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Rhal said:
I like the idea of calling detriot too but i'd offer it for Drummond/singler. We can easily get a better Monroe in Al Jefferson this off season.
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What would you supposed would pry that deal? i would suspect we would have to include Aldridge in this deal. Personally I think that's too much.
 
magnifier661 said:
What would you supposed would pry that deal? i would suspect we would have to include Aldridge in this deal. Personally I think that's too much.
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It was based on Fez's premise that we win the Lottery.
 
Detroit hired Phil Jackson to hire their coach. Odd. Why would he choose Nate and why would they need Phil's help with that decision? Are they hoping Phil will pick himself?
 
KingSpeed said:
Detroit hired Phil Jackson to hire their coach. Odd. Why would he choose Nate and why would they need Phil's help with that decision? Are they hoping Phil will pick himself?
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Hmm could it have to do with how they are setup in wanting to run there offense through there big guys (Drummond/Monroe) and a coach who could implement something similar to the Triangle is what they want? Only reason I could think of them hiring phil jackson to help them pick a coach.
 
KingSpeed said:
Detroit hired Phil Jackson to hire their coach. Odd. Why would he choose Nate and why would they need Phil's help with that decision? Are they hoping Phil will pick himself?
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Apparently Phil and the DET Owner are very good buddies. You would have to think Brian Shaw would be the favorite if Jackson is picking the coach.
 
I think trading Matthews would be a mistake. There are better players out there, but are there better/tougher players as willing and as able to play their role? Plus, he's a huge locker room glue guy (no homo)...
 
If Blazers are looking for a trading partner:

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
With hiring of Boston's McDonough, Suns direction is clear: No more stopgap short-term free agents, rebuild through multiple picks in draft.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
If Blazers are looking for a trading partner:

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
With hiring of Boston's McDonough, Suns direction is clear: No more stopgap short-term free agents, rebuild through multiple picks in draft.
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The Dude heard on the radio as well that this hiring made the trading of Marcin Gortat more likely as well. They even mentioned Portland by name as a team that would be first in line to acquire him. Their deal was #10 and Meyers Leonard for Gortat and Dudley. They also mentioned that Portland would still have several million to sign more players. I count around 4 million left. But that is enough for Jermaine Oneal and re-signing Eric Maynor and Elliott Williams perhaps.

Lillard/Maynor
Matthews/Barton/Williams
Batum/Dudley
Aldridge/Claver/Freeland
Gortat/Oneal

Playoffs?
 
The Dude said:
The Dude heard on the radio as well that this hiring made the trading of Marcin Gortat more likely as well. They even mentioned Portland by name as a team that would be first in line to acquire him. Their deal was #10 and Meyers Leonard for Gortat and Dudley. They also mentioned that Portland would still have several million to sign more players. I count around 4 million left. But that is enough for Jermaine Oneal and re-signing Eric Maynor and Elliott Williams perhaps.

Lillard/Maynor
Matthews/Barton/Williams
Batum/Dudley
Aldridge/Claver/Freeland
Gortat/Oneal

Playoffs?
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If that is the deal then make it done! I sign off on that trade.

The only concern (for me) would be that Gortat expires after next season. We would have his bird rights and could theoretically offer him the most however.
 
The Dude said:
Lillard/Maynor
Matthews/Barton/Williams
Batum/Dudley
Aldridge/Claver/Freeland
Gortat/Oneal

Playoffs?
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Maybe an 8 seed if healthy.

I'll take one good guard to play 30mpg at a high level over < 20mpg of Maynor + Dudley.
 
In a year or two, I think Leonard will be better than Gortat. And Dudley is a decent player but has less value than the #10 pick. That doesn't sound like a great deal.
 
handiman said:
In a year or two, I think Leonard will be better than Gortat. And Dudley is a decent player but has less value than the #10 pick. That doesn't sound like a great deal.
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This is where I come down as well. Freeland and the 10, sure. But not Leonard.
 
handiman said:
In a year or two, I think Leonard will be better than Gortat. And Dudley is a decent player but has less value than the #10 pick. That doesn't sound like a great deal.
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^This.

I wouldn't mind going after Gortat, though. But I'd like to keep Leonard, also.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
^This.

I wouldn't mind going after Gortat, though. But I'd like to keep Leonard, also.
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I agree. I think Gortat would be the starter for a couple years, then when Leonard is ready, he can take over the duties. Regardless, it's really a win win, since Gortat is a damn good pick and roll player. He can teach Leonard a few things during his development.
 
magnifier661 said:
I agree. I think Gortat would be the starter for a couple years, then when Leonard is ready, he can take over the duties. Regardless, it's really a win win, since Gortat is a damn good pick and roll player. He can teach Leonard a few things during his development.
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Exactly. He can also teach some effort on D, rebounding, etc. Gortat is, what, 29-30? So he's got a couple of good seasons remaining, but as he fades, Leonard should be stepping up.
 
