Noah over Oden?
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You sure about that?
Oden's career averages--21.8 min, 9.0 pts, 7.2 reb, 1.3 blk, 57% FG, 65% FT.
Noah's career averages--23.0 min, 6.9 pts, 6.9 reb, 1.2 blk, 52% FG, 68% FT.
I think I would say that Oden has had a better career so far.
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Right NOW, meaning this season not years past which everyone loves talking about, Noah is playing better. Everyone is saying IF he keeps out of foul trouble but thats part of the game. Oden will most definitely be better soon but as of now i see Noah being a big part of why the bulls are keeping up with most teams so far
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Ironic that Noah was the one who fouled out while his team lost last night while Oden had zero fouls and dominated in his team's victory.
0 - 9 games is really too small of a sample size to reach any conclusions about theses two players for this season - especially since they are both still improving, but at different rates.
It's a long season. It would be interesting to re-visit this thread at the mid point and end of this season.
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He fouled out when the game was already over with around 2 minutes left in the game. You're right it is too soon to assume. We'll just have to wait
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Sure Noah has been more productive to date, but Sam Smith is saying that it is a toss up whether Noah should have been drafted ahead of Oden in the 2007 draft knowing what we know now. Boy... Noah's a good player, but that seems like a real stretch. Of course, Sam Smith probably hasn't been watching Oden play this year. If the point of the article is that Noah has been playing better than his draft position, then I guess I agree. If in the process he wanted to stretch things and say Noah is more valuable than Oden now, a little white lie never hurt anyone.
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Oden has missed over 100 games to injury, that is not something to just ignore.
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Of the players you list, Oden was the only one under contract to an NBA team in 07-08. He was eligible to take the court for the Blazers - the other players were not.
As for the NBA being "unambiguous" about his status, answer me this: will Oden's rookie contract expire the same time as Durant's, Horford's, et al....or one year later?
Oden missed his entire rookie season to injuries. This is a BAD thing....and yet people keep trying to twist it into some kind of positive thing!
This is the kind of debate that makes fans of other teams laugh at Blazer fans.
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He was never on the active roster. So technically, he was not elligible to take the court. Darius Miles and Steve Francis were also under contract to the Blazers for the 2007-08 season. Neither of them played for us either.
Being under contract and playing are two diferent things. Oden is not the first to be in this situation. In addition to players on buy outs, who are under contract, get paid and and count against the teams cap and luxury tax, Oden is not the first player to be under contract but miss an entire season due to injury. The exact same thing happened to Nick Collison. Oden was under contract in 2007-08 (nobody disputes that), but he did not play. The NBA officially considered 2008-09 season Oden's rookie year. They selected him for the rookie team in the 2009 Rookie-Sophomore Challenge. By your definition, he should have been considered for the Sophomore team. He was also eligible for ROY voting for the 2008-09 season. The NBA very clearly considers 2008-09 as Oden's rookie season and this as his second season. Doesn't matter what you think That's the official word.
I've never said it's a positive thing. It's a non-event. I can't evaluate how Oden played in 2007-08, because he didn't play. Why is that so difficult to understand.
This is the kind of debate that makes fans of other teams laugh at Blazer fans.
Yeah, they laugh because one Blazer fan thinks his twisted defnition of "rookie" is more valid than the NBA's official definition.
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Noah "has been" more "productive" than Greg Oden. Who cares?
Noah has more college experience. Noah has more NBA experience. And yet, a still inexperienced Greg Oden dominates games when he's on the floor, compared to Noah. The only pertinent questions are who is better, who will be better, and who will most help their team achieve a championship.
Is there really a reasonable basketball observer who thinks that person is Noah, over Greg Oden? I highly doubt it.
Noah has more college experience. Noah has more NBA experience. And yet, a still inexperienced Greg Oden dominates games when he's on the floor, compared to Noah. The only pertinent questions are who is better, who will be better, and who will most help their team achieve a championship.
