New Backup Point Guard (1 Viewer)

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
Barton was our 5th best assist guy in terms of per minute or also Ast%. He also was 4th best in terms of not turning the ball over.
 
If we want a pg Bradley isn't the guy... 1.6 assists and 1.9 turnovers per 36.
 
Bradley would be PERFECT. Knowing olshey, he might just give it a try.
 
Schilly said:
If we want a pg Bradley isn't the guy... 1.6 assists and 1.9 turnovers per 36.
Click to expand...

Well, our team could go for players that can stretch the floor with questionable defensive ability.

Example:

Sign Steve Blake to the BAE - combo guard with the ability to shoot the 3
Sign Hawes to the MLE - center with the ability to shoot the 3
 
Hobbesarable said:
Well, our team could go for players that can stretch the floor with questionable defensive ability.

Example:

Sign Steve Blake to the BAE - combo guard with the ability to shoot the 3
Sign Hawes to the MLE - center with the ability to shoot the 3
Click to expand...

Yuck
 
Avery Bradley....

From 82games. Produces 13.4 points allows 15.8
Per Basketball-Reference has a DRTG of 109 and an Offensive rating of 100 and a usage percentage of 23.5

Compared to Mo, Bradley is a slightly better defender, scoring wise they are similar, but Mo shares the ball a whole lot more and 6.3 assists per 36 compared to 1.6. Mo also has a lowers ussage Percentage at 20%

So what would happen is we would sign Bradley then everyone in here would be complaining all season about he dribbles and shoots too much and doesn't pass and is just an average defender.
 
Maybe if we got someone with an ORtg higher than their DRtg...?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Maybe if we got someone with an ORtg higher than their DRtg...?
Click to expand...
Exactly. People get all hyped up on Defense, but honestly at the end of the day the team that scores more wins. So a teams +/- is more vital than it's defense or offense singularly. This season the best team in that regard was San Antonio with a +7.7. Portland ranked 8 with a +4.0. The Warriors are the only team that had a better +/- than the Blazers but had a worse record.

So adding defense is great as long as you aren't also sacrificing scoring. Our Starters were the most productive starting 5 in the league, our bench was the least productive. What our bench needs is more firepower more than anything.
 
Schilly said:
Avery Bradley....

So what would happen is we would sign Bradley then everyone in here would be complaining all season about he dribbles and shoots too much and doesn't pass and is just an average defender.
Click to expand...

He shot 39% from 3, though!
 
Schilly said:
Exactly. People get all hyped up on Defense, but honestly at the end of the day the team that scores more wins. So a teams +/- is more vital than it's defense or offense singularly. This season the best team in that regard was San Antonio with a +7.7. Portland ranked 8 with a +4.0. The Warriors are the only team that had a better +/- than the Blazers but had a worse record.

So adding defense is great as long as you aren't also sacrificing scoring. Our Starters were the most productive starting 5 in the league, our bench was the least productive. What our bench needs is more firepower more than anything.
Click to expand...

You score more by stopping the other team from scoring. :beatinto:
 
dviss1 said:
You score more by stopping the other team from scoring. :beatinto:
Click to expand...

Avery Bradley looked awesome in the playoffs this year. I give him that. Will he become the next Ramon Sessions, who was lusted after on this board for years?
 
Masala716 said:
Yes, Bradley would shore up a huge need. Perimeter defense and legit sixth man at the guard spot.

Also we would still have the bi-annual exception to offer. That would bring us to 15 roster spots.
Click to expand...


or we trade CJ (and change if needed) for Bradley and look to sign a guy like Jordan Hill with the MLE (or most of it) and then we still have the BAE
 
Worrying about the backup PG before recruiting serious players using our MLE is foolish if you ask me. Get the BPA through FA and bolster the bench....and then.....try to sign a PG who will only play a max of 16 minutes per game. I think the combo of McCollum and Barton will grow and probably be ok for this role. I would like to have a true PG for another option though.

I'd rather focus attention on BPA first. We may be able to re-sign Mo anyway. He may not get the offers he's looking for.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Well, our team could go for players that can stretch the floor with questionable defensive ability.

