Nets trying to trade Boki for Mike Miller?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets may not be done. One source said they were talking to the Grizzlies again about Mike Miller for pieces including Bostjan Nachbar and Magloire.</div>

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I guess they'd have to throw in another player and/or cash. I'm all for moving Magloire since they aren't going to use him. I like Boki, but if he's not in the plans past this season, might as well get something while they can.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ToddMacCulloch11 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess they'd have to throw in another player and/or cash. I'm all for moving Magloire since they aren't going to use him. I like Boki, but if he's not in the plans past this season, might as well get something while they can.</div>

Get 'er done. This would be a great deal. Mike Miller would be a Godsend for what the Nets want to do. He is the epitome of a pure shooter.
 
This is interesting. Do they follow this with that rumored Carter for JO?

If they do, not sure I like Harris as the primary ball handler in an O.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is interesting. Do they follow this with that rumored Carter for JO?

If they do, not sure I like Harris as the primary ball handler in an O.

-Petey</div>

I am not at all surprised that the Nets are trying to move Magloire and Boki. That they are asking about Mike Miller kind of implies that they are not tanking the season, which is fascinating.

The Carter-for-JON deal just doesn't make any sense to me. How will you juggle minutes between JON, Krstic, Boone, Smokey, and Diop and Swift, if you think they'll contribute. Even if they have no plans to resign Diop, the only way this would make any sense is if they have already decided that they won't resign Krstic, and that Swift doesn't really have a future here. I just don't get it. It seems to be a bigger step backwards than forwards.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 14 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is interesting. Do they follow this with that rumored Carter for JO?

If they do, not sure I like Harris as the primary ball handler in an O.

-Petey</div>

I am not at all surprised that the Nets are trying to move Magloire and Boki. That they are asking about Mike Miller kind of implies that they are not tanking the season, which is fascinating.

The Carter-for-JON deal just doesn't make any sense to me. How will you juggle minutes between JON, Krstic, Boone, Smokey, and Diop and Swift, if you think they'll contribute. Even if they have no plans to resign Diop, the only way this would make any sense is if they have already decided that they won't resign Krstic, and that Swift doesn't really have a future here. I just don't get it. It seems to be a bigger step backwards than forwards.
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I'm shocked. Miller isn't going to make much of an impact. In fact adding more offensive weapons w/o having the proper person to put the ball in his or her hands isn't going to make it a stronger squad, maybe even take touches from Krstic, Williams, Boone.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 14 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is interesting. Do they follow this with that rumored Carter for JO?

If they do, not sure I like Harris as the primary ball handler in an O.

-Petey</div>

I am not at all surprised that the Nets are trying to move Magloire and Boki. That they are asking about Mike Miller kind of implies that they are not tanking the season, which is fascinating.

The Carter-for-JON deal just doesn't make any sense to me. How will you juggle minutes between JON, Krstic, Boone, Smokey, and Diop and Swift, if you think they'll contribute. Even if they have no plans to resign Diop, the only way this would make any sense is if they have already decided that they won't resign Krstic, and that Swift doesn't really have a future here. I just don't get it. It seems to be a bigger step backwards than forwards.
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I'm shocked. Miller isn't going to make much of an impact. In fact adding more offensive weapons w/o having the proper person to put the ball in his or her hands isn't going to make it a stronger squad, maybe even take touches from Krstic, Williams, Boone.

-Petey
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Her?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 14 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is interesting. Do they follow this with that rumored Carter for JO?

If they do, not sure I like Harris as the primary ball handler in an O.

-Petey</div>

I am not at all surprised that the Nets are trying to move Magloire and Boki. That they are asking about Mike Miller kind of implies that they are not tanking the season, which is fascinating.

The Carter-for-JON deal just doesn't make any sense to me. How will you juggle minutes between JON, Krstic, Boone, Smokey, and Diop and Swift, if you think they'll contribute. Even if they have no plans to resign Diop, the only way this would make any sense is if they have already decided that they won't resign Krstic, and that Swift doesn't really have a future here. I just don't get it. It seems to be a bigger step backwards than forwards.
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I don't get the Carter for JON talk either. Without Kidd now I don't mind having Carter. I think him and Harris will make a good backcourt.

And without another SG on the roster it makes no sense. Miller is too slow to defend guards. I can see him off the bench covering either the 2 or the 3, but I wouldn't put him at the 2 for long stretches. It would depend on the match-up.

With the salary savings of Kidd gone Miller will be a good fit. Hope they can get Lowry too and dump Marcus.
 
Carter for JON is doubtful at best. JON is a cripple right now. He isn't going to miraculously heal in a week. I honestly vote that this team gives their current big man rotation a try instead of crippling either Boone or SWAT's development by eventually putting a soft, candy ass loafter in the 4 spot for 35 minutes a game. We have saved some money in the cap. We can target a scoring big in the off-season if thats what they deem as their primary need.

