NFL draft...

[totus44]

Also note that Eli has 2 SB MVP awards. And in 20 years, when people talk about Peyton and his records, they will also talk about his brother who had more success in the playoffs. Regular season, career stats fall...ask Marino and Favre. Superbowl wins and SB MVPs get remembered. And Eli led his team to victory over the undefeated Patriots. In fact Eli will be remembered for defeating Brady led teams twice. Now the Pats were one of the most dominant teams in his era, a team his brother struggled to beat. Is Payton the better QB? By a long shot. But in both those games, I'd rather have Eli over Payton.

 

[yankeesince59]

I'm not sure why you're stuck on Eli Manning when Peyton's playoffs are being discussed. Eli has won two Super Bowls as a QB in New York. People need to deal with it, stop trying to diminish it and move on. When it comes to Peyton he's simply not comparable to guys like Montana and Brady when he's 1-2 in Super Bowls and has eight one and done performances in the playoffs.

...because you're the one who brought him into the convo, not me.

...and I'm not diminishing anything and I'll move on when I'm ready. But I am amused by both the credit and blame given to ONE individual for TEAM accomplishments...Eli didn't win shit by himself...and Peyton didn't lose shit by himself.

 

[yankeesince59]

Also note that Eli has 2 SB MVP awards. And in 20 years, when people talk about Peyton and his records, they will also talk about his brother who had more success in the playoffs. Regular season, career stats fall...ask Marino and Favre. Superbowl wins and SB MVPs get remembered. And Eli led his team to victory over the undefeated Patriots. In fact Eli will be remembered for defeating Brady led teams twice. Now the Pats were one of the most dominant teams in his era, a team his brother struggled to beat. Is Payton the better QB? By a long shot. But in both those games, I'd rather have Eli over Payton.

...Eli was lucky.

 

[totus44]

...Eli was lucky.

 

[yankeesince59]

...no, not a Eli hater at all. I just don't think at this point he's HOF worthy.

 

[Rick2583]

For those using the 2 SBs as a stepping stone for Eli's entry to the HOF please refer to post #21

And BTW: I'm a Giants fan.

 

[Messiah717]

Eli will go to the HOF when all is said and done unless he completely implodes the last five or so years.

 

[Rick2583]

Eli will go to the HOF when all is said and done unless he completely implodes the last five or so years.

Like remembering to throw the ball to guys wearing the same uniform that he's wearing. When all is said & done he MAY have the total yards to get in.

 

[yankeesince59]

Eli will go to the HOF when all is said and done unless he completely implodes the last five or so years.

...other than participating in 2 SBs, what makes him HOF worthy?

...actualy, if he wants a ticket to the HOF, he needs to pick up the pace for the next five or so years.

 

[Messiah717]

...other than participating in 2 SBs, what makes him HOF worthy?

...actualy, if he wants a ticket to the HOF, he needs to pick up the pace for the next five or so years.

Two super bowls along with 50k yards and over 300 tds

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol, nice assumption. Sorry, but he's nowhere near those numbers yet.

...How many times do I have to say "at this point"?

 

[Messiah717]

...lol, nice assumption. Sorry, but he's nowhere near those numbers yet.

...How many times do I have to say "at this point"?

Your bias has shown through too much. Even at this point he's fourth amoung actives in yards and touch downs.

 

[yankeesince59]

Your bias has shown through too much. Even at this point he's fourth amoung actives in yards and touch downs.

...what bias?...please explain, if you can...exactly how am I "biased". I'm a fucking Raiders fan, and I have no loyalty neither to Eli nor Peyton.

...conversely, you're the Giants fan and you purposely inflated Eli's #s on an assumption to try to prove a point, ...but I'M the one who's "biased"?...gimme a fucking break.

 

[Messiah717]

...what bias?...please explain, if you can...exactly how am I "biased". I'm a fucking Raiders fan, and I have no loyalty neither to Eli nor Peyton.