Example:

Sign Steve Blake to the BAE - combo guard with the ability to shoot the 3
Sign Hawes to the MLE - center with the ability to shoot the 3
Click to expand...

problem is you won't get Hawes for the MLE, he'll get more
 
Blazinaway said:
or we trade CJ (and change if needed) for Bradley and look to sign a guy like Jordan Hill with the MLE (or most of it) and then we still have the BAE
Click to expand...

I'd rather keep Thomas Robinson and have him play 15-20 mpg than blowing the entire MLE Jordan Hill, who IMO isn't as athletic or energetic as Robinson. If you're going to bring in Hill, then Robinson needs to be traded, and I'm not sure what he's worth at this point. Otherwise, you're paying a lot of money for two back-up PFs.
 
PapaG said:
I'd rather keep Thomas Robinson and have him play 15-20 mpg than blowing the entire MLE Jordan Hill, who IMO isn't as athletic or energetic as Robinson. If you're going to bring in Hill, then Robinson needs to be traded, and I'm not sure what he's worth at this point. Otherwise, you're paying a lot of money for two back-up PFs.
Click to expand...

I would trade Trob, as Hill is a backup PF/C so he fills two positions, Trob can't play C, I would also consider trading Trob and CJ to Philly for That Young, then use the BAE on a backup PG. Thad and Hill give us a potent bench and front line with a lot of flexibility.
 
Blazinaway said:
I would trade Trob, as Hill is a backup PF/C so he fills two positions, Trob can't play C, I would also consider trading Trob and CJ to Philly for That Young, then use the BAE on a backup PG. Thad and Hill give us a potent bench and front line with a lot of flexibility.
Click to expand...

What are you going to get for Robinson? His draft position makes his rookie deal difficult to trade, and signing Jordan Hill to the full MLE means your back-up PG is already on the roster, or you have to trade for him.

What's the fascination with Jordan Hill, anyhow? The guy hasn't done jackcrap in the playoffs, and back-up PF is a moot point with LMA playing 38 mpg. I suppose if LMA gets injured, but Hill is a hustle/garbage player, just like Robinson.
 
PapaG said:
Avery Bradley looked awesome in the playoffs this year. I give him that. Will he become the next Ramon Sessions, who was lusted after on this board for years?
Click to expand...

I actually think Sessions would be an excellent option for this off-season. He's basically fallen off the radar, and I doubt he'll get much attention. He'd be very good choice for our backup PG spot.
 
PapaG said:
What are you going to get for Robinson? His draft position makes his rookie deal difficult to trade, and signing Jordan Hill to the full MLE means your back-up PG is already on the roster, or you have to trade for him.

What's the fascination with Jordan Hill, anyhow? The guy hasn't done jackcrap in the playoffs, and back-up PF is a moot point with LMA playing 38 mpg. I suppose if LMA gets injured, but Hill is a hustle/garbage player, just like Robinson.
Click to expand...

yeah, he doesn't do spectacular things but seems steady and solid

of course, there is some reason to be skeptical about his numbers due to playing time sample sizes

Still, per36 (for rate comparisons), 17 points and 13 rebounds are strong numbers. Last 2 years he's had TotalRebTRates of 20% and 19%. Even more impressive are his offensive rebound numbers. His career off reb rate is 14.1%. For perspective, Lopez had his best offensive rebounding season this year and his rate just for the season was 13.6%

Hill isn't a big offensive threat but he's ok. Shoots well over 50% from the field and almost 70% from the FT line. Usage rate under 20% which is good although he doesn't appear to be much of an assist man

I think he's versatile enough to play with either Aldridge or Lopez, leaving those guys at their preferred positions. That can't be said of TRob, But Hill & TRob could probably dominate as 2nd unit rebounders at times

I'd think he will sign for less then the MLE but I've given up trying to predict what some GM's will pay for players. There always seem to be some head-shaking free agent signings.

above is from another board and I fully agree with it
 
Last edited:
Yeah I agree get Best Player Available for the MLE then worry about positional balance after. There are more solid veteran free agents at the PG spot than any other position, so someone will be left for not much more than the minimum. We really only need a 3rd string backup PG. If we first get a player who thinks he's too good, like Mo, there might be chemistry problems if he is getting DNP's or sitting behind our younger players.

