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Obama's ad is along the same lines of his previous ads, and adds a good twist of humor. Although, I don't know if being computer-savvy is a qualification for President.

McCain's ad is pathetic. Taking portions of comments made by Obama and trying to turn them into sexist remarks. What's interesting to me is what McCain is doing with this ad and, in general, his entire campaign. He has basically elevated Palin to a level where she now has the power to win or lose the election for him. I don't think its smart strategy because it hasn't been proven yet how she will sit with the American voters once the honeymoon is over. People now care more about her than McCain, and if you didn't know any better, you'd think the ticket was Palin-McCain.

The ad, itself, goes along with a strategy Hillary used at one point in the primary campaign. It can be effective, but they have to make sure they don't go over the top with it.
 
The Republicans realise that they lose on the issues.
 
The Republicans realise that they lose on the issues.

Neither side wins on the real issues

The issues for the sheep are very simple: the dems preach change and the republican preach keeping the government in other people's bedrooms
 
After watching these damn ads, is Palin running for president?
 
Although, I don't know if being computer-savvy is a qualification for President.
Well first off you are probably right about that, most Presidents probably delegate all their typing of documents, and emails to a secretary or someone else.

But secondly, computers were craptacular, judging someone on their computer savviness in 1982 is dumb lol and only about 2.1% (including older crappy models) of the population had one . I'm guessing that like 95+% of politicians didn't use email back them and 100% of them didn't use the internet (didn't exist yet in really crappy form until the late 80s early 90s).

Windows didn't even exist yet: Windows 1.0 came out in 1985, Windows 2.0 in 1987, Windows 3.0 in 1990, and Windows 3.1 in 1992.

http://www.islandnet.com/~KPOLSSON/comphist/comp1982.htm
Looking at this website, there were probably about 4-5 million personal computers total in the US, by the end of 1982.

So say 5 million out of 232 million, that is 2.1% of Americans had a PC lol.

How disrespectful!
yea lol. Strong words :P
 
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Long article. Read the bolded part, and note the date.

