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oldfisherman said:
I am all for freedom of religion, but...

I believe this violates the first amendment.
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Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. This actually violates the idea of freedom of religion.
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It violates neither of those things actually, but it does violate separation of church and state. About as bad as giving gradeschool kids books teaching them how to suck a dick.
Maybe Democrats and Republicans alike should stop using other people’s children as publicity stunts to keep public discourse in such a poor state of affairs?

Nah just kidding. What would keep us all busy then? We might ask a question about a war, or even worse, ask for healthcare.
 
jonnyboy said:
It violates neither of those things actually, but it does violate separation of church and state. About as bad as giving gradeschool kids books teaching them how to suck a dick.
Maybe Democrats and Republicans alike should stop using other people’s children as publicity stunts to keep public discourse in such a poor state of affairs?

Nah just kidding. What would keep us all busy then? We might ask a question about a war, or even worse, ask for healthcare.
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A public school being forced to put up a specific religious document in every class is absolutely violating the idea of freedom of religion.
 
Phatguysrule said:
A public school being forced to put up a specific religious document in every class is absolutely violating the idea of freedom of religion.
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It’s not necessarily taking away anyone’s right to worship or ‘freely exercise religion’ though, which is the main tenant of freedom of religion as per the first amendment. It’s a dumb law, but not a violation of the first amendment. Not any more than walking into a cornerstore that has hindu or buddhist items displayed. Someone else exercising their religious preference doesn’t necessarily take yours away.
Like i said though, dumb law and it violates separation of church and state.
On the plus side, our public schools are hardly capable of teaching students anything anyway, so it’s not like the Ten Commandments would catch on any better than math or reading. Shit, most the kids probably can’t even read the poster.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s not necessarily taking away anyone’s right to worship or ‘freely exercise religion’ though, which is the main tenant of freedom of religion as per the first amendment. It’s a dumb law, but not a violation of the first amendment. Not any more than walking into a cornerstore that has hindu or buddhist items displayed. Someone else exercising their religious preference doesn’t necessarily take yours away.
Like i said though, dumb law and it violates separation of church and state.
On the plus side, our public schools are hardly capable of teaching students anything anyway, so it’s not like the Ten Commandments would catch on any better than math or reading. Shit, most the kids probably can’t even read the poster.
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Yeah, not worried about them learning thou shalt not kill, either.

But this definitely feels like forcing a specific religion upon everyone in those classrooms. And, being a public school, if they are going to offer a school like that for Christians they should be forced to offer an alternative for any other religion.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Yeah, not worried about them learning not thou shalt not kill, either.

But this definitely feels like forcing q specific religion upon everyone in those classrooms. And, being a public school, if they are going to offer a school like that for Christians they should be forced to offer an alternative for any other religion.
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It is definitely shoehorning a specific religion into the classroom. Rather than offering other options, they need to take it all out and focus on what they are supposed to be there for in the first place. And this is coming from someone with religious beliefs. These political stunts involving schools and children have to stop. I firmly believe they are by design and used to cause public upheaval, but I’m also conspiratorial-minded.
 
jonnyboy said:
It is definitely shoehorning a specific religion into the classroom. Rather than offering other options, they need to take it all out and focus on what they are supposed to be there for in the first place. And this is coming from someone with religious beliefs. These political stunts involving schools and children have to stop. I firmly believe they are by design and used to cause public upheaval, but I’m also conspiratorial-minded.
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I think it is certainly done with the intent of introducing creep. If we can get this approved, what else can we get approved? It sets a precedent that they can run further with. That's just the way special interests work as far as I can tell.

If it's going to be there then teachers should be encouraged to teach about all faiths equally. I would definitely prefer just keeping it out, though.
 
I am not a legal expert. This is my opinion on why this violates the first amendment.


The "establishment clause", prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another.
 
oldfisherman said:
I am not a legal expert. This is my opinion on why this violates the first amendment.


The "establishment clause", prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another.
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Makes perfect sense to me.
 
A flagrant violation of the 1st amendment.
 
jonnyboy said:
It violates neither of those things actually, but it does violate separation of church and state. About as bad as giving gradeschool kids books teaching them how to suck a dick.
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What religion does that promote? I just remember the incest in the Bible, but no specific mention of fellatio.
 
PDXFonz said:
We used to say the pledge of allegiance
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I remember that. But God could be any number of gods. That's how I always rationalized it.

Either way. I always preferred the 1942 version.

Congress officially recognized the Pledge for the first time, in the following form, on June 22, 1942

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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twobullz said:
One is a private business and the other is a public building not a good comparison.
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I wasn’t making a point about whether it’s public or private, I already relented it’s a clear separation of church and state. I was using an example to explain why it’s not a violation of freedom of religion as described in the 1st amendment.
 
Oddly enough, while I do believe it is a very clear violation of the separation of church and state, I'm not convinced this one example is necessarily a bad thing. Strip the religion from them as much as you reasonably can and they are outstanding rules for everyone on this planet to follow. God and religion really do not have shit to do with them in the end. Throw in the Golden Rule as a bow to tie it all up in. There is nothing wrong with people (young people in this case......which is when you want to reach them) being reminded on a daily basis to be good humans, respect others and don't fuck with lives that are not theirs. I spent 12 years in Catholic schools, and once all the extraneous bullshit is cleared away, the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule were most valuable lessons I learned. I'd much rather have the kids honor the Commandments instead of a brightly colored cloth that represents a country that does not necessarily honor them......
 
Sorry, wrong. I certainly can't argue with thou shalt not kill. But commandments about God and sabbath are explicitly religious and not just good advice. It also prohibits covering thy neighbor's goods, including wife. Establishing a wife as a possession.
Children and adults can be taught moral lessons without "no other gods before me".
 
crandc said:
Sorry, wrong. I certainly can't argue with thou shalt not kill. But commandments about God and sabbath are explicitly religious and not just good advice. It also prohibits covering thy neighbor's goods, including wife. Establishing a wife as a possession.
Children and adults can be taught moral lessons without "no other gods before me".
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I did mention stripping religion and the other extraneous stuff away…….
 
jonnyboy said:
I wasn’t making a point about whether it’s public or private, I already relented it’s a clear separation of church and state. I was using an example to explain why it’s not a violation of freedom of religion as described in the 1st amendment.
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You have a right to your religion in a private businesss this they can have their religious symbols. That same right is not available in a public building so they are still not a good comparison
 
jonnyboy said:
It violates neither of those things actually, but it does violate separation of church and state. About as bad as giving gradeschool kids books teaching them how to suck a dick.
Maybe Democrats and Republicans alike should stop using other people’s children as publicity stunts to keep public discourse in such a poor state of affairs?

Nah just kidding. What would keep us all busy then? We might ask a question about a war, or even worse, ask for healthcare.
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"DONT INDOCRINATE OUR KIDS"

*this passes in louisiana*

THEY MUST KNOW THIS!

If you don't realize your hypocrisy........
 
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