Noah Vonleh... and discuss

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I've only watched the SL highlights, but what I've noticed so far is that:

-He likes taking the ball to the basket! And in all sorts of situations.

-He gets down in the paint, moves around according to what's going on with the ball, and gets in position for a pass - when he gets the ball he goes up to dunk. This is great, but also needs a bit of work as sometimes he's blind to the defense that's coming to block his shot. With a little more awareness he'll be able to get cleaner shots off around the rim.

-He also will put the ball on the floor and attack the hoop! OMG, this is AWESOME. And it's why he compares more to Bosh than LMA. He'll turn it over a lot when doing this in the NBA, but over time he'll learn how to do it better so he doesn't get stripped. The fact that he's physically able to dribble the ball has me very excited.

-He can shoot! A lot of the time big-handed players have a hard time shooting the ball. Not the case here.

-He can pass! Saw a couple nice interior passes from him. Again - more Bosh than LMA. Also saw a nice pass-fake that he turned into an open 3-pointer. It appears he understands basic ball movement concepts. That's fucking great!

-He can move. I saw a little Euro-step from him! But even though he can move, he's still a little uncoordinated. When he gains fluidity in his movements his game will explode.

-He's not afraid of physical contact! He doesn't fold like a piece of paper when nudged by a PG!

I thought he was going to be 1-2 years out from getting playing time, but based off what little I've seen I can see him being part of the rotation this season. He has skills and he'll need court time in order to develop them. He really reminds me a lot of Bosh, but much larger and stronger. Ain't nobody gonna miss LMA when this kid develops! And yes, that's a WHEN he develops, not IF he develops.
 
Sinobas said:
I"ve been telling you guys, that Vonleh could potentially be a SF, he's a ball handler and a fluid athlete. Take a look at this vid, he's a a natural ball handler and shooter. Not saying he has the skills of a PG, but he could get some time in and 3 or 4.
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No way. He's not a small forward. He's quick for a power forward, but not nearly quick enough to be a small forward. He's perfect for a four though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No way. He's not a small forward. He's quick for a power forward, but not nearly quick enough to be a small forward. He's perfect for a four though.
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You don't think he's as quick is Batum or Durant?
 
Sinobas said:
You don't think he's as quick is Batum or Durant?
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It's hard to extrapolate the level of competition and athletes you see in Summer League to guys like Durant (and I freely admit, I didn't watch Vonleh play at all last year so I can't say what he looked like in the real league in the few times he was on the court).
 
Noah's agility time was identical Luel Deng's and Kawhi Leonards, and better than many players who have played SF, Butler, Green, Durant. His sprint time was better than Aminu, Ariza, Webster, Danny Green, Jimmy Butler....
 
It really doesn't matter what you call him, I just think we could play him at forward along side a strict PF like Ed Davis.
 
Well I guess I will stick with my theme in that this is the year to try him at the 3 once or twice if its at all possibility. Everything seem to point PF but why not give it a shot in spot minutes. Nothing to lose this year and everything to gain.

I also feel like with the versatility and competition for starting spots we should give everything a shot
 
In fact, Noah's lane and sprint numbers were almost exactly what the "average" is for a SF, according to combine numbers. Much closer to SF than PF. His max vertical is also higher than average for any position.
 
A Vonleh/Plumlee/Leonard/Davis rotation should be pretty good in the next couple of years.

Looking forward to it.

:cheers:
 
blue9 said:
I've only watched the SL highlights, but what I've noticed so far is that:

-He likes taking the ball to the basket! And in all sorts of situations.

-He gets down in the paint, moves around according to what's going on with the ball, and gets in position for a pass - when he gets the ball he goes up to dunk. This is great, but also needs a bit of work as sometimes he's blind to the defense that's coming to block his shot. With a little more awareness he'll be able to get cleaner shots off around the rim.

-He also will put the ball on the floor and attack the hoop! OMG, this is AWESOME. And it's why he compares more to Bosh than LMA. He'll turn it over a lot when doing this in the NBA, but over time he'll learn how to do it better so he doesn't get stripped. The fact that he's physically able to dribble the ball has me very excited.

-He can shoot! A lot of the time big-handed players have a hard time shooting the ball. Not the case here.

-He can pass! Saw a couple nice interior passes from him. Again - more Bosh than LMA. Also saw a nice pass-fake that he turned into an open 3-pointer. It appears he understands basic ball movement concepts. That's fucking great!