...conversely, you're the Giants fan and you purposely inflated Eli's #s on an assumption to try to prove a point, ...but I'M the one who's "biased"?...gimme a fucking break.

I inflated nothing. They're already what they are. Like I said in terms of yards and touch downs he's behind Peyton, Brady and Brees. He's a two time champion and a two time super bowl MVP. Gimme a fucking break would be reserved to resorting to playing the Eli got lucky card to dimish his accomplishments.

 

[yankeesince59]

I inflated nothing. They're already what they are. Like I said in terms of yards and touch downs he's behind Peyton, Brady and Brees. He's a two time champion and a two time super bowl MVP. Gimme a fucking break would be reserved to resorting to playing the Eli got lucky card to dimish his accomplishments.

...uhhh, yes, you did. Lemme refresh your memory; "Two super bowls along with 50k yards and over 300 tds."..........hence "inflated"


...still waiting to hear how I am "biased".

 

[Messiah717]

...uhhh, yes, you did. Lemme refresh your memory; "Two super bowls along with 50k yards and over 300 tds."..........hence "inflated"


...still waiting to hear how I am "biased".

I didn't inflate anything. I clearly stated that unless he implodes he wouldn't need to do anything extraordinary to reach those levels in five seasons. As for the biased I already pointed out the Eli got lucky comment you made.

 

[yankeesince59]

...wait, because i have a different opinion, that make's me biased?...great logic. Still does not quantify "biased"...nice try though.

...but you pointing to Peyton's PS record (9-9) is not "biased"?...I see how this works, someone points out that "at this point", your team's QB is not yet worthy of the HOF must be biased. ...gotcha.

 

[yankeesince59]

I didn't inflate anything. I clearly stated that unless he implodes he wouldn't need to do anything extraordinary to reach those levels in five seasons. As for the biased I already pointed out the Eli got lucky comment you made.

...yes, you did "inflate" his numbers by assuming he'll maintain numbers he amassed during his previous years which were likely his most productive years...surprised you didn't also arbitrarily add 2-3 more SBs in there.

 

[Messiah717]

...yes, you did "inflate" his numbers by assuming he'll maintain numbers he amassed during his previous years which were likely his most productive years...surprised you didn't also arbitrarily add 2-3 more SBs in there.

Again, he doesn't need to put up tremendous numbers the next handful of years to reach those levels. If you want to take the position that a guy who has never missed a game is suddenly going to fall down and die and never do another thing in the NFL that's fine. It still doesn't take away the fact that he's a two time SB winning QB and a two time SB MVP. If the only thing you can think of to retort that is he got lucky then yes you're biased.

As for Peyton Manning I never denied he's going to go down as the greatest regular season QB of all time. He just hasn't had the post season success of some of the greats. It doesn't mean he's not going to retire with every record there is at the position. That being said if you were to ask him I'm sure he would've traded his regular season numbers last year if it meant winning the Super Bowl.

 

[yankeesince59]

Again, he doesn't need to put up tremendous numbers the next handful of years to reach those levels. If you want to take the position that a guy who has never missed a game is suddenly going to fall down and die and never do another thing in the NFL that's fine. It still doesn't take away the fact that he's a two time SB winning QB and a two time SB MVP. If the only thing you can think of to retort that is he got lucky then yes you're biased.

...wtf are you talking about?...I made ONE tongue in cheek comment (sorry, not my "ONLY retort") about his "luck" in a SB, and that makes me biased, but you're not?...just stop it. You've offered nothing but your opinion, but yeah, you're not biased.

...And sorry, but maintaining his numbers for the next several years is by no means a given...he's been in decline since 2011 and there's nothing to suggest things will improve for the Giants anytime soon. He does not have the receivers he once had, the offensive line is in disarray, and what about the running game?...unless the Giants address these issues Eli's numbers will be closer to what they were last year. (18 TD and 27 INTs (most in the NFL)...and those kinds of numbers will negate 2 SB appearances.


...but yeah, I'M the one who's "biased".

