Noah Vonleh... and discuss

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B-Roy said:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...onleh-After-Finding-No-Takers-For-Cody-Zeller
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You beat me. Thanks to RealGM for leading to this article.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...another-run/jz6d0282fPgNejW4aXnVAK/story.html#

Why did the Hornets move 19-year-old Noah Vonleh after just one injury-plagued season? Because they tried to move former fourth overall pick Cody Zeller but found no takers. The Hornets were looking to lighten their frontcourt with the addition of Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky and found Vonleh, a Haverhill native, carried more value than Zeller. Vonleh has been impressive for the Trail Blazers in summer league, making the deal even more curious for the Hornets.
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Quantity cheapens value; scarcity increases it. Especially when you expect to get another one every year.

The Clippers used to get an early 1st-round pick every year. Many would leave at the ends of their contracts, but the team didn't mind. Charlotte had Noah Vonleh, Cody Zeller, Frank Kaminsky, Al Jefferson, and Marvin Williams.

Imagine how valuable Aldridge is to the Spurs.
 
Flip the last name around and you almost have Levon...I still like his jersey number..21..Blackjack!
 
This means a parade in Portland.

First Team
Kyle Anderson (San Antonio)
Seth Curry (New Orleans)
Doug McDermott (Chicago)
Norman Powell (Toronto)
T.J. Warren (Phoenix)

Second Team
Larry Drew II (New Orleans)
Emmanuel Mudiay (Denver)
Dwight Powell (Dallas)
Noah Vonleh (Portland)
Alan Williams (Houston)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rs-kyle-anderson-named-nba-summer-league-mvp/

Championship game today 6 pm PT.
 
I think Von will challenge Myers for the starting pf. The reason is I am not sold on Myers yet. Yes he has improve his game but Von is little more skill then Myers.
 
Trackjack said:
I think Von will challenge Myers for the starting pf. The reason is I am not sold on Myers yet. Yes he has improve his game but Von is little more skill then Myers.
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Maybe eventually, but not this year, IMO. Vonleh is a gifted athlete and has a lot of potential, but he has zilch experience and couldn't crack Charlotte's rotation last year. My guess is that he's the 3rd option at PF to start the season behind Davis and Leonard.
 
Will Davis and Plumlee ever see the court at the same time? If not We'll see a duo of Leonard/Plumlee, Davis/Leonard, Vonleh/Davis, Vonleh/Plumlee. Also depends what we do with Kaman.
 
I think Meyers has a higher ceiling, but Vonleh is more likely to hit his ceiling than Meyers is.

Per 36min, Meyers hit 14pts and 15reb last year. Meyers ceiling seems to be a decent rim protector who could average 18-20 pts and 13 rebounds with somewhat of a Dirk game. But, I think it will be hard for him to hit that. I can see Vonleh averaging 15-20 pts and 11 reb and holding there pretty easily.
 
Reep said:
I think Meyers has a higher ceiling, but Vonleh is more likely to hit his ceiling than Meyers is.

Per 36min, Meyers hit 14pts and 15reb last year. Meyers ceiling seems to be a decent rim protector who could average 18-20 pts and 13 rebounds with somewhat of a Dirk game. But, I think it will be hard for him to hit that. I can see Vonleh averaging 15-20 pts and 11 reb and holding there pretty easily.
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U & I r not too far off on what u r saying here. I think Meyers ceiling is 18 & 10 (I'd b VERY surprised if he averages this many boards; reality will b more like 16pts/game w/ 8 rebs/game; which is very good & I'd b happy w/ this:smile: When he starts playing/starting entire games & when he's actually on ppl's radar/scouting reports + fatigue, the #'s change) max; I'd b over the moon if he gets here:smiley-fingersx: Vonleh has higher scoring ability/instincts in the post (this includes getting to the line) & of course can also stretch the floor (I think over both of their careers Meyers will shoot the 3 better bc he's already proven that he can knock that down quite well) well. Vonleh's ceiling is 20pts/game & I think he'll definitely get to averaging 18pts/game. He's a very good rebounder too; I like Meyers as a rebounder BUT I believe Vonleh will b better. I think Vonleh will easily average 10rebs/game eventually & his ceiling would b 11rebs/game.