-He can move. I saw a little Euro-step from him! But even though he can move, he's still a little uncoordinated. When he gains fluidity in his movements his game will explode.

-He's not afraid of physical contact! He doesn't fold like a piece of paper when nudged by a PG!

I thought he was going to be 1-2 years out from getting playing time, but based off what little I've seen I can see him being part of the rotation this season. He has skills and he'll need court time in order to develop them. He really reminds me a lot of Bosh, but much larger and stronger. Ain't nobody gonna miss LMA when this kid develops! And yes, that's a WHEN he develops, not IF he develops.
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You had me at hello!
 
Nikolokolus said:
It's hard to extrapolate the level of competition and athletes you see in Summer League to guys like Durant (and I freely admit, I didn't watch Vonleh play at all last year so I can't say what he looked like in the real league in the few times he was on the court).
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I was leaning on this as well. I definitely think he is capable "physically" to be as quick or as strong, but until I see him doing this against top tier players "All NBA players", then I'm in a wait and see approach. I am very hopeful though.
 
BBert said:
A Vonleh/Plumlee/Leonard/Davis rotation should be pretty good in the next couple of years.

Looking forward to it.

:cheers:
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It appears that they all compliment themselves very nicely (apart from davis/plums, there's some redundancies there).

Excited to see them go at it!
 
Vonleh vs Bosh and Aldridge

Based on combine measurements, both are a good 2 inches taller than Vonleh w/o shoes. Makes sense because Vonleh almost does seem a little short out there.
 
Sinobas said:
You don't think he's as quick is Batum or Durant?
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I don't think he is as quick or agile as Batum or Durant (Before the injury) I would not want to see him chasing Durant around the perimeter. Aminu and Harkless can have that unenviable task.

His bigger body will come in handy against LBJ when we face them in the finals though :cool2:
 
RoyToy said:
Vonleh vs Bosh and Aldridge

Based on combine measurements, both are a good 2 inches taller than Vonleh w/o shoes. Makes sense because Vonleh almost does seem a little short out there.
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He does, but his arms are comical. They almost reach his knees.
 
RoyToy said:
Vonleh vs Bosh and Aldridge

Based on combine measurements, both are a good 2 inches taller than Vonleh w/o shoes. Makes sense because Vonleh almost does seem a little short out there.
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He's so young though, he could easily grow another inch or two. Guys like Garnett kept growing after being drafted.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
He does, but his arms are comical. They almost reach his knees.
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You think that's comical. Aldridge's wingspan is a half inch longer.

Vonleh's height is a little issue for me. People point to standing reach and wingspan to say it isn't a big deal. When the player guarding you is looking down on you, you're at a disadvantage.

The NBA is plenty full of athletic/genetic freaks at PF
 
RoyToy said:
Vonleh's height is a little issue for me. People point to standing reach and wingspan to say it isn't a big deal. When the player guarding you is looking down on you, you're at a disadvantage.
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Only issue I've noticed so far as well. He likes to take it inside, but seems like he can get stuffed at the rim easily.
 
HailBlazers said:
Damn son.

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THAT'S MY CUDDY!!!
 
HailBlazers said:
Only issue I've noticed so far as well. He likes to take it inside, but seems like he can get stuffed at the rim easily.
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He needs to keep working on his free throws because he is drawing a lot of fouls too.

He also needs to watch a lot of Z-Bo film. No one gets his shot blocked more than Zach, but he is relentless and crafty around the hoop. Randolph would be a good goal for Vonleh to try to reach. (on the court)
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
He needs to keep working on his free throws because he is drawing a lot of fouls too.

He also needs to watch a lot of Zebo film. No one gets his shot blocked more than Zach, but he is relentless and crafty around the hoop. Randolf would be a good goal for Vonleh to try to reach. (on the court)
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Z-Bo can't jump.

Vonleh can

Vonleh also has a monstrous wingspan.

And is probably still growing.

He needs to watch Blake Griffin IMO, Blake Griffin is a 1/2 inch taller but has a 5 inch shorter wingspan.. and a smaller vertical.
 
HailBlazers said:
Only issue I've noticed so far as well. He likes to take it inside, but seems like he can get stuffed at the rim easily.
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I don't think he's really getting stuffed at the rim. He has an issue with getting blocked as he's bringing the ball up. It's not really stripping, but he seems to keep the ball too low, which gives the defender time to block him.
 
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