Harris, Carter, RJ, Boone, Krstic with Miller, Swift, George, Diop et al. coming off the bench is better than

Harris, Miller, RJ, JON, Krstic with George as our primary swing off teh bench.
 
JO deal is not goin to happen. Thorn is not goin to trade away a healthy player for an oft injured one that makes more than carter. no way! if anything theyll try and trade carter for a package like they got for kidd not to bring in a bigger salary.

I like this mike miller trade if it goes through, both boki and miller are the same age
Miller has 3 yrs left at $8million per so its not that bad of a contract to take on.

The deal would have to look like this to work Boki, Magloire, and DA
ESPN TRADE MACHINE

Memphis would rid themselves completly of millers contract becuz they would receive 3 expiring contracts. With the kidd trade our team would look like this

Harris/Marcus
VC/Miller/Ager
RJ/George
Kristic/ Swat/ Swift
Boone/Diop
 
maybe they're clearing a roster spot to sign Bobby Jones.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 14 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>maybe they're clearing a roster spot to sign Bobby Jones.</div>

do you mean the grizzlies or the nets?

we would be at 12 players if both trades were to happen, which is cool i guess no one would be on the inactive list unless someone got injured
 
i thought it was great to get miller WITH kidd here. with him gone i would still like to get him. this year has been a clusterfuck all year and im sure it will finish that way. i've said this before, now i think we gotta move vince's contract to gain more flexibility.

vince for JO, i think this would be a pray 10x a day type of trade. JO's salary ends a year earlier than vince's. that is when you can clear cap for someone named LeBron (yes i know its not happening, but if your management you gotta put yourself in a position to get one of the most dominant players in the game and one of the most marketable players for brooklyn).

like many people i've grown frustrated with vince and what scares me is what vince will look like in a year or two. i rather take a chance on big man getting paid big money than vince. i really dont see getting JO as making us instant contenders, but if JO could get healthy he would be more valuable to us with harris and if we get miller. i would also, if we get JO, would tell him to just shut it down this year. let him take as much time as possible to get as healthy as possible and hopefully we can get a good draft pick to add to this team next year.

it seems like at one point we were stuck without any leverage or flexibility. now all the sudden we are talkin about draft picks, expiring contracts, younger guys coming in without going into a full rebuilding mode with 22 year olds. you know this franchise wants to stay somewhat competitive and have someone to market, so at least JO would be a big name that you would bring back for vince.

it sure has been an interesting 24-48 hours. if we could end up with harris and miller by all-star break it think that would be amazing work done by rod and kiki. im sure memphis is getting better offers though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 14 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 14 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is interesting. Do they follow this with that rumored Carter for JO?

If they do, not sure I like Harris as the primary ball handler in an O.

-Petey</div>

I am not at all surprised that the Nets are trying to move Magloire and Boki. That they are asking about Mike Miller kind of implies that they are not tanking the season, which is fascinating.

The Carter-for-JON deal just doesn't make any sense to me. How will you juggle minutes between JON, Krstic, Boone, Smokey, and Diop and Swift, if you think they'll contribute. Even if they have no plans to resign Diop, the only way this would make any sense is if they have already decided that they won't resign Krstic, and that Swift doesn't really have a future here. I just don't get it. It seems to be a bigger step backwards than forwards.
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I'm shocked. Miller isn't going to make much of an impact. In fact adding more offensive weapons w/o having the proper person to put the ball in his or her hands isn't going to make it a stronger squad, maybe even take touches from Krstic, Williams, Boone.

-Petey
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Her?
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Haha, some aspect of work was reflective in that post.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This makes no sense.

Thorn and Kiki should be trying to clear cap.</div>

JO has a shorter contract than Carter.

-Petey
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This makes no sense.

Thorn and Kiki should be trying to clear cap.</div>

JO has a shorter contract than Carter.

-Petey
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I'm talking about Mike Miller.
 
Come on people, we bitch all the time about not having a shooter.

I like Mike Miller, and if we can move Carter, he's a perfect backcourt-pairing with Harris.

Harris-Miller-RJ-Boone-Diop is a very, very nice starting 5. I'd be very happy with that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 14 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 14 2008, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This makes no sense.

Thorn and Kiki should be trying to clear cap.</div>

JO has a shorter contract than Carter.

-Petey
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I'm talking about Mike Miller.
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Oh. Miller for Boki and Magloire is a steal.

Miller can help clear bigger problems down the line.

-Petey
 
better offers? their main concern is to clear cap space. I dont kno how many teams out there are in the same position or even have the expiring contracts like we do to make this possible. It works out perfectly for both teams
 
He's the perfect fit with Devin Harris. Look how open Dirk is when Harris kicks it back to him. It would be nice to have a three point threat when that happens.
 
This would be a great trade for us. One of the biggest detriments this season has been our bench scoring, and Miller would solve that problem easily. Here he would be used in a similar fashion to Manu Ginobili and would be a 6th man of the year quality player. Harris is a really good young PG. With Swat and Swift providing energy off the Bench with Miller and Marcus we would have one of the best if not the best second units in the league.

