. But only the successful ones. And then you want to talk to me about "fitting a narrative?" Naw.

I had to bring those players up because you left them out. You only cared about number 22 picks. There's dozens of pics after that. You're not making sense... Especially when you're defending Allen Crabbe of all people... So now I'm just done.