http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1] [SIZE=+2]McCain character loyal to a fault[/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT] <wire_source> [FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1] By Mary Leonard, Globe Staff, 3/4/2000 [/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT]</wire_source>
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]TEMPE, Ariz. - Facing a threat that his homosexuality would be exposed by Christian conservatives at a city council meeting, Mayor Neil Giuliano did what he thought was nobody's business: He held a press conference and declared, ''I happen to be gay.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]The reaction of Arizona's senior senator, John McCain, was swift and angry.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''John was the first to tell the religious right, 'This doesn't make a damned bit of difference,''' Giuliano said, remembering how McCain went out of his way to call him a good mayor and a great friend. ''Politically in Arizona, McCain should have done just the opposite. Instead, he came right to my defense. He's a loyal friend.''[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]GOP presidential candidate John McCain has a pattern of putting his heart ahead of his head and even his political judgment. Peel off the pretense of a cocky fighter pilot and a prickly politician, those who know him well say, and what really shapes John McCain is his loyalty to family and friends and a fierce sense of duty to defend underdogs under attack.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Today McCain will be in Boston seeking support in Tuesday's GOP primary in Massachusetts. He has been in hot water this week for his highly personal lashing of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, who he said he believes have dishonored him with their negative attacks. McCain was forced to apologize after calling the two Christian conservative leaders ''forces of evil,'' and then he faced new questions about his temperament to be president.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''I don't think it should be a source of worry,'' McCain said during a candidates debate Thursday night, ''but anything is fair game, as I've found out during this campaign.''[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]To admirers like Giuliano, McCain's sensitivity, generosity, and loyalty are the hallmarks of his character. To targets of his outrage, McCain's thin skin is his fatal flaw.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''His greatest strength is also his greatest weakness,'' said Mike Hellon of Tucson, a state GOP leader who has known McCain for two decades. ''John is impatient with fools. Particularly if people are acting improperly or in a self-serving fashion, he can be very difficult. He puts loyalty first, even when it is not in his best interest.''[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Lisa Graham Keegan, Arizona's superintendent of public instruction, was close to McCain until she publicly called for the resignation of Governor Fife Symington after he was indicted for bank fraud in 1996. McCain, who stood by his friend Symington, considered Keegan disloyal, told her so in no uncertain terms, and shut her out of his political circle.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''He was right: I was disloyal, and I meant to be,'' said Keegan, who is so sure McCain would be a good president that she recently arranged a meeting in which both apologized for the falling out.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Now, Keegan frequently travels with McCain's campaign and advises him on education policy. ''He's never going to win the Miss Congeniality award or take you to lunch, but he is always looking to do the right thing.'' she said.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain had values drilled into him by a father and grandfather who were decorated Navy admirals and adhered to a rigid military code of honor, duty, and country. He's a proud graduate of the Naval Academy (though, McCain ruefully notes, he was a hell-raiser who barely squeaked through). And he had a profound lesson in allies and enemies as a tortured prisoner of war in Vietnam for 51/2 years.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Bruce Merrill, the pollster in McCain's first congressional campaign in 1982, said he respects and admires the senator's compelling history. But like others who have been in combat with McCain, Merrill has been awed by his ambition and alienated by his self-righteous ''in your face, do it my way or you'll pay a hell of a penalty'' style.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''He is a very forceful, dynamic person, and in 30 years of political consulting, I have never seen a candidate as driven as John McCain,'' said Merrill, a professor at Arizona State University in Tempe. ''He is a crusader, and the mythology that has built up here - that he divides the world into his camp or the enemy camp - is consistent with a crusade.''[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain saw enemies challenging all his relationships - friends, family, fellow veterans - during the bitter, losing primary fight last month in South Carolina. There was Texas Governor George W. Bush, failing to renounce a supporter who accused McCain of disloyalty to veterans. There was Robertson, in a taped telephone message, calling McCain's friend, the former New Hampshire Senator Warren Rudman, ''a vicious bigot.'' And there were strident voices all over the airwaves, spreading ugly stories about his wife and children.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Barreling down a South Carolina highway on the campaign bus, aides showed McCain a flier filled with personal smears that had been circulated at an event earlier in the day. McCain snatched the leaflet before his wife, Cindy, could read it.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''Why upset her unnecessarily?'' McCain snapped. ''Like most wives, she doesn't want to see those things said about her husband.'' [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]The McCains were deeply and personally offended by Bush's visit to Bob Jones University, which bans interracial dating, and by rumors about their ''black child.'' On a relief mission to Bangladesh in 1991, Cindy McCain claimed an orphan who was so severely disfigured by a cleft lip and palate that she was unable to eat. She brought 2-month-old Bridget home to Phoenix, where the McCains adopted the baby and nursed her through a dozen operations.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''What people miss about John is that behind the tough, fighter facade is a deeply sensitive person, and things really hurt him,'' said Everett Alvarez Jr., who was a fellow POW in Vietnam.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Uncomfortable war hero[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Orson Swindle, McCain's neighbor in the Hanoi Hilton, blinked back tears when he recalled McCain's reaction to winning the New Hampshire primary last month. ''Amid all the electricity that night, John got incredibly solemn,'' Swindle said. ''He came over and looked me straight in the eye, as if to say, `My God, look how far we have come and what we have done.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain has never been comfortable as a war hero, honored and greeted with adulation, Swindle said, when so many other Vietnam combat veterans came home to no warm welcome at all. ''That wound is still with a lot of us,'' said Swindle, adding that it probably fuels McCain's strong sense of injustice.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]But McCain's loyalties have at times blurred his political judgment. At the request of Charles H. Keating Jr., a Phoenix developer and political benefactor, McCain met in 1987 with federal bank regulators who were closing in on Keating's shaky Lincoln Savings & Loan Association. After an investigation of McCain and four other senators, the Senate Ethics Committee reprimanded McCain, though concluded he did not act improperly. Still, it appeared McCain had catered to the kind of special interest he now decries.