A well rounded backup SF that can score and defend like Kirilenko and allow Nic to play some time at SG would be great. I had hoped Wright would be that guy but it hasn't worked out. If that player isn't available the best big man we can get for the MLE would be fine. We had that stretch where LMA and Freeland were hurt; it would be very nice to have a veteran big body for those times. That all being said if someone like Shawn Livingston is our highest ranked free agent available then I'd be fine with using the full mid level on him even if it makes PG crowded.
 
PapaG said:
What are you going to get for Robinson? His draft position makes his rookie deal difficult to trade, and signing Jordan Hill to the full MLE means your back-up PG is already on the roster, or you have to trade for him.

What's the fascination with Jordan Hill, anyhow? The guy hasn't done jackcrap in the playoffs, and back-up PF is a moot point with LMA playing 38 mpg. I suppose if LMA gets injured, but Hill is a hustle/garbage player, just like Robinson.
Click to expand...

Your MO has always been to tear other people's ideas to shreds without giving up any ideas of your own.
 
Trade Mo for this guy!

kobe-bryant-quaker-oats.jpg
 
His father, Joe. (I don't know how to make this blimp-big.)

Quaker-logo-resize.jpg
 
There are 9 teams that definitely need a starting PG or backup PG:
- Toronto
- Miami
- San Antonio
- Chicago
- Golden State
- Brooklyn
- Charlotte
- Memphis
- Portland

The top unrestricted free agent PGs:
- Kyle Lowry (17.9 ppg, 7.4 apg, 20.2 PER) - Toronto needs a starting PG. Since they are over the cap and have bird rights to Kyle Lowry, they will probably either re-sign him, or S&T. Kyle Lowery is essentially off the board unless the Blazers are willing to give up assets beyond the MLE or BAE.
- Mario Chalmers (9.8 ppg, 4.9 apg, 14.1 PER)- Miami needs a starting PG. Since they are over the cap and have bird rights to Mario Chalmers, they will probably either re-sign him, or S&T. Mario Chalmers is essentially off the board unless the Blazers are willing to give up assets beyond the MLE or BAE.
- Shaun Livingston (8.3 ppg, 3.2 apg, 14.5 PER) - Brooklyn needs a backup PG. They are over the tax, and can only offer Livingston their BAE ($2.1M), or tax-MLE ($3.3M).
- Patty Mills (10.2 ppg, 1.8 apg, 18.8 PER) - SA needs a backup PG. They will be near tax levels. They have Bird rights, so more than likely they will re-sign him, or offer their BAE ($2.1M) or MLE ($5.3M).
- DJ Augustin (13.1 ppg, 4.4 apg, 16.2 PER) - Chicago needs a backup PG. They will be over the CAP. They have non-Bird rights (sign up to 120% of last year's salary), so more than likely they will re-sign him, or offer their BAE ($2.1M) or MLE ($5.3M).
- Ramon Sessions (12.3 ppg, 4.1 apg, 16.0 PER) - Milwaukee doesn't need a backup PG. They have Knight & Wolters.
- Aaron Brooks (9.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 12.5 PER) - Denver doesn't need a backup PG. They have Lawson & Robinson. They own non-bird rights to Brooks if they want to use it for potential S&T.
- Steve Blake (6.9 ppg, 5.6 apg, 11.1 PER) - GS needs a backup PG. They will be near the tax level. Since they are near the tax level and have bird rights to Blake, they will either re-sign him, or S&T. Blake is essentially off the board unless the Blazers are willing to give up assets beyond the MLE or BAE.
- Rodney Stuckey (13.9 ppg, 2.1 apg, 14.0 PER) - Detroit doesn't need a backup PG. They have Jennings & Bynum. Detroit is over the Cap. They have Bird rights for Stuckey.
- Jordan Farmar (10.1 ppg, 4.9 apg, 15.1 PER) – LAL don’t need a backup PG. They have Nash & Marshall. They have Cap room if they renounce some of their players like Gasol and Kaman. They have non-Bird rights to Farmar.
- Mo Williams (9.7 ppg, 4.3 apg, 11.9 PER) – Portland has non-Bird rights (120%).