I'd probably trade either #10 or Leonard for Gortat, but certainly not both... that'd be a horrible deal, especially if Gortat decided to leave next summer in Free Agency.
 
NOt sure what you guys saw out of Leonard that made you think he will be at Gortat's level in a year or two.
 
handiman said:
In a year or two, I think Leonard will be better than Gortat. And Dudley is a decent player but has less value than the #10 pick. That doesn't sound like a great deal.
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In a year or two Leonard is going to put up better stats than 15.4 pts/game, 10.0 rbs/game and 1.5 blks/game?
 
I don't think Gortat is a needle mover. Olshey wants to accumulate chips for the big trade for that superstar. Giving up a couple of chips for Gortat doesn't seem to fit.

Now Gortat in a way could be considered a chip (expiring contract that can help in the playoffs) and trading one chip for another works.

#10 or Lenard works for me. But there goes about 5 million in cap space. That or keep Lenard, the #10 and get a top shelf free agent? Just don't see Gortat raising this team to another level.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I don't think Gortat is a needle mover. Olshey wants to accumulate chips for the big trade for that superstar. Giving up a couple of chips for Gortat doesn't seem to fit.

Now Gortat in a way could be considered a chip (expiring contract that can help in the playoffs) and trading one chip for another works.

#10 or Lenard works for me. But there goes about 5 million in cap space. That or keep Lenard, the #10 and get a top shelf free agent? Just don't see Gortat raising this team to another level.
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You're assuming we can land a top shelf free agent. BIG assumption.

Especially looking at the market. I really think we are limited to C, and a dynamic SG. I think Olshey prefers the trade route (he has said as much.)
 
Olshey never said he wanted a top of the line Center. He said he wanted a very good Defensive Center.

I don't think you can say Gortat is top 5 for Defense but he is light years better at D then Hickson and he maybe top 10 all-around Centers in the League.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
In a year or two Leonard is going to put up better stats than 15.4 pts/game, 10.0 rbs/game and 1.5 blks/game?
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Yeah, when I try too hard to sell my point, I usually pick a small sliver of one's career (aka the career year). It's like me talking Flip Murray's unbelievable run or Lin's and saying that's the player they are, rather than looking at their complete body of work.

This was the 2011-12 season, not last year. It's his best year of his 7-year career. Prior to that, he hadn't come close to those numbers save for the prior season, and his numbers this season were down from his career year. And his career numbers are okay, but not great.

By the time Leonard is 28 (Gortat's career year) or 26/27 and in his 6th season (Gortat's career year was his sixth season), it would not surprise me if Leonard could match Gortat's season.
 
Spending the majority of our assets (pick + salary flexibility) for Gortat and mediocre bench players is the prefect recipe to become a treadmill team with no prospects of advancing in the playoffs.

Go big or don't go at all. Try to hit a home run with the pick on a wing (Oladipo/Shabazz) or use Leonard/10/FA to both get a center like Gortat AND a good wing like Tyreke/Iggy/etc. If that fails, save the space for next summer.
 
The Dude said:
The Dude heard on the radio as well that this hiring made the trading of Marcin Gortat more likely as well. They even mentioned Portland by name as a team that would be first in line to acquire him. Their deal was #10 and Meyers Leonard for Gortat and Dudley. They also mentioned that Portland would still have several million to sign more players. I count around 4 million left. But that is enough for Jermaine Oneal and re-signing Eric Maynor and Elliott Williams perhaps.

Lillard/Maynor
Matthews/Barton/Williams
Batum/Dudley
Aldridge/Claver/Freeland
Gortat/Oneal

Playoffs?
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Can we roll Dudley into another deal for a pack of smokes and a fist full of beef jerkey? I will if I have to, but I really don't want to root for a team with that dude on it...
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yeah, when I try too hard to sell my point, I usually pick a small sliver of one's career (aka the career year). It's like me talking Flip Murray's unbelievable run or Lin's and saying that's the player they are, rather than looking at their complete body of work.

This was the 2011-12 season, not last year. It's his best year of his 7-year career. Prior to that, he hadn't come close to those numbers save for the prior season, and his numbers this season were down from his career year. And his career numbers are okay, but not great.

By the time Leonard is 28 (Gortat's career year) or 26/27 and in his 6th season (Gortat's career year was his sixth season), it would not surprise me if Leonard could match Gortat's season.
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First, Flip or Lin never did it for a full season. They both exploded for part of a year.

Second, I have no doubt that Leonard should have a good chance to do some of those numbers by his 6th Season. POR doesn't seem willing to wait that long however.

And Gortat was hurt for quite a few games and limited in the games he did play and still did 11/8.5/1.6. Do you know the number of NBA Centers who did that this year? 4 Gortat, Duncan, Howard, and Noah. Hibbert and a few others just missed out.
 
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