No indictment for officer in choking death of man

[PDXFonz]

If your point is that you've been brainwashed to think that shit is ok, agreed.

I'll find that homeless guy they killed for camping after a standoff and let you defend it too.

Can you point out where I said it was okay? Because that thought never existed within me so I would love to be astonished and see where it says that in my post. The fact of the matter is if you have 20 guns pointed at you and you are outwardly defiant you are asking to be shot.

Do not be aggressive, do not be argumentative and defiant, put your hands up and do as they say...Those rules are there to prevent these types of situations from happening and to protect the lives of the officers and individuals involved.

You do that, and seek to avoid confrontation such as the man in the video who was choked to death, and then we have a completely different story. You show aggression and defiance and you end up like Michael Brown or the man in that video.

There comes a point when you have to protect the people who are there to protect us.

If we are to grow and better ourselves as humans it is imperative we learn to distinguish the difference between two seperate occasions. We tend to convolute things and end up comparing apples to oranges.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

There comes a point when you have to protect the people who are there to protect us.

I think somehow they will be ok

 

[oldmangrouch]

"Bite the pillow bitch - I'm going in dry!"

In what universe is that proper police procedure?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Can you point out where I said it was okay? Because that thought never existed within me so I would love to be astonished and see where it says that in my post. The fact of the matter is if you have 20 guns pointed at you and you are outwardly defiant you are asking to be shot.

Do not be aggressive, do not be argumentative and defiant, put your hands up and do as they say...Those rules are there to prevent these types of situations from happening and to protect the lives of the officers and individuals involved.

You do that, and seek to avoid confrontation such as the man in the video who was choked to death, and then we have a completely different story. You show aggression and defiance and you end up like Michael Brown or the man in that video.

There comes a point when you have to protect the people who are there to protect us.

If we are to grow and better ourselves as humans it is imperative we learn to distinguish the difference between two seperate occasions. We tend to convolute things and end up comparing apples to oranges.

Bunch of gobbledygook. Maybe the cops should use their tanks so they aren't afraid of a slow moving guy who does nothing to deserve to die.

 

[PDXFonz]

I think somehow they will be ok

Watch the video mags posted where the police officer is murdered by a crazed war vet. You are guilty of comparing apples to oranges. Not one man is alike, and in posting a picture to speak to the extreme you do yourself an injustice by failing to considering the opposite.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I think she was truant or something like that if I remember correctly

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think somehow they will be ok

Haha! That one police officer only has a flip phone. What a loser! I'll be able to tweet when getting beaten but he won't be able to. I win!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It might sound bad due to the outcome but the honest truth is he didn't put his hands up when asked. He was apprehensive. Should he have gotten out of the car and put his hands up and this still happens then it is an entirely different story.

This video is a perfect example of how we are quick to form opinions without having proper evidence....which is different than doing the wrong thing when provided with substatial evidence.

Nobody should die because of a mistake, but that is what happened here. You can't have that open amount of defiance in that situation and expect the officers not to become fearful for their lives.

This entire post says you think it is ok.

 

[PDXFonz]

Haha! That one police officer only has a flip phone. What a loser! I'll be able to tweet when getting beaten but he won't be able to. I win!

That's actually a secret new weapon used to subdue hipsters. It's called the exploding phone.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think she was truant or something like that if I remember correctly

I dumb, truant means about to kill a baby?

 

[PDXFonz]

This entire post says you think it is ok.

I think it's ignorant to argue the reasoning behind the officers decision because all you can actually conclude is why the man was shot.

We are looking at these problems trying to use a specific incident to point to a problem when the truth is the problem doesn't lie in the incident itself. And in deciding to take a defiant stance this individual signified to the officers that they would oppose them no matter what.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Watch the video mags posted where the police officer is murdered by a crazed war vet. You are guilty of comparing apples to oranges. Not one man is alike, and in posting a picture to speak to the extreme you do yourself an injustice by failing to considering the opposite.

Fair is fair, the cop had a gun, did he not?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Obama Offers New Standards on Police Gear in Wake of Ferguson Protests


WASHINGTON — President Obama, grappling with how to respond to the racial unrest in Ferguson, Mo., and a wave of anger at law enforcement officials across the country, said Monday that he would tighten standards on the provision of military-style equipment to local police departments and provide funds for police officers to wear cameras.

But Mr. Obama stopped short of curtailing the transfer of military-grade gear to local law enforcement authorities and continued to put off a visit to Ferguson. Instead, the White House tried to channel the rage over the fatal police shooting of a black teenager there into a national debate about how to restore trust between the police and the public.


Administration officials said they concluded after a review that the vast majority of transfers of military-style equipment strengthened local policing, even after the police in Ferguson were criticized for heavy-handed use of such gear to quell protests last summer. But the officials said local authorities needed common standards in the types of hardware they requested and better training in how to use it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/u...standards-on-police-use-of-military-gear.html

 

[oldmangrouch]

I think somehow they will be ok

http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Lifesize-Space-Marine-Armor-in-352-Terribly-/step15/Show-Off/

By Gawd - it's time to stop playing around!

 

[PDXFonz]

Fair is fair, the cop had a gun, did he not?

You are joking, right?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

As far as the guy getting shot with his hands up, that shit happens everyday. Cops throw a party.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-Lifesize-Space-Marine-Armor-in-352-Terribly-/step15/Show-Off/

By Gawd - it's time to stop playing around!