As for Peyton Manning I never denied he's going to go down as the greatest regular season QB of all time. He just hasn't had the post season success of some of the greats. It doesn't mean he's not going to retire with every record there is at the position. That being said if you were to ask him I'm sure he would've traded his regular season numbers last year if it meant winning the Super Bowl


...well no shit, ...I'm sure Eli would have liked to have traded his too




1. I asked you point blank; "...other than participating in 2 SBs, what makes him HOF worthy?



2. You responded with; "Two super bowls along with 50k yards and over 300 td"s



...sorry, but those ^^^ numbers are in fact "inflated" and are based on assumption. /QUOTE].

 

[Messiah717]

Again, he doesn't need to put up tremendous numbers the next handful of years to reach those levels. If you want to take the position that a guy who has never missed a game is suddenly going to fall down and die and never do another thing in the NFL that's fine. It still doesn't take away the fact that he's a two time SB winning QB and a two time SB MVP. If the only thing you can think of to retort that is he got lucky then yes you're biased.

...wtf are you talking about?...I made ONE tongue in cheek comment (sorry, not my "ONLY retort") about his "luck" in a SB, and that makes me biased, but you're not?...just stop it. You've offered nothing but your opinion, but yeah, you're not biased.

...And sorry, but maintaining his numbers for the next several years is by no means a given...he's been in decline since 2011 and there's nothing to suggest things will improve for the Giants anytime soon. He does not have the receivers he once had, the offensive line is in disarray, and what about the running game?...unless the Giants address these issues Eli's numbers will be closer to what they were last year. (18 TD and 27 INTs (most in the NFL)...and those kinds of numbers will negate 2 SB appearances.


...but yeah, I'M the one who's "biased".

As for Peyton Manning I never denied he's going to go down as the greatest regular season QB of all time. He just hasn't had the post season success of some of the greats. It doesn't mean he's not going to retire with every record there is at the position. That being said if you were to ask him I'm sure he would've traded his regular season numbers last year if it meant winning the Super Bowl


...well no shit, ...I'm sure Eli would have liked to have traded his too




1. I asked you point blank; "...other than participating in 2 SBs, what makes him HOF worthy?



2. You responded with; "Two super bowls along with 50k yards and over 300 td"s



...sorry, but those ^^^ numbers are in fact "inflated" and are based on assumption. /QUOTE].

Well in paying attention to the Giants off season free agent moves and their picks in the draft they have done very well addressing their needs and becoming a much better and deeper team.

 

[totus44]

Yup! No question, looking forward to a great year....despite the sideshow of pick #249.

 

[yankeesince59]

...now all you have to do, is hope the new acquisitions pan out and will make a HUGE impact, if not, well, you know.

...Eli can't constantly be harassed and sacked...if the O-line does not make a quantum leap forward, the running and passing game will suffer. They'll have a good defense, they always do it seems...but the G-men were 28th in total offense last year.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yup! No question, looking forward to a great year....despite the sideshow of pick #249.

...unreal, isn't it? Did they really feel the need to use this picture? ;

...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

My niners had a great draft!

And if eli didn't have the two super bowls he would have ZERO hof case, with them I think he is still borderline, needs to finish stronger than last year

 

[Rick2583]

...unreal, isn't it? Did they really feel the need to use this picture? ;

...

I guess it was either this one or the kissing one or the one of them pushing cake into each others face. I'd go with this one.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

...unreal, isn't it? Did they really feel the need to use this picture? ;

...

That pic is pretty tame...not sure if you posted the wrong one?

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol...no, that's the one I intended...I just felt it odd that they felt the need to go out of their way to show his partner.

...but yeah, the Niners drafted well...I just hope the team across The Bay did too.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...unreal, isn't it? Did they really feel the need to use this picture? ;
...

I guess it was either this one or the kissing one or the one of them pushing cake into each others face. I'd go with this one.

Gee-zu-s... the World According To Garp. Which one's the TE...?

Can someone pass me the Windex...? I just hurled on the Screen...!

 

[Mattingly23NY]