While Harris would be a drop off at PG this season, he will be an improvement from Jkidd in the coming seasons. These trades make us younger, deeper and give us more flexibility with the cap. I don't think that we should trade Vince this season...I won't kill Thorn if Jermaine O'neal is healthy and we trade for him but I'd like a half season to see what this lineup could do.

PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams
SG: Vince Carter, Mike Miller
SF: Richard Jefferson, Deaven George
PF: Nenad Krstic, Sean Williams
C: Josh Boone, Stromile Swift, Diop

That looks like a very good team to me.
 
that is not a very good team, it a start at what could become a good team.

that lineup is still .500 and spells of a 1st rd or 2nd rd exit in the eastern confernce playoffs

whats sad about the east is that because there are so many bad teams you could still be a playoff team with a losing record! just pathetic
 
Two possible scenarios.

NJ-Mem-Ind

NJ out: Magloire, Nachbar, M. Williams, 2nd rd pick, $3mm cash
NJ in: Miller, Lowry

Mem out: Miller, Lowry
Mem in: Magloire, Nachbar, Diogu, NJ 2nd rd pick

Indy out: Diogu
Indy in: M. Williams


NJ-Mem-Clips

NJ out: Magloire, Nachbar, M. Williams, 2nd rd pick
NJ in: Miller, Lowry

Mem out: Miller, Lowry, Cardinal, 2nd rd pick
Mem in: Cassell, Magloire, Nachbar, NJ 2nd rd pick

Clips out: Cassell
Clips in: M. Williams, Cardinal, Mem 2nd rd pick, $3mm cash

In the first scenario Memphis gets out of Millers contract and gets a big for Lowry, Indy gets a pg in Williams. In the 2nd scenario the Clips get their pg in Williams but they have to take on Cardinal and Memphis gets out of Cardinal's deal.
 
Let's just have Thron and Kinki go over to Memphis and have a beer with Chris "house-cleaning" Wallace. I heard that's how Mitch got Pau.
 
those deals make sense for memphis and the nets, but i dont see it workin out for the other teams

i mean idk if the pacers are lookin to movie an expiring contract in Diogu for marcus williams

and for the clips im not sure if they want to take on any salary, thats what so difficult about gettin a 3 team trade done
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Feb 14 2008, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>those deals make sense for memphis and the nets, but i dont see it workin out for the other teams

i mean idk if the pacers are lookin to movie an expiring contract in Diogu for marcus williams

and for the clips im not sure if they want to take on any salary, thats what so difficult about gettin a 3 team trade done</div>
Both Indy and the Clips need a pg for the future and both have been interested in Marcus.

Indy one I think is more feasible, but I'm not sure if Memphis does any deal that doesn't get rid of Cardinal's contract. That's why i came up with the Clip one. Depends how desperate they are if they would want Cardinal's deal, but I include cash from the Nets to Clips (just realized I forgot to put that in the post). Since the Nets save cash this year on the Kidd trade I figured they could send the $3mm to help with Cardinal.
 
If a post-Kidd trade of either Carter or Jefferson is contemplated, the Nets would be stupid if it weren't Jefferson. His value right now, with his career year in scoring and him finally healthy, is as high as it will ever be. Trade him before people find out how much of his success was due to leaking out early and having Kidd rebound the ball, dribble once, and fire ahead so he could go one on one to get a basket or a foul. Without Kidd, RJ's value is going to plummet pretty fast, partly because his morale will suffer at not getting the same kind of early offense opportunities

On the other hand, Vince's value could only go up from its current abysmal state because of his injury/poor performance the first half of the season. Furthermore, Carter is much more capable than Jefferson of producing at his customary level without Kidd simply because Kidd's and Carter's games were never very complimentary to begin with.
 
yes, I wanted Miller on our team with Kidd...I'll take him without Kidd too. this would be a very good deal. A big improvment. There's no need for Mags at all anymore, and Miller is a step up from Boki. I really hope this goes through...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 14 2008, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If a post-Kidd trade of either Carter or Jefferson is contemplated, the Nets would be stupid if it weren't Jefferson. His value right now, with his career year in scoring and him finally healthy, is as high as it will ever be. Trade him before people find out how much of his success was due to leaking out early and having Kidd rebound the ball, dribble once, and fire ahead so he could go one on one to get a basket or a foul. Without Kidd, RJ's value is going to plummet pretty fast, partly because his morale will suffer at not getting the same kind of early offense opportunities

On the other hand, Vince's value could only go up from its current abysmal state because of his injury/poor performance the first half of the season. Furthermore, Carter is much more capable than Jefferson of producing at his customary level without Kidd simply because Kidd's and Carter's games were never very complimentary to begin with.</div>
Harris is good on the break. Speed demon. Now that the team is younger I don't see them turning into a halfcourt offense. Not with players like Sean, Boone, and Swift upfront. I think Carter is still needed in the halfcourt, but I don't see this trade as having that big of an impact on the style the team will try to play.
 

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