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[MisterMontross]

Just asked this question on the bbb forum, so I figured I'd ask it here.

Do any posters in here think that Nets might trade one or two prospects, and possibly a draft pick for a veteran player that Nets feel might help them make the playoffs?

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

The possibility is always out there. I don't want it to happen, though.

 

[cpawfan]

Kiki's goal has always been great players. The Nets assets aren't yet at the point where they can be cashed in for a great player.

 

[MisterMontross]

Kiki's goal has always been great players. The Nets assets aren't yet at the point where they can be cashed in for a great player.

Young prospects, multiple draft picks and expiring contracts. I'd say the Nets have the goods to get an established veteran player that would improve this years team.

 

[cpawfan]

Young prospects, multiple draft picks and expiring contracts. I'd say the Nets have the goods to get an established veteran player that would improve this years team.

You and I are talking about 2 different types of players.

 

[MisterMontross]

You and I are talking about 2 different types of players.

To keep this thread going, give me an example of a few players that fit the type you are speaking of.

 

[cpawfan]

To keep this thread going, give me an example of a few players that fit the type you are speaking of.

Kiki wants to be able to cash in like Ainge did last summer by getting KG and Ray Allen. Hence all the dreams about trading for Melo or going after LBJ in the summer of 2010.

Getting a Rasheed Wallace, a Billups or a Jamison would improve the team this season but would cost too much to make it worth giving up assets that will likely be worth more after another year of player development.

 

[zєяσ]

I agree with that notion a bit. I don't see the point in trading away youth for a player that isnt gonna help much short or long term (Billups, Camby, JO, Shaq, Maggete, etc...)

 

[MisterMontross]

Kiki wants to be able to cash in like Ainge did last summer by getting KG and Ray Allen. Hence all the dreams about trading for Melo or going after LBJ in the summer of 2010.

Getting a Rasheed Wallace, a Billups or a Jamison would improve the team this season but would cost too much to make it worth giving up assets that will likely be worth more after another year of player development.

That's my point. A player like 'Melo, Jamison or Camby possibly gets Nets into the playoffs, but is a hindrance down the line, considering what Nets would have had to have send back in exchange, and held back the kids' development (that's referring to Camby & 'Shweed).

Lebron is a different story, as he is a (hopefully) future acquisition.

 

[cpawfan]

That's my point. A player like 'Melo, Jamison or Camby possibly gets Nets into the playoffs, but is a hindrance down the line, considering what Nets would have had to have send back in exchange, and held back the kids' development (that's referring to Camby & 'Shweed).

Lebron is a different story, as he is a (hopefully) future acquisition.

Melo is a significant step above and doesn't belong with Jamison and Camby.

Rod wants to win now as he is getting really old, but Kiki has been the face of the Nets to the media and he plans to take a couple of years (in part for job security)

 

[MisterMontross]

Melo is a significant step above and doesn't belong with Jamison and Camby.

Rod wants to win now as he is getting really old, but Kiki has been the face of the Nets to the media and he plans to take a couple of years (in part for job security)

Melo is a SF, and Nets are weak right now at the power positions.

Also, to me, 'Melo is not a difference maker, and is very immature.

And 'Melo would cost Nets one of their bigman prospects (at least), some expiring contracts, and one draft pick (at least).

'Melo might (MIGHT) get us into the playoffs for a first round exit, and SEVERELY hamper the Nets future.

But Ratner might think 'Melo can draw customers, and in the end, thst's what counts, isn't it?

 

[cpawfan]

Melo is a SF, and Nets are weak right now at the power positions.

Also, to me, 'Melo is not a difference maker, and is very immature.

And 'Melo would cost Nets one of their bigman prospects (at least), some expiring contracts, and one draft pick (at least).

'Melo might (MIGHT) get us into the playoffs for a first round exit, and SEVERELY hamper the Nets future.

But Ratner might think 'Melo can draw customers, and in the end, thst's what counts, isn't it?

Melo is more than worth whatever it would cost to get him. However, he isn't on the market. Melo wouldn't hurt the Nets future one bit as he would be the future.

I'm not replying anymore to this tangent

 

[MisterMontross]

Melo is more than worth whatever it would cost to get him. However, he isn't on the market. Melo wouldn't hurt the Nets future one bit as he would be the future.

I'm not replying anymore to this tangent

Sorry, I wasn't trying to provoke you.

I was just expressing my honest opinion of Carmelo.

We obviously have different opinions of Mr. Anthony.

He certainly could mature in the near future. But from what I've seen thus far, Carmelo wouldn't get Nets past the first round, if Nets were to make the playoffs.

 

[Petey]

Melo is a SF, and Nets are weak right now at the power positions.

Also, to me, 'Melo is not a difference maker, and is very immature.

And 'Melo would cost Nets one of their bigman prospects (at least), some expiring contracts, and one draft pick (at least).

'Melo might (MIGHT) get us into the playoffs for a first round exit, and SEVERELY hamper the Nets future.

But Ratner might think 'Melo can draw customers, and in the end, thst's what counts, isn't it?

That would be a steal.

-Petey

 

[MisterMontross]

That would be a steal.

-Petey

On the part of which team?

 

[zєяσ]

On the part of which team?

Take this into consideration: we arguably gave more for VC.

 

[YehYeh]

Kiki's goal has always been great players. The Nets assets aren't yet at the point where they can be cashed in for a great player.