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Another strong and unlikely relationship was at work in 1992, when McCain supported a Senate bill allowing fetal-tissue research. His good friend and Democratic mentor, Representative Morris K. Udall, was suffering from Parkinson's disease, and Udall's family convinced McCain fetal tissue showed some promise as a cure. Antiabortion activists still are attacking McCain for his vote.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain and Jim Kolbe ran for the US House from separate Arizona districts in 1982, but only McCain won. Two years later, when Kolbe ran again, McCain ignored the political convention that you don't campaign against an incumbent and went door-to-door for his friend Kolbe until he was too exhausted to stand up straight. Kolbe won.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Kolbe called McCain first as he prepared in 1996 to disclose his homosexuality. ''Before I got two words out, John said, `I know what this is about, and it doesn't matter,''' Kolbe said. ''He wasn't shocked or offended.''[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain stands out as having one of the most loyal and long-serving staffs on Capitol Hill. Aides say he doesn't micromanage, but he does solicit their views, inquire about their children, pummel them with smart-aleck insults, and work them to the bone, the same way the 63-year-old McCain works himself.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]On the day of the South Carolina primary, McCain telephoned Deb Gullett, a longtime aide and his Arizona campaign manager, to tell her he was losing that hard-fought contest. [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''He called to ask me how I was doing, to make sure we were fine, and I just wanted to cry,'' Gullett said. ''He also said, `By the way, get your dead asses back to work,' and that is a direct quote.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Mark Salter, McCain's chief of staff, said his boss isn't cozy with his Senate colleagues because he gores their sacred cows and ''won't treat them like movie stars, with exaggerated courtesy.'' Salter, who has worked for McCain for 11 years and coauthored his best-selling biography, ''Faith of My Fathers,'' attributed reports of the senator's hot temper to ''legend-padding.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Family first[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Senator John Kerry says he and McCain forged a bond as Vietnam veterans and he respects him as a loyal friend. ''I enjoy his company, John's a funny guy,'' the Massachusetts Democrat said. ''Most of the bad things you hear come from people he's put on the spot.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Kolbe said McCain got better at controlling his temper in the wake of three unnerving and very personal events. One was the Keating scandal, which he saw as an assault on his honor. A second was the discovery that his wife had been addicted to prescription painkillers from 1989 to 1992 and had stolen drugs from her family's charitable foundation. A third was a 1993 diagnosis of malignant melanoma, the most lethal type of skin cancer. McCain had the cancerous mole removed from his shoulder, and no melanoma has recurred, according to his medical records.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''Those things were pretty scary for him, and he really refocused his life and realized what a blessing his family was to him,'' Kolbe said.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain blames himself for the breakup of his first marriage. McCain wanted a fuller, faster life than he found back home with his first wife. Carol Shepp McCain, who lives in the Washington area, has spoken kindly of her former husband, says she supports his candidacy, and attributes their divorce to ''John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain did what he believed was honorable: He provided generously for Carol, who had been seriously injured in a car accident during his captivity, and their three children, including two adopted sons from her previous marriage. ''If you can ever have an amicable divorce, this one was,'' said George ''Bud'' Day, a lawyer and POW friend who drew up the papers in 1980.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]A month after the divorce, McCain married Cindy Hensley, 24, an heiress to a Phoenix beer-distribution fortune, and part of a politically well-connected family. They have four school-aged children who McCain dotes on and disciplines in a way his own father never did.[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]
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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]The grown children from his first marriage - Doug, Andy, and Sydney Ann - are campaigning for McCain, and Andy works for the Hensley family's company in Phoenix.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain sent leatherbound copies of his biography to Doug's children, autographing them ''The Old Geezer.'' ''The kindergarten teacher admonished my daughter to stop calling her grandfather that,'' said Doug, a former Navy flier who is now a commercial airline pilot in Virginia Beach, Va. ''She said, `but that's what he likes to be called.'''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]For a geezer, McCain is as energized as a Boy Scout leader around his children, camping, hiking, fishing, swimming, and grilling the food at their weekend cabin near Sedona, Ariz. On the campaign bus, the youngsters are either fighting McCain for the last potato chip in the bag or giving him a hard time.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''Pork-barrel spender!'' Jimmy McCain, 11, yells at Jack, his 13-year-old brother. Jimmy's not sure what the expression means, but it sounds funny and besides, he's heard his candidate-father bellow it hundreds of times. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Betsy Cuming, an old friend from Yuma, said the family lives in Phoenix, not Washington, because McCain thinks the children of elected officials get coddled, spoiled, and too often uprooted. Sharon Harper, the McCain's neighbor in Phoenix, said McCain wants to be president for a very personal reason: To restore honor to the military before all or some of his children are old enough to serve. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]After Vietnam, McCain had Ann Lawrence, a physical therapist, help him regain flexibility in his leg, which had been frozen in an extended position by a shattered knee. It was the only way he could hope to resume his career as a Navy flier, but Lawrence said the treatment, taken twice a week for six months, was excruciatingly painful.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''He endured it, he wouldn't settle for less,'' said Lawrence, who rejoiced with McCain when he passed the Navy physical. ''I have never seen such toughness and resolve.''[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain's determination was evident to Lawrence in another way. During the therapy, he insisted his ''physical terrorist'' was the perfect match for one of his POW buddies, William Lawrence. She resisted, McCain persisted, and the Lawrences were married months after McCain forced them to meet at his home over dinner.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]McCain says his campaign is ''a noble mission,'' and those close to him believe he has brought to it the same character traits - toughness, endurance, even risk-taking - that Ann Lawrence observed many years ago.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]''He has a zest for life that sometimes can drive the rest of us nuts,'' said Cindy McCain, who reluctantly signed onto her husband's presidential express last fall, not really expecting it to become this runaway train. ''When we're exhausted, John says, `There's more to the day - let's go!'''[/SIZE][/FONT]
 