So w/ all ^ being said, obviously this coming season, Meyers will currently put up far superior actual #'s v. Vonleh but eventually... if we still have both these guys, our team will b lookin' nice @ these positions!:headbang:
 
LaMonster All-Star said:
U & I r not too far off on what u r saying here. I think Meyers ceiling is 18 & 10 (I'd b VERY surprised if he averages this many boards; reality will b more like 16pts/game w/ 8 rebs/game; which is very good & I'd b happy w/ this:smile: When he starts playing/starting entire games & when he's actually on ppl's radar/scouting reports + fatigue, the #'s change) max; I'd b over the moon if he gets here:smiley-fingersx: Vonleh has higher scoring ability/instincts in the post (this includes getting to the line) & of course can also stretch the floor (I think over both of their careers Meyers will shoot the 3 better bc he's already proven that he can knock that down quite well) well. Vonleh's ceiling is 20pts/game & I think he'll definitely get to averaging 18pts/game. He's a very good rebounder too; I like Meyers as a rebounder BUT I believe Vonleh will b better. I think Vonleh will easily average 10rebs/game eventually & his ceiling would b 11rebs/game.

So w/ all ^ being said, obviously this coming season, Meyers will currently put up far superior actual #'s v. Vonleh but eventually... if we still have both these guys, our team will b lookin' nice @ these positions!:headbang:
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I think Meyers is fully capable of getting 10+ boards. I think his drop off will be in scoring. He was very efficient because he was the 4th or 5th player on the floor other teams worried about. If he is getting 2nd or 3rd option attention, I believe it will be much harder for him to score, unless he develops a post game.
 
Reep said:
I think Meyers has a higher ceiling, but Vonleh is more likely to hit his ceiling than Meyers is.

Per 36min, Meyers hit 14pts and 15reb last year. Meyers ceiling seems to be a decent rim protector who could average 18-20 pts and 13 rebounds with somewhat of a Dirk game. But, I think it will be hard for him to hit that. I can see Vonleh averaging 15-20 pts and 11 reb and holding there pretty easily.
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I agree with what you said.

I think Meyers will be a 10/10 player until he starts developing a post game. That's not bad IMO. If he develops a post game, he could easily be a 20/10 player.

I think Vonleh has the ability to get to a 10/10 much easier, with the opportunity to be a 18/10 player much quicker. I think he has the ability to get those "GARBAGE BUCKETS" with hustle and knowing how to use his size.

Personally, I would love both players and pray that Leonard could somehow learn to post up and play help defense. A Leonard and Vonleh reach their potential front court would be impossible to stop 2-3 years from now.
 
magnifier661 said:
I think Meyers is fully capable of getting 10+ boards. I think his drop off will be in scoring. He was very efficient because he was the 4th or 5th player on the floor other teams worried about. If he is getting 2nd or 3rd option attention, I believe it will be much harder for him to score, unless he develops a post game.
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The upside is Meyers assists will probably go way up. He's one of the best passers on the team..rare for a big man. I think our passing game will be much improved over the last few seasons.
 
riverman said:
The upside is Meyers assists will probably go way up. He's one of the best passers on the team..rare for a big man. I think our passing game will be much improved over the last few seasons.
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Yup - he's a great passer. One of the things I most like about him is his ability to make the outlet pass. He hasn't done it much, because we've rarely ran as a team. But on a few occasions he's snared a rebound in traffic, immediately turned up-court and rifled off an accurate outlet pass. That's SO valuable. Terry had better make use of this.
 
riverman said:
The upside is Meyers assists will probably go way up. He's one of the best passers on the team..rare for a big man. I think our passing game will be much improved over the last few seasons.
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Yes sir! I think THIS season his assists will look something like 2.1/game (this is actually a big boost v. his last season .6/game @ 15.4min/game) & after this season they will go up!:smiley-yes:
 
riverman said:
The upside is Meyers assists will probably go way up. He's one of the best passers on the team..rare for a big man. I think our passing game will be much improved over the last few seasons.
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If I were king/coach, I would be tempted to put Meyers in the high post and run a lot through him. Set picks and roll for the dunk; high post passing to cutters Henderson and Aminu (and almost everyone else on the team); and hit the open jumper if they leave him. He isn't a great offensive rebounder (better on the defensive boards) so you don't lose much by keeping him in the high post.
 
Reep said:
If I were king/coach, I would be tempted to put Meyers in the high post and run a lot through him. Set picks and roll for the dunk; high post passing to cutters Henderson and Aminu (and almost everyone else on the team); and hit the open jumper if they leave him. He isn't a great offensive rebounder (better on the defensive boards) so you don't lose much by keeping him in the high post.
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I think we can do a LOT of high-low w/ ALL of our bigs; Meyers will probably b the 1 mostly to dump it down to the guy goin' to the hoop or for the 'oop!:mrt:
 
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