That leave Charlotte (under Cap), Memphis (tax) and Portland (over Cap) looking to sign:
- Shaun Livingston
- Ramon Sessions
- Aaron Brooks
- Rodney Stuckey
- Jordan Farmar
If none of those work out, we’re looking at bringing Mo back.
 
42N8Bounce said:
There are 9 teams that definitely need a starting PG or backup PG:
- Toronto
- Miami
- San Antonio
- Chicago
- Golden State
- Brooklyn
- Charlotte
- Memphis
- Portland

The top unrestricted free agent PGs:
- Kyle Lowry (17.9 ppg, 7.4 apg, 20.2 PER) - Toronto needs a starting PG. Since they are over the cap and have bird rights to Kyle Lowry, they will probably either re-sign him, or S&T. Kyle Lowery is essentially off the board unless the Blazers are willing to give up assets beyond the MLE or BAE.
- Mario Chalmers (9.8 ppg, 4.9 apg, 14.1 PER)- Miami needs a starting PG. Since they are over the cap and have bird rights to Mario Chalmers, they will probably either re-sign him, or S&T. Mario Chalmers is essentially off the board unless the Blazers are willing to give up assets beyond the MLE or BAE.
- Shaun Livingston (8.3 ppg, 3.2 apg, 14.5 PER) - Brooklyn needs a backup PG. They are over the tax, and can only offer Livingston their BAE ($2.1M), or tax-MLE ($3.3M).
- Patty Mills (10.2 ppg, 1.8 apg, 18.8 PER) - SA needs a backup PG. They will be near tax levels. They have Bird rights, so more than likely they will re-sign him, or offer their BAE ($2.1M) or MLE ($5.3M).
- DJ Augustin (13.1 ppg, 4.4 apg, 16.2 PER) - Chicago needs a backup PG. They will be over the CAP. They have non-Bird rights (sign up to 120% of last year's salary), so more than likely they will re-sign him, or offer their BAE ($2.1M) or MLE ($5.3M).
- Ramon Sessions (12.3 ppg, 4.1 apg, 16.0 PER) - Milwaukee doesn't need a backup PG. They have Knight & Wolters.
- Aaron Brooks (9.0 ppg, 3.2 apg, 12.5 PER) - Denver doesn't need a backup PG. They have Lawson & Robinson. They own non-bird rights to Brooks if they want to use it for potential S&T.
- Steve Blake (6.9 ppg, 5.6 apg, 11.1 PER) - GS needs a backup PG. They will be near the tax level. Since they are near the tax level and have bird rights to Blake, they will either re-sign him, or S&T. Blake is essentially off the board unless the Blazers are willing to give up assets beyond the MLE or BAE.
- Rodney Stuckey (13.9 ppg, 2.1 apg, 14.0 PER) - Detroit doesn't need a backup PG. They have Jennings & Bynum. Detroit is over the Cap. They have Bird rights for Stuckey.
- Jordan Farmar (10.1 ppg, 4.9 apg, 15.1 PER) – LAL don’t need a backup PG. They have Nash & Marshall. They have Cap room if they renounce some of their players like Gasol and Kaman. They have non-Bird rights to Farmar.
- Mo Williams (9.7 ppg, 4.3 apg, 11.9 PER) – Portland has non-Bird rights (120%).

That leave Charlotte (under Cap), Memphis (tax) and Portland (over Cap) looking to sign:
- Shaun Livingston
- Ramon Sessions
- Aaron Brooks
- Rodney Stuckey
- Jordan Farmar
If none of those work out, we’re looking at bringing Mo back.
Click to expand...

Great job! Repped. I think most of those guys are at least as good as Mo and definitely better than Watson so that should be an easy improvement for our bench

BTW here is a comparison:

http://bkref.com/tiny/ASUjN

Looking at that list Farmar might be a very affordable option if all else fails
 
Last edited:
Blazinaway said:
Yeah I backed it up with what I thought are some solid points on Hill and he goes away
Click to expand...

Yeah reminds me of a bully trying to make people feel stupid so he feels better about his pathetic life.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Back
Top