Well first off you are probably right about that, most Presidents probably delegate all their typing of documents, and emails to a secretary or someone else.

But secondly, computers were craptacular, judging someone on their computer savviness in 1982 is dumb lol and only about 2.1% (including older crappy models) of the population had one . I'm guessing that like 95+% of politicians didn't use email back them and 100% of them didn't use the internet (didn't exist yet in really crappy form until the late 80s early 90s).

Windows didn't even exist yet: Windows 1.0 came out in 1985, Windows 2.0 in 1987, Windows 3.0 in 1990, and Windows 3.1 in 1992.

http://www.islandnet.com/~KPOLSSON/comphist/comp1982.htm
Looking at this website, there were probably about 4-5 million personal computers total in the US, by the end of 1982.

So say 5 million out of 232 million, that is 2.1% of Americans had a PC lol.
McCain said that in July of 2008, not 1982.
 
McCain said that in July of 2008, not 1982.
hahhahaha. Oops, I figured they were referring to 1982 still, and that he had been in Washington 26 years prior to 1982 (he's old enough for the possibility.) I have to admit I'm surprized. I mean sending an email isn't all that hard. Unless it`s more than 500 words and you have to type it by the hunt and pick method.
 
That was one of the most pathetic attack ads from McCain. Lol, those quotes were DAMN short. Seriously, one word insults?

Meh, I wasn't in love with Obama's either, but it was slightly better. :]
 
That was one of the most pathetic attack ads from McCain. Lol, those quotes were DAMN short. Seriously, one word insults?

Meh, I wasn't in love with Obama's either, but it was slightly better. :]
Seriously, it was hilarious "...lying...".
 
Im not a democrat nor a republican. Shit, i dont even believe in politics. But i think that barack got too much dirt(wright and the terrorist) on him. I'd run a clean campaign if i were him. I wont be surprised if the mccain camp throw wright in one of their ads in early october.
 
Handicapped people don't use computers?

;)
 
Seriously, it was hilarious "...lying...".
haha I like the narrator:

"they dismissed her as "good looking"....that backfired....so they said she was doing "what she was told"...and desperately called Sarah Palin a liar. How disrespectful! And how Gov. Sarah Palin proves them wrong everyday."

WTF? Sarah Palin proves that she is not good looking everyday?


Also, I love how the "...lying..." quote says it came from an Obama youtube ad, not even from him, himself.
 
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This is a decent example of the way McCain is misleading with his ads. It's too bad the "sheep" will never know the difference.
 
I actually read the Bill in question. Obama struck out 6-12th grade and replaced it with K-12, throughout. And it does teach sex education to 5 year olds, including how to not get AIDS (use condoms during sex, etc.). Can't we let 5 year olds be 5 year olds instead of political pawns?
 
Im not a democrat nor a republican. Shit, i dont even believe in politics. But i think that barack got too much dirt(wright and the terrorist) on him. I'd run a clean campaign if i were him. I wont be surprised if the mccain camp throw wright in one of their ads in early october.


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I actually read the Bill in question. Obama struck out 6-12th grade and replaced it with K-12, throughout. And it does teach sex education to 5 year olds, including how to not get AIDS (use condoms during sex, etc.). Can't we let 5 year olds be 5 year olds instead of political pawns?

