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Denny Crane said:
It only takes a little research to show he's already made the donations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rricane-harvey-relief/?utm_term=.abffbf10413e

President Trump gave $1 million of his own money to charities helping the Houston area recover from Hurricane Harvey, splitting the gift among 12 nonprofits, the White House announced Wednesday.

The gift had been promised late last week. In a statement, the White House said that Trump and first lady Melania Trump had witnessed some of these charities at work firsthand during their two visits to areas of Texas hit by the hurricane, which was the biggest rainstorm recorded in the history of the continental United States.

The White House said other recipients were “recommended, at the invitation of the President, by members of the White House Press Corps,” the White House statement said.

The two biggest individual gifts were given to large, mainstream charities: the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army would get $300,000 each, the White House said.
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You don't actually read your sources, do you?

Further along in that same fucking article said:
It was not immediately clear, from the White House's statement whether the charities had received the donations or whether the checks would arrive in the coming days.


Before last summer, Trump had a long record of making pledges to give his personal money to charity but an uneven record of fulfilling them.
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David Farenthold has a history of literally shaming Trump into following through by asking repeated questions until he actually does what he's said he'll do.
 
http://deadline.com/2017/09/redskin...r-trek-discovery-donald-trump-nbc-1202176141/

‘Sunday Night Football’ Ratings Down Again On Day Of Player Protests

In metered market numbers, the primetime matchup that saw the Washington Redskins beat the Oakland Raiders 27-10 snared an 11.6/20, the worst SNF has performed this season so far. It’s an 8% dip from the early numbers of last week’s game, Atlanta’s 34-23 win over Green Bay. Amid cheers and boos from fans at FedEx Field in Maryland last night, the third week of the SNF season declined 10% from early numbers of the comparable game of last year on September 25, 2016.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So don't cite the article where they explicitly do not write that. That's kind of "citation 101".
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WaPost said he gave the money.

Then went on to smear him. What else is new?

The citation was accurate.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Good to know it's getting harder for him to duck his commitments. Shame that if he's as rich as he says, this is about equivalent to you or me giving about ten bucks.
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Have a tissue.
 
lawai'a said:
that Pittsburgh fans have shown a history of violent actions? that is the stated logic.
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That their history has zero to do with posting video of their burning their NFL branded items in protest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

It has the general argument form:

If P, then Q.
P is a fallacious argument.
Therefore, Q is false.[6]
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Thus, it is a special case of denying the antecedent where the antecedent, rather than being a proposition that is false, is an entire argument that is fallacious. A fallacious argument, just as with a false antecedent, can still have a consequent that happens to be true. The fallacy is in concluding the consequent of a fallacious argument has to be false.
 
Denny Crane said:
WaPost said he gave the money.

Then went on to smear him. What else is new?

The citation was accurate.
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Next lesson: the "use/mention" distinction. We'll bring you up to speed eventually Denny! Hang in there!

the quote that you mistakenly think supports your claim said:
President Trump gave $1 million of his own money to charities helping the Houston area recover from Hurricane Harvey, splitting the gift among 12 nonprofits, the White House announced Wednesday.
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Denny Crane said:
http://deadline.com/2017/09/redskin...r-trek-discovery-donald-trump-nbc-1202176141/

‘Sunday Night Football’ Ratings Down Again On Day Of Player Protests

In metered market numbers, the primetime matchup that saw the Washington Redskins beat the Oakland Raiders 27-10 snared an 11.6/20, the worst SNF has performed this season so far. It’s an 8% dip from the early numbers of last week’s game, Atlanta’s 34-23 win over Green Bay. Amid cheers and boos from fans at FedEx Field in Maryland last night, the third week of the SNF season declined 10% from early numbers of the comparable game of last year on September 25, 2016.
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I stated a fact. that Pittsburgh fans have reacted violently in the past. no logic flaw in the statements unless you can't believe the video evidence to the contrary.
Denny Crane said:
That their history has zero to do with posting video of their burning their NFL branded items in protest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

It has the general argument form:

If P, then Q.
P is a fallacious argument.
Therefore, Q is false.[6]
​
Thus, it is a special case of denying the antecedent where the antecedent, rather than being a proposition that is false, is an entire argument that is fallacious. A fallacious argument, just as with a false antecedent, can still have a consequent that happens to be true. The fallacy is in concluding the consequent of a fallacious argument has to be false.
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Denny Crane said:
That their history has zero to do with posting video of their burning their NFL branded items in protest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

It has the general argument form:

If P, then Q.
P is a fallacious argument.
Therefore, Q is false.[6]
​
Thus, it is a special case of denying the antecedent where the antecedent, rather than being a proposition that is false, is an entire argument that is fallacious. A fallacious argument, just as with a false antecedent, can still have a consequent that happens to be true. The fallacy is in concluding the consequent of a fallacious argument has to be false.
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This is the absolute perfect example of the old saying, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." Sure beats being wrong, eh?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Well...yeah, I think it kind of does. The whole point is the idea that black people are all too often perceived and treated differently by police than white people...because of the color of their skin.