Is there really a reasonable basketball observer who thinks that person is Noah, over Greg Oden? I highly doubt it.
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That qualifier eliminates both Sam Smith and anyone else that would prefer Noah over Oden.
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This thread becomes comedy.
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We've beaten the bulls my nearly 70 points combined over the last two games we've played here. The day Noah outplays Oden in a head to head matchup will be his first.
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The Blazers announcers on NBA TV said that maybe Oden had read Smith's article. Smith was at the game and they showed him on camera while they were talking about the article.
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As a dwarf you know about "low blows" don't you Hanky, Oden last night and recently has you looking like the fool you are.
Oden closing in on Dwight Howard's PER...
Code:
Rnk Player TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER
1 Tim Duncan 0.568 16.4 8.2 23.8 11.3 29.0 20.5 26.64
2 Dwight How 0.635 7.6 15.6 22.0 13.0 29.4 20.9 24.06
3 Greg Oden 0.677 6.9 17.2 18.0 14.0 26.3 20.5 22.82
4 Nazr Moham 0.584 5.0 9.9 20.5 13.4 23.4 18.4 22.70
5 Andrew Byn 0.629 6.6 11.7 19.6 10.2 22.0 16.2 22.67
6 Marc Gasol 0.676 12.4 14.3 15.7 10.2 25.3 17.8 21.81
7 Al Horford 0.607 13.7 9.3 15.7 9.6 24.5 17.1 20.93
8 David Lee 0.566 13.1 11.6 21.6 7.7 26.9 16.8 20.08
9 Joakim Noah 0.583 17.3 13 15.1 13.0 26.9 19.7 19.59- Joined
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Trade for Nazr!!
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Guys like Sam Smith never admit they are wrong. But then I seldom do either:
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bull...d-sends-bulls-to-third-straight-big-loss.html
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bull...d-sends-bulls-to-third-straight-big-loss.html
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"Oden, who isn’t exactly looking like he’s ready to dominate the NBA. But he’s no longer looking lost and though somewhat mechanical, with his strength and size he is becoming something of a force inside."
He actually wrote that AFTER last night's ass kicking.
Well, he may not be ready to dominate the NBA, but he is certainly ready to dominate Joakim Noah and the Chicago Bulls.
Amazing, Oden totally destroyed the Bulls last night 24 PT, 12 REB, 2BLK, 7-8 FG, 10-12 FTs in less than 27 minutes and that only makes him "something" of a force inside. Sheesh. Sam Smith is the ultimate myopic homer.
Noah is a good energy hustle guy (like Anderson Varejao), but he's not close to the player Oden is now. Oden already wipes the floor with him - and Noah is 3 years older and has very limited upside. Last night's performance clearly illustrates the difference between a dominant center and a nice hustle guy who is physically overmatched at the center position.
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noah has been having a great year. and marc gasol is a beast as well.
anyone notice no brook lopez on there? Blowpez is 15th in center PER and is shooting .446. i thought he was supposed to be better than oden too
anyone notice no brook lopez on there? Blowpez is 15th in center PER and is shooting .446. i thought he was supposed to be better than oden too
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I kind of doubt he needed Sam Smith to motivate him, what with all the OSU-Florida history, I just think this is the player he's slowly maturing into.
Conversely, I really think Noah is still a pretty damn good center, despite the way he played against Oden last night. I think getting bodied up all week by guys like Bynum, Gasol, Nene, etc. and then Pryzbilla and Oden last night has worn him down ... and he alluded to this in his post game comments last night (it probably doesn't help that he was the only front-court player worth a damn on the Bulls roster -- Taj Gibson is ... "raw").
Not to diminish what he does in the hustle department, but the real problem I see for Joachim is that I just don't think he is a guy who can command double teams or score from the block, and I'm not sure he's capable of single covering the truly overpowering physical guys in the league who have both height and bulk advantages. He's still a steal considering his draft position.
