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Netted do you think this trade will make the Nets a sure playoff team that will go deep into the playoffs? If not why do the trade? Don't you realize they just traded Jefferson. The Nets have used the R word. They are rebuilding. I edited my other post, idk if you saw it but you can't have it both ways to rebuild and compete. Hughes and Nocioni are just added contracts that are overpaid and really average basketball players. I don't see what you see if Hughes. SO what he gets steals, hes a guy that no one would want after 5 games. Don't you see hes declining. Nocioni declined last year also and his upside is very limited at this point. At this point if I'm Thorn if I"m going to make a trade its going to be for a player that you know will lead you to the playoffs such as an Artest, Josh Smith. Either that or I'll just keep the team the way it is. It's called rebuilding
 
does anyone else see it my way? It seems like everybody is for this trade, I'm just telling you aging declining players is more like the Sacramento Kings than the NJ Nets

BTW just went over the 100th post mark.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted do you think this trade will make the Nets a sure playoff team that will go deep into the playoffs? If not why do the trade? Don't you realize they just traded Jefferson. The Nets have used the R word. They are rebuilding. I edited my other post, idk if you saw it but you can't have it both ways to rebuild and compete. Hughes and Nocioni are just added contracts that are overpaid and really average basketball players. I don't see what you see if Hughes. SO what he gets steals, hes a guy that no one would want after 5 games. Don't you see hes declining. Nocioni declined last year also and his upside is very limited at this point. At this point if I'm Thorn if I"m going to make a trade its going to be for a player that you know will lead you to the playoffs such as an Artest, Josh Smith. Either that or I'll just keep the team the way it is. It's called rebuilding</div>
You can have both. We have solid youth. If in 2 years time you have young players like Yi, Lopez, Anderson, and CDR and you are winning then you are an attractive destination for a big time player. That's what Philly just did. Don't you think a team that was a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs is more attractive to a big free agent than a team like Memphis or Minnesota?

This move still protects the teams flexibility. I don't get what you want to do. If you want to lose games so you can get a high draft pick then just say that. Otherwise, why would you not want to win as much as possible.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted do you think this trade will make the Nets a sure playoff team that will go deep into the playoffs? If not why do the trade? Don't you realize they just traded Jefferson. The Nets have used the R word. They are rebuilding. I edited my other post, idk if you saw it but you can't have it both ways to rebuild and compete. Hughes and Nocioni are just added contracts that are overpaid and really average basketball players. I don't see what you see if Hughes. SO what he gets steals, hes a guy that no one would want after 5 games. Don't you see hes declining. Nocioni declined last year also and his upside is very limited at this point. At this point if I'm Thorn if I"m going to make a trade its going to be for a player that you know will lead you to the playoffs such as an Artest, Josh Smith. Either that or I'll just keep the team the way it is. It's called rebuilding</div>
You can have both. We have solid youth. If in 2 years time you have young players like Yi, Lopez, Anderson, and CDR and you are winning then you are an attractive destination for a big time player. That's what Philly just did. Don't you think a team that was a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs is more attractive to a big free agent than a team like Memphis or Minnesota?

This move still protects the teams flexibility. I don't get what you want to do. If you want to lose games so you can get a high draft pick then just say that. Otherwise, why would you not want to win as much as possible.
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because getting the eighth seed hurts in the long run with the draft. I personally say lose and rebuild unless they are serious about a championship or a deep run in the playoffs. I would like if the Nets were like Philly. Go through a year of rebuilding (as Philly did) and than make a run at the playoffs the next year and the third year sign a big name free agent to make the commitment about being a serious championship contender. Hughes and Nocioni are not the answers to even making the playoffs. The Nets will still have a hard time. look the East is so much improved this year with Toronto get Jermaine and Philly getting Brand. Hughes and Nocioni wouldn't even get them to the playoffs. So I say if you want to make the playoffs this year go and get Josh Smith or Ron Artest. If you don't do that than just rebuild this year, get a high draft pick and win in 2009.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>does anyone else see it my way? It seems like everybody is for this trade, I'm just telling you aging declining players is more like the Sacramento Kings than the NJ Nets

BTW just went over the 100th post mark.</div>

Nice! You are getting sucked in!

What you are saying has a lot of merit. Developing the young players, keeping maximum cap flexibility and collecting high draft picks are all good things and this trade affects all of them negatively.

I would be cautiously excited if this trade happened because I think the positives outweigh the negatives, but it's definitely not a clear-cut thing.
 
FWIW, Nocioni's contract gets cheaper every year it progresses. Regressive salary.

Heh.
 
I can't remember the last time where I saw a trade proposal that made sense for both sides. I tip my hat to you, Netted.
 
I... like it.

Why can Simmons be traded, is it because it's a straight up swap?
 
I don't like it. Hughes is terrible, and I don't think Noc is more than Najera+a jumper, which IMO isn't worth the extra cash left on his deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>because getting the eighth seed hurts in the long run with the draft. I personally say lose and rebuild unless they are serious about a championship or a deep run in the playoffs. I would like if the Nets were like Philly. Go through a year of rebuilding (as Philly did) and than make a run at the playoffs the next year and the third year sign a big name free agent to make the commitment about being a serious championship contender. Hughes and Nocioni are not the answers to even making the playoffs. The Nets will still have a hard time. look the East is so much improved this year with Toronto get Jermaine and Philly getting Brand. Hughes and Nocioni wouldn't even get them to the playoffs. So I say if you want to make the playoffs this year go and get Josh Smith or Ron Artest. If you don't do that than just rebuild this year, get a high draft pick and win