The key for a GM is to build value in player assets. With assets he can trade for whatever he needs to go for a championship. Kiki so far sold high and bought low, which to me is a sound strategy. To trade away young players and futures for vets makes no business sense. Most fans will rather get excited about a budding star than a meek first round exit. So even at the box office young studs make more sense.

 

[Dumpy]

Just asked this question on the bbb forum, so I figured I'd ask it here.

Do any posters in here think that Nets might trade one or two prospects, and possibly a draft pick for a veteran player that Nets feel might help them make the playoffs?

I think the opposite of whatever anyone on BBB thinks.

 

[MisterMontross]

Take this into consideration: we arguably gave more for VC.

Yes. Nets got taken on that deal.

 

[MisterMontross]

I think the opposite of whatever anyone on BBB thinks.

I'll keep that in mind.

I may have to throw some of that back at you.

 

[Petey]

On the part of which team?

It would be a steal for the Nets. Melo is a young dynamic scorer. He's the type of player that will attract a FA in 2010. Melo will help put fans in the seats.

What you have the Nets giving up for Melo are none of those things.

-Petey

 

[Dumpy]

I'll keep that in mind.

I may have to throw some of that back at you.

why do you still go there, anyway?

 

[SportsTicker]

This is maddening.

As recently as yesterday, Kiki was on the record saying the Nets want to find a way to get MORE draft picks, that player development and winning the right way--meaning developing players from within--is the most important goal for the team.

Today, the Nets created a new position, director of player personnel, and put Gregg Polinsky, their chief scout, in the job.

As detailed before, EVERYTHING the Nets have done since February has been aimed at their long term prospects. Even signing glue guys--mentors--like Najera is aimed at player development...and now it appears the Nets have a team option on Najera after year two, reducing their payroll in 2010. Keyon Dooling, same thing. Jarvis Hayes, team option in year two. CDR, team option for year three.

It's not as if this is a secret. It is the stated business plan, the stated goal, to get under the cap for the 2010 free agency.

Did the Nets really go after Melo? I simply do not believe that happened. The proposal that was discussed made no sense, was not even close to possible under the CBA.

 

[cpawfan]

Did the Nets really go after Melo? I simply do not believe that happened. The proposal that was discussed made no sense, was not even close to possible under the CBA.

I firmly believe that Kiki took the time to keep Melo's name in trade rumors just to fuck with the Nuggets.

 

[SportsTicker]

I firmly believe that Kiki took the time to keep Melo's name in trade rumors just to fuck with the Nuggets.

I have heard something about the provenance of said rumor...made me ill.

 

[cpawfan]

As recently as yesterday, Kiki was on the record saying the Nets want to find a way to get MORE draft picks, that player development and winning the right way--meaning developing players from within--is the most important goal for the team.

I take all of that with a grain of salt knowing how much he likes to play with the media and Thorn's record with trades. Yes, I fully believe they are committed to player development, but more from the standpoint of asset management than that these are the guys they truly believe in and want to go for a championship with.

The Nets have to find out what they can get out of these guys both on the court and in trades. Give Thorn some players that appear to have some value and lets see what he can do on the trade market.

Plus, given Thorn's history, I can't bank on Free Agency being the thing that "fixes" the Nets. I have to hope for trades next season.

 

[MisterMontross]

This is maddening.

As recently as yesterday, Kiki was on the record saying the Nets want to find a way to get MORE draft picks, that player development and winning the right way--meaning developing players from within--is the most important goal for the team.

Today, the Nets created a new position, director of player personnel, and put Gregg Polinsky, their chief scout, in the job.

As detailed before, EVERYTHING the Nets have done since February has been aimed at their long term prospects. Even signing glue guys--mentors--like Najera is aimed at player development...and now it appears the Nets have a team option on Najera after year two, reducing their payroll in 2010. Keyon Dooling, same thing. Jarvis Hayes, team option in year two. CDR, team option for year three.

It's not as if this is a secret. It is the stated business plan, the stated goal, to get under the cap for the 2010 free agency.

Did the Nets really go after Melo? I simply do not believe that happened. The proposal that was discussed made no sense, was not even close to possible under the CBA.

Let's see what happens. Words mean so much less to me than actions.

Your belief that Nets mgmt speaks to their fanbase only in truth is................what it is.

 

[Petey]

This is maddening.

As recently as yesterday, Kiki was on the record saying the Nets want to find a way to get MORE draft picks, that player development and winning the right way--meaning developing players from within--is the most important goal for the team.

Today, the Nets created a new position, director of player personnel, and put Gregg Polinsky, their chief scout, in the job.

As detailed before, EVERYTHING the Nets have done since February has been aimed at their long term prospects. Even signing glue guys--mentors--like Najera is aimed at player development...and now it appears the Nets have a team option on Najera after year two, reducing their payroll in 2010. Keyon Dooling, same thing. Jarvis Hayes, team option in year two. CDR, team option for year three.

It's not as if this is a secret. It is the stated business plan, the stated goal, to get under the cap for the 2010 free agency.

Did the Nets really go after Melo? I simply do not believe that happened. The proposal that was discussed made no sense, was not even close to possible under the CBA.

If their goal is to get a major player in 2010, but the chance to acquire Melo presented itself today, they won't do it? Melo is the type of player they look to sign in 2010.

I'd think any GM would take Melo today, over the possibility of signing LBJ in a few years down the line.

-Petey

 

[YehYeh]

We'd like to have Melo, alright. But at what price? Obviously Harris cannot be traded. But how about VC, or both SF's to clear the spot? No problem, because they would be replaced by Melo.

But young bigs are not easy to find, unless we aim to sign one in 2010 instead of LBJ.