No Comments on the "Dream Act" Passing the House last night?

[oldguy]

More of that transparency we were promised by the prez, I guess.

Time to pay off the Latino voters, I guess.

Go Blazers

 

[maxiep]

It won't pass the Senate.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think its ridiculous. But I think a lot of things are and they pass.

My theory is to bring everyone down from the inside.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I wonder how we can smuggle in highly qualified chinese and indian students. steal the mental power from those countries and make them citizens. bypass the whole H1B visa shit.

Interesting...i wonder how long it takes to become a naturalized citizen. gotta ask my cousin. 4 years of college as an illegal may actually be a fast track versus doing it the normal way.

 

[Denny Crane]

More of that transparency we were promised by the prez, I guess.

Time to pay off the Latino voters, I guess.

Go Blazers

It was expected the lame duck congress would address this.

You seem opposed to it... I'm in favor of it. Even if you feel they're here illegally, if they've served in the military over in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, it seems to me they deserve a path to citizenship for that alone.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

furthermore, if someone breaks into your house but just cleans it, they should be given a room in the house to live in on the homeowner's dime!

also, no way in hell non-US citizens should be enlisted in the armed forces for the United States.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

BTW, I loved the stupid fucking facebook meme going around yesterday:

Your car is Japanese. Your beer is German. Your wine is Spanish. Your
democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Colombian. Your tea is Chinese. Your
fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio
is Korean. Your vodka is Russian. & then you complain your neighbor
is an immigrant? Pull yourself together. Voice your support for the
DREAM Act!!

All of those things were imported LEGALLY. Big huge difference.

 

[MARIS61]

furthermore, if someone breaks into your house but just cleans it, they should be given a room in the house to live in on the homeowner's dime!

also, no way in hell non-US citizens should be enlisted in the armed forces for the United States.

Seems like common sense.

 

[oldguy]

It was expected the lame duck congress would address this.

You seem opposed to it... I'm in favor of it. Even if you feel they're here illegally, if they've served in the military over in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, it seems to me they deserve a path to citizenship for that alone.

Illegals that serve in the military are a TINY minority of illegals here.

There are literally hundreds of millions of people that would like to come to the US. Why do tens of millions of Latinos move to the head of the line over every freak'n one of them?

Go Blazers

 

[oldmangrouch]

furthermore, if someone breaks into your house but just cleans it, they should be given a room in the house to live in on the homeowner's dime!

also, no way in hell non-US citizens should be enlisted in the armed forces for the United States.

Non-citizens have used service in the US military as a fast track to citizenship since the civil war. Why would you suddenly consider it a problem?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Non-citizens have used service in the US military as a fast track to citizenship since the civil war. Why would you suddenly consider it a problem?

I don't agree with it. I don't think that foreign nationals should serve as american soldiers in the military.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I don't agree with it. I don't think that foreign nationals should serve as american soldiers in the military.

Sorry, but you are flying in the face of history.

It used to be that any male (of the appropriate age) living on US soil was subject to the draft. It has never been an issue.

Frankly, I don't understand your paranoia on immigrants.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't have paranoia with "immigrants". I don't think illegals should be able to bypass the standard paths to citizenship that my and many other ethnic groups must endure. The problem is that people who are illegal shouldn't even be here.

 

[barfo]

I don't have paranoia with "immigrants". I don't think illegals should be able to bypass the standard paths to citizenship that my and many other ethnic groups must endure.

I'm afraid I've forgotten what your ethnic group is, but please explain the "standard path to citizenship" for a citizen of Mexico.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Swim across a river, then go to college?

 

[barfo]

Swim across a river, then go to college?

So you don't think they should be able to bypass that? Which river did you swim across?

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...nnel=d84d6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

general pathway. i was born here. parents immigrated, lived in Canada for a while then to the US.

 

[barfo]

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...nnel=d84d6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

general pathway. i was born here. parents immigrated, lived in Canada for a while then to the US.

So, get a green card, then get citizenship. So, how do you go about getting a green card?

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So, get a green card, then get citizenship. So, how do you go about getting a green card?

barfo

You move to the US as a resident alien. There are varying laws and its usually a selective process. I've had several relatives who have moved to the United States this year. Not too sure about the general process, but it involves paperwork.