Mr. Obama voted for the bill in committee, where it passed, but it never came to a full and final vote. The proposal called for “age and developmentally appropriate” sex education and also allowed parents the option of withdrawing their children from such classroom instruction if they felt that it clashed with their beliefs or values.
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“I have a 6-year-old daughter and a 3-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean,” Mr. Obama said in 2004. “And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age.”
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The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by “comprehensive.” The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.
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In another part of the advertisement, Mr. McCain maintains that Mr. Obama’s sole achievement in education was the sex-education bill. In reality, Mr. Obama not only helped administer a $49 million education project in Chicago in the 1990s, but also sponsored or co-sponsored measures that increased the number of charter schools in Illinois, and expanded federal grants to summer school programs and to historically black colleges.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/u...bl&ex=1221278400&en=139555dd265b8c71&ei=5087
 
I did not read the bill. Nevertheless, here is the NYTimes' take on this:

Escalating its efforts to portray Senator Barack Obama as a candidate whose values fall outside the mainstream, the campaign of Senator John McCain on Tuesday unveiled a new television advertisement claiming that Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee, favors “comprehensive sex education” for kindergarten students.

“Learning about sex before learning to read?” the narrator asks in the 30-second advertisement, which the campaign says will be shown in battleground states and on national cable. The commercial also asserts that a sex-education bill introduced in Illinois, which Mr. Obama did not sponsor and which never became law, is his “one accomplishment” in the field of education.

Both sets of accusations, however, seriously distort the record.

The original controversy dates to 2003, when a bill to modify the teaching of sex education in Illinois was introduced in the Legislature. The proposal was supported by a coalition of education and public health organizations, including the Illinois Parent Teacher Association, the Illinois State Medical Society, the Illinois Public Health Association and the Illinois Education Association.

Mr. Obama voted for the bill in committee, where it passed, but it never came to a full and final vote. The proposal called for “age and developmentally appropriate” sex education and also allowed parents the option of withdrawing their children from such classroom instruction if they felt that it clashed with their beliefs or values.

In referring to the sex-education bill, the McCain campaign is largely recycling old and discredited accusations made against Mr. Obama by Alan Keyes in their 2004 Senate race. At that time, Mr. Obama stated that he understood the main objective of the legislation, as it pertained to kindergarteners, to be to teach them how to defend themselves against sexual predators.

“I have a 6-year-old daughter and a 3-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean,” Mr. Obama said in 2004. “And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age.”

It is a misstatement of the bill’s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, “medically accurate” education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.

The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by “comprehensive.” The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.

ABC News:

Obama was asked his position on sex education and he mimicked an attack that was launched on him in his 2004 Senate campaign by Republican Alan Keyes.

"Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners," said Obama mimicking Keyes' distinctive style of speech. "Which -- I didn't know what to tell him (laughter)."

"But it's the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

When Obama's campaign was asked last year by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers "age appropriate" for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald.

"'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,'" Obama told the Daily Herald. "'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"

The legislation Obama supported also envisioned teaching kindergarteners about how to recognize "inappropriate touching."

Factcheck.org:

A McCain-Palin campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" in the area of education was "legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergarteners." But the claim is simply false, and it dates back to Alan Keyes' failed race against Obama for an open Senate seat in 2004.

Obama, contrary to the ad's insinuation, does not support explicit sex education for kindergarteners. And the bill, which would have allowed only "age appropriate" material and a no-questions-asked opt-out policy for parents, was not his accomplishment to claim in any case, since he was not even a cosponsor – and the bill never left the state Senate.

In addition, the ad quotes unflattering assessments of the Illinois senator's record on education but leaves out sometimes equally harsh criticism directed at McCain in the same forums.

Analysis
The ad is called "Education" and has received a good bit of free airtime, having been run repeatedly on cable news networks. It pairs pictures of kindergarten children with Obama looking confused.


A Factual Failure

McCain-Palin 2008 Ad: "Education"

Announcer: Education Week says Obama “hasn’t made a significant mark on education.” That he’s “elusive” on accountability. “A staunch defender of the existing public school monopoly.” Obama’s one accomplishment? Legislation to teach “comprehensive sex education” to kindergarteners. Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family.

John McCain: I’m John McCain and I approved this message.The ad claims "Obama's one accomplishment" in the realm of education was "legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergarteners."

It's true that the phrase "comprehensive sex education" appeared in the bill, but little else in McCain's claim is accurate. The ad refers to a bill Obama supported in the Illinois state Senate to update the sex education curriculum and make it "medically accurate." It would have lowered the age at which students would begin what the bill termed "comprehensive sex education" to include kindergarten. But it mandated the instruction be "age-appropriate" for kindergarteners when addressing topics such as sexually transmitted diseases. The bill also would have granted parents the opportunity to remove their children from the class without question:

SB 99: However, no pupil shall be required to take or participate in any family life class or course on HIV AIDS or family life instruction if his parent or guardian submits written objection thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of such pupil.