So...yeah, it matters.
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The safety of children is critical, regardless of skin color.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Next lesson: the "use/mention" distinction. We'll bring you up to speed eventually Denny! Hang in there!
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"President Trump gave $1 million of his own money to charities"

The key bit.

Not "President Trump allegedly gave $1 million of his own money to charities" as you were fooled into thinking.

You know what they say, fool you once... fool Rasta twice.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
This is the absolute perfect example of the old saying, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." Sure beats being wrong, eh?
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Nothing beats being right.

There's no bullshit about it.

It makes no difference what Pittsburg fans ever did in the past. It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with them burning their NFL gear and posting video to social media saying exactly why (protest).

I get that you don't like me being right. When I'm actually wrong, I'll admit it.
 
dviss1 said:
I'm truly not worried about being taken seriously by you. You're part of the problem.
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Good news...you aren't taken seriously by me or anyone else.

Actually, people like you, who are just shouting, yelling and accusing others that you know nothing about, are the problem.
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-tweets-don-t-help-tv-football-ratings-n804481

Trump Tweets Don’t Help TV Football Ratings

Sunday night's game, a 27-10 victory by Washington over Oakland, declined over the same week last year, when Chicago played Dallas. It had an 11.6 rating compared to last year's 12.9, and a 20 percent share, compared to 21 percent. (A rating is the percentage of all homes with televisions; a share is the percentage of viewers who were watching television at the time.)

CBS also took a hit to its national coverage of the Cincinnati-Green Bay game, which attracted a 13.8 rating compared to a 13.9 rating during its week-three coverage last year.

...

during the first two weeks of this season, ratings were down 11 percent from the comparable period last year, according to Ad Age.

The latest numbers measure only metered markets and do not include data on live streaming to computers and mobile devices. Nielsen’s numbers could change slightly later today.​

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...v-ratings-sunday-nfl-games-compared-last-year

Preliminary TV ratings for Sunday's games down from previous year

Preliminary television ratings for Sunday's NFL games finished lower as compared to the same week last year. CBS said its national games, which featured the Green Bay Packers' 27-24 win over the Cincinnati Bengals and the Kansas City Chiefs' 24-10 win over the Los Angeles Chargers, were down 1 percent in the overnight ratings as compared to its Week 3 national games for the 2016 season.​

Fox's game, which featured the New York Giants against the Philadelphia Eagles in many markets, was down 16 percent, compared to Week 3 of last season, which featured the Giants playing the Washington Redskins.

Sunday Night Football's decline was more drastic, as Sunday's game between the Redskins and the Oakland Raiders was the lowest-rated Week 3 game, from metered markets, since 2006.

Ratings for the game were down 9 percent versus last week (Packers-Falcons) and 11 percent versus last year's Week 3 game.​

But ratings were up if you compare against... some cherry picked week of some previous season.
 
At least where I live, this is being seen as an attack on Merica itself. You aren't going to win the support of most Rural Mericans if you're being perceived as anti-Merican.
 
blazerboy30 said:
The safety of children is critical, regardless of skin color.
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True, but the safety of children (and adults as well) vis-a-vis their interaction with police is more precarious and uncertain, depending on skin color.

Which is the point of the protests.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Personally, while I would not penalize an employee for political protests on their own time, I would not permit any employee (if I owned a business) to engage in any political protest on company time, regardless of the manner or purpose. But I would make that determination clear to the employees in advance of attempting to mete out any punishment therefor.

I don't see it as right to fire people for protesting, unless there is a franchise/league decree in advance stating that on-field protests are considered insubordination and a violation of rules/policy. In this case, they're clearly not, so employment-related consequences would be unreasonable.
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FWIW, super agent Leigh Steinberg:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/25/the...ratings-than-trump-agent-leigh-steinberg.html

Regarding the protesting players' job security, Steinberg said the NFL owners do have all the power and have the ability to cut a player.
 
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