Must have!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Obama Offers New Standards on Police Gear in Wake of Ferguson Protests


WASHINGTON — President Obama, grappling with how to respond to the racial unrest in Ferguson, Mo., and a wave of anger at law enforcement officials across the country, said Monday that he would tighten standards on the provision of military-style equipment to local police departments and provide funds for police officers to wear cameras.

But Mr. Obama stopped short of curtailing the transfer of military-grade gear to local law enforcement authorities and continued to put off a visit to Ferguson. Instead, the White House tried to channel the rage over the fatal police shooting of a black teenager there into a national debate about how to restore trust between the police and the public.


Administration officials said they concluded after a review that the vast majority of transfers of military-style equipment strengthened local policing, even after the police in Ferguson were criticized for heavy-handed use of such gear to quell protests last summer. But the officials said local authorities needed common standards in the types of hardware they requested and better training in how to use it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/u...standards-on-police-use-of-military-gear.html

I love this! Obama just did the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

There isn't a problem with giving local police departments military grade equipment as along as they're trained not to use it as military grade equipment.

I'm sure that will work.

 

[PDXFonz]

I love this! Obama just did the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

There isn't a problem with giving local police departments military grade equipment as along as they're trained not to use it as military grade equipment.

I'm sure that will work.

There's no truer statement than "guns don't kill people, people kill people." I'm not even a NRA advocate or pro gun lobbyer.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Toasters don't toast toast - toast toasts toast!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

You are joking, right?

Cops aren't being forced to be cops. He knew what he was getting into.

cops killed in line of duty at 50 year low

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There's no truer statement than "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

No it's not. It's an oversimplification to a complex problem. And for the record I am pro gun.

Obama's training solution is complete BS. I can train someone to use to chain saw to cut their fingernails. But that doesn't mean it's the correct and best tool for the job. We have the best trained and equipped military in the world. Should equipment that is designed to be used for kill and destroy objectives be used in local serve and project environments? I say no.

 

[PDXFonz]

No it's not. It's an oversimplification to a complex problem. And for the record I am pro gun.

Obama's training solution is complete BS. I can train someone to use to chain saw to cut their fingernails. But that doesn't mean it's the correct and best tool for the job. We have the best trained and equipped military in the world. Should equipment that is designed to be used for kill and destroy objectives be used in local serve and project environments? I say no.

It's a way to identify that the problem is deeper than we assume but is by no way an over simplification. Have you ever seen a gun kill somebody without any human intervention? You can only argue that term if you answer yes to that question.

The problem is that we don't understand ourselves well enough to have guns without using them to kill others.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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[MarAzul]

No it's not. It's an oversimplification to a complex problem. And for the record I am pro gun.

Obama's training solution is complete BS. I can train someone to use to chain saw to cut their fingernails. But that doesn't mean it's the correct and best tool for the job. We have the best trained and equipped military in the world. Should equipment that is designed to be used for kill and destroy objectives be used in local serve and project environments? I say no.

It is getting difficult to back the cops watching this shit go down. I don't think the Cop in Ferguson should be put on trial, but that doesn't make the police procedures correct.
Now those Cops in Staten Is are another matter. Damn this sucks to have that Grand jury let those guys off when they did indeed kill a guy for selling cigarettes but they would even bother with a guy peddling pot. Completely excessive force applied way too long.
Now the Feds are going to step in and you know Holders is going to nail someone. I hate to see the Feds do it because it is not suppose to work that way. The grand jury in NY and or the Prosecutor failed to preform their rightful function and fuck, here comes Holder and the feds. Damn!!

 

[MARIS61]

Being a cop is a relatively safe job, much safer than the jobs all us Average Joes and Janes do everyday. I've worked 2 of the top 10 most dangerous occupations, and I bet most of you have worked at least one.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/ar...t-dangerous-jobs-in-the-us/page/#.VIAqW2eFmkw

Funny none of us ever felt the need to choke an immobile obese man to death, or sneak up on a 12 year old playing in the park and blow him away. Go figure.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The cop was probably going to get a blowie out of it. Nah, really that is awesome.

 

[MarAzul]

Being a cop is a relatively safe job, much safer than the jobs all us Average Joes and Janes do everyday. I've worked 2 of the top 10 most dangerous occupations, and I bet most of you have worked at least one.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/ar...t-dangerous-jobs-in-the-us/page/#.VIAqW2eFmkw

Funny none of us ever felt the need to choke an immobile obese man to death, or sneak up on a 12 year old playing in the park and blow him away. Go figure.

I have done a few of those myself. The logger, the farmer, the construction work.
Not exactly my best roles, but then I don't think I should have been a police officer either,
I suspect my temperament is not ideal, perhaps even the wrong character type. Just a gut feel.

I have empathy for these guys doing what I don't want to do, but dang it does get out of control too often. There was a case here on the south coast a few years back where an officer in plain cloth with an unmarked police vehicle shot a man dead. The man had rush out of his house while the officer was inspecting the guys car. Apparently he frightened the cop enough to use his weapon. Turns out the officer was at the wrong address, the car nor the guy he shot had squat to do with what ever he was investigating. No charges or wrong doing was the finding in his case. uh bull shit! Nothing racist about it either, so the Holder would have no handle.

 

[MarAzul]

The cop was probably going to get a blowie out of it. Nah, really that is awesome.

Sly, you're damn near rotten to the core! But not quite yet.

Oh! sorry Sly, that was the Bman.