Noah Vonleh... and discuss

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He was 18 years old.

I'd like to see some updated numbers. The eye test, he looks taller than 6'8" -- at the combine he was 6'8" w/o shoes.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We all saw how much that affected CJ and he was a four year college pick. Vonleh was a fucking teenager. So much worse.


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Exactly. And they say big men take longer, too. Kinda feel like we have a reverse-JO on our hands.
 
It's so much worse for them. They don't have a sheed or a Brian grant or a sabonis. They gave up on him after one year. This is really just another Strickland for sheed and we are on the winning side again.


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Tunchi said:
I'm getting my hopes up guys.. Really good what we seeing so far. It's just beyond me why Charlotte would give up on him so quick
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In terms of build Vonleh was considered the biggest winner at the combine last year.

At 21, Karl Malone came into the NBA at the same size: 6'9" 250 lbs.

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1992 Olympics:

Malone: 6'8" w/o shoes | 6'9.25" w/shoes | 7'2" wingspan | 250 lbs.

As Vonleh matures I think his ceiling is 270 lbs.
 
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Vonleh said he's spent the summer working on his game and adding muscle to his frame as he prepares for the physical toll of a full NBA season. He said he's been lifting weights and focusing on his upper body while taking creatine to add mass.

"I finished off the season at 240 (pounds); right now I'm at 255, almost 260, but I might try to slim down a little bit more," he said. "I like being quick on my feet."

"I'm going to be going against a lot of grown men – guys stronger than me – so I got to be ready for it."
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...l?hootPostID=64a5e8f7da5a4e68fc7f78966529bd21
 
honestly, that was the first ive seen of him.

initial impressions are he likes taking it to the hoop, has a bit of size, moves well etc - looking forward to see how he develops
 
He went into Indiana as a SF/PF.

He blew up physically and they played him at PF/C.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here are his highlights for those that didn't get to see him today.

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Daaaamn.. Go to the 15 sec mark.. A dude his size is pulling euro moves with ease like that?

Ok ok ok what's the catch here guys? Why the hell would we be gifted with this player?
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
He went into Indiana as a SF/PF.

He blew up physically and they played him at PF/C.
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Watch him for five minutes and his potential is impossible to miss. He has an enormous 7-4 wingspan and massive 11.75-inch hands. Along with his physical gifts, he possesses a smooth shooting stroke and the ball handling skills honed from years of playing point guard as a high school and AAU star.
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Weird
 
Tunchi said:
Daaaamn.. Go to the 15 sec mark.. A dude his size is pulling euro moves with ease like that?

Ok ok ok what's the catch here guys? Why the hell would we be gifted with this player?
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Spreadsheets
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'm not saying a guy isn't going to bulk up as he goes from 19 to about 25; that's completely normal. It's the "added 20 lbs. since April" stuff that gets a giggle out of me. A) because I hear it all the time and B) it's not humanly possible unless you are augmented chemically.

EDIT: Adding 20 lbs. of fat would be possible however.
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Erroneous. In 13 weeks of boot camp I went from 105 to 135.

But yeah, if Barrett was saying it, I'm with you.
 
Can this guy shoot from mid range? Haven't really seen it from him.
 
He wants to attack the rim and not settle for jump shots like LMA finally regressed to. In a few years he will be a beast.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Erroneous. In 13 weeks of boot camp I went from 105 to 135.

But yeah, if Barrett was saying it, I'm with you.
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It's physically impossible to put on 20 pounds of pure muscle in a few months. Most professional body builders have trouble putting on more than 8 pounds of muscle in a year.

I don't doubt that Vonleh put on 20 pounds, but most of it is probably fat, and that's why he knows he has to slim down a bit before the start of the season.
 
What the hell did I gain? My quads got huge (from all the hiking with a 50# pack, I assume), I went from a 34 to a 39 chest, and I would submit that all ancillary not-usually-measured parts got significantly bigger. For other measurables, I went from doing 6 pullups, 60 situps and a 20min 3-mile to 17 pullups, 120 situps and an 18-min 3 mile in those same 3 months. And I promise the drill instructors did not let me use chemical "help".

"Most professional bodybuilders", I would submit, are a) not 17-19 years old, b) not still growing, c) not in a basic training environment and d) are at a higher weight floor. But what do I know? Except that it IS physically possible to put on 30 pounds of "not fat" in 13 weeks. And I'd submit that Vonleh is probably closer to where I was in boot camp (skinny, athletic kid who hasn't filled out yet) than to a professional bodybuilder.
 
You're right, a skinny unathletic kid who has just started training is going to be putting on more in the early stages as his body fills out.

That's NOT Vonleh, who has probably spent a good amount of his life training.

Anyways, if you really think it's possible to put on 20 pounds of pure muscle in a few months, I suggest you go do some research on it. You're entitled to believe what you want, but I'm telling you it's not physically possible.
 
Fine. What did I gain? I've been told I'm a 500-pound brain, but Marine boot camp didn't add to that.

I had spent most of my post-puberty life training as well. Not "lifting", but training (I was a pretty good lightweight wrestler).
 
A good amount of muscle, a good amount of fat. You were probably already really skinny, and at a very low body fat percentage, any sort weight or definition would have been immediately noticeable. You probably never trained in your life prior to that, and like I said the gains in the beginning are always going to be more.

By the way, the amount of pull ups you could do before or afterwards isn't really directly correlated with the amount of muscle you have. It also has a lot to due with muscle memory. There are people that weigh less than me that can probably clear more than I could, for one reason or another.

Anyways, any amount of information I give you won't be more than you can get from a simple google search. If you're really that curious about it there's tons of resources on training out there.

Muscle building is a slow and methodical process, and for someone like Vonleh who already had an athletic body coming into the league, believing he could gain 20 pounds of pure muscle in a few months is laughable.
 
I"ve been telling you guys, that Vonleh could potentially be a SF, he's a ball handler and a fluid athlete. Take a look at this vid, he's a a natural ball handler and shooter. Not saying he has the skills of a PG, but he could get some time in and 3 or 4.
 
He seems to be a better shooter than Aminu or Harkless. I think we really need to give this kid regular minutes in the rotation, at least let him compete against the other team's backup.

Lillard/Sergio
Henderson/CJ
Aminu/Vonleh/Harkless
Leonard/Davis
Plumlee/Kaman
 
Nikolokolus said:
Oh shit. Not the ubiquitous "added 10-20 lbs. of pure muscle in a couple of months" bollocks.

Anyway, I like him and think that with a couple of more seasons he might be a really nice player.
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Don't we all wish we could've said this about Batum?
 
Id caution people that it's still summer league. But its always better to shine in summer league than struggle.
 
B-Roy said:
It's physically impossible to put on 20 pounds of pure muscle in a few months. Most professional body builders have trouble putting on more than 8 pounds of muscle in a year.

I don't doubt that Vonleh put on 20 pounds, but most of it is probably fat, and that's why he knows he has to slim down a bit before the start of the season.
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My cousin is a former Mr. Oregon. Andre "bam bam" Scott. What you say is true. For body builders. Not for regular folk.
 
Sinobas said:
I"ve been telling you guys, that Vonleh could potentially be a SF, he's a ball handler and a fluid athlete. Take a look at this vid, he's a a natural ball handler and shooter. Not saying he has the skills of a PG, but he could get some time in and 3 or 4.
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Lol! Why the hell do people want to do this? Have you seen Kevin Durant and LeBron James handles? They had those handles coming into the league. Vonleh is right where he's supposed to be. In the PF spot.
 
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