You have to apply for the green card I believe. Takes a few years. Interview, test, blah blah blah.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Internets:

Who is a Permanent Resident?

A permanent resident is someone who has been granted authorization to live and work in the United States on a permanent basis. As proof of that status, a person is granted a permanent resident card, commonly called a "green card." You can become a permanent resident several different ways. Most individuals are sponsored by a family member or employer in the United States. Other individuals may become permanent residents through refugee or asylee status or other humanitarian programs. In some cases, you may be eligible to file for yourself.

The steps to become a permanent resident are different for each category and will depend on if you are currently living inside or outside the United States. The main categories are listed below. More information is available in the links to the left.

* Green Card Through Family
How to apply for permanent residence when a family member petitions for you
* Green Card Through a Job
How to apply for permanent residence based on a job offer or employment
* Green Card Through Refugee or Asylum Status
How to apply for permanent residence when you have been granted refugee or asylum status
* Other Ways to Get a Green Card
Learn about the many other ways that you may qualify for permanent residence

If you are unsure which immigration path best fits your particular situation, see the "Green Card Processes & Procedures" link to the left which includes:

* Green Card Eligibility
Learn who can apply for permanent residence
* Adjustment of Status
Learn about the multi-step process for individuals inside the United States that want to get a green card
* Consular Processing
Learn about the multi-step process for individuals outside the United States that want to get a green card

If you are already a permanent resident, see the "After the Green Card Is Granted" link to the left for more information about renewing or replacing your green card, travel outside the United States, your rights and responsibilities as a permanent resident, conditional residency, and more.

 

[barfo]

You move to the US as a resident alien. There are varying laws and its usually a selective process. I've had several relatives who have moved to the United States this year. Not too sure about the general process, but it involves paperwork.

You have to apply for the green card I believe. Takes a few years. Interview, test, blah blah blah.

How many green cards are given to citizens from Mexico?

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How many green cards are given to citizens from Mexico?

barfo

I don't know.

 

[barfo]

I don't know.

You should find out.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If you pay me I will.

 

[barfo]

If you pay me I will.

Ok. I'll pay you in rep points if you put some numbers up about how many green cards are available to Mexicans.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_(United_States)

Here are the quotas and the backlogs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_(United_States)#Immigration_eligibility_and_quotas

Hey, but why wait that long when you can just swim!

No more than 7 percent of the visas may be issued to natives of any one country. Currently, individuals from China (mainland), India, Mexico and the Philippines are subject to per-country quotas in most of the categories, and the waiting time may take longer. As of June 2009, in some categories, USCIS is still processing applications filled in 2001.

oh wait, those are VISAs. same thing?

 

[barfo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_(United_States)

Here are the quotas and the backlogs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_residence_(United_States)#Immigration_eligibility_and_quotas

Hey, but why wait that long when you can just swim!




oh wait, those are VISAs.

Yeah. So basically, there is no route to citizenship if you are Mexican, unless you happen to qualify in certain special categories.
So let's not have any more of this "they aren't willing to fill out the paperwork" crap. Truth is, there is no legal way to immigrate for most (and even for the few who do qualify, it takes many years).

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah. So basically, there is no route to citizenship if you are Mexican, unless you happen to qualify in certain special categories.
So let's not have any more of this "they aren't willing to fill out the paperwork" crap. Truth is, there is no legal way to immigrate for most (and even for the few who do qualify, it takes many years).

barfo

Then wait. Its the same wait as other countries. My relatives have waited over a decade to come here and live here. Live in Mexico and stay there then if you can't. Don't come here illegally and then assume people who have had to go through the proper channels aren't weary because you took a short cut to do so. If you want to work in the US, then joint a migrant worker program.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There is no backlog for:

Priority workers. There are three sub-groups:Foreign nationals with extraordinary ability in sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics OR Foreign nationals that are outstanding professors or researchers with at least three years' experience in teaching or research and who are recognized internationally. OR Foreign nationals that are managers and executives subject to international transfer to the United States.

 

[barfo]

Then wait. Its the same wait as other countries. My relatives have waited over a decade to come here and live here.

And do you think that's reasonable? What did your relatives gain by waiting over a decade? What did the US gain? What did anyone gain? Why is that not just a fucking stupid waste of time?

barfo