The bill also called for all sex education course materials to include information that would help students recognize, among other activities, inappropriate touching, sexual assault and rape:

SB99: Course material and instruction shall discuss and provide
for the development of positive communication skills to maintain healthy relationships and avoid unwanted sexual activity. ... Course material and instruction shall teach pupils ... how to say no to unwanted sexual advances ... and shall include information about verbal, physical, and visual sexual harassment, including without limitation nonconsensual sexual advances, nonconsensual physical sexual contact, and rape by an acquaintance. The course material and instruction shall contain methods of preventing sexual assault by an acquaintance, including exercising good judgment and avoiding behavior that impairs one's judgment.

The bill passed in the Health and Human Services Committee with Democrats, including Obama, voting along party lines in support of it. But the measure promptly stalled and died in the full Senate, and no action has been taken on it since late 2005.

Obama is often quoted as saying that when it comes to sex education in public schools, “it’s the right thing to do ... to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools,” placing an emphasis on the word "appropriate." But Obama has also said he does not support, "explicit sex education to children in kindergarten."

In a debate with Republican Alan Keyes, against whom Obama was running for an open seat in the U.S. Senate in 2004, Obama made it clear that at least one reason he supported the bill was that it would help teach young kids to recognize inappropriate behavior and pedophiles:

Keyes, Oct. 21, 2004: Well, I had noticed that, in your voting, you had voted, at one point, that sex education should begin in kindergarten, and you justified it by saying that it would be "age-appropriate" sex education. [It] made me wonder just exactly what you think is "age-appropriate."

Obama: We have a existing law that mandates sex education in the schools. We want to make sure that it's medically accurate and age-appropriate. Now, I'll give you an example, because I have a six-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean. And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age. So, that's the kind of stuff that I was talking about in that piece of legislation.

Besides the Obama-Keyes race, this allegation also surfaced during this year's party primaries when Mitt Romney claimed Obama supported sex education for five-year-olds. (Obama misleadingly fired back that Romney supported the same policy.)
 
So quote Obama's PR firm, I mean the NY Times.

The bill says what it says.

When asked about it, he said he did support teaching sex ed to 5 year olds.

If you're trying to teach kids that young about what sexual predators do, why not tell 'em "if an adult touches you here, here, or there, call an adult you trust and tell them right away."



http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session


7 Sec. 27-9.1. Sex Education.
8 (a) No pupil shall be required to take or participate in
9 any class or course in comprehensive sex education if the
10 pupil's <s>his</s> parent or guardian submits written objection
11 thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or
12 program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of
13 such pupil. Each class or course in comprehensive sex
14 education offered in any of grades K <s>6</s> through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV <s>AIDS</s>.
Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.
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So quote Obama's PR firm, I mean the NY Times.

The bill says what it says.

When asked about it, he said he did support teaching sex ed to 5 year olds.

If you're trying to teach kids that young about what sexual predators do, why not tell 'em "if an adult touches you here, here, or there, call an adult you trust and tell them right away."



http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session


7 Sec. 27-9.1. Sex Education.
8 (a) No pupil shall be required to take or participate in
9 any class or course in comprehensive sex education if the
10 pupil's <s>his</s> parent or guardian submits written objection
11 thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or
12 program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of
13 such pupil. Each class or course in comprehensive sex
14 education offered in any of grades K <s>6</s> through 12 shall
15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17 of HIV <s>AIDS</s>.
Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.
</pre>

Thanks for posting the bill so I can quote directly from it.

The Bill Denny linked to said:
(2) All (1) course material and instruction shall
13 be age and developmentally appropriate.
 
Exactly what is age and developmentally appropriate about teaching sexual conduct and practices to 5 year olds?

That's just lame spin.
 
Exactly what is age and developmentally appropriate about teaching sexual conduct and practices to 5 year olds?

That's just lame spin.

I have no problem with children learning about inappropriate touching. If you did have a problem with it, then the law grants you the opportunity to remove your child from the class.
 
I have no problem with children learning about inappropriate touching. If you did have a problem with it, then the law grants you the opportunity to remove your child from the class.

Why do you need a daily or weekly CLASS IN COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION to teach a 5 year old that?

We're talking about kids who are years before puberty.

Anyhow, the point is whether the ad is accurate. To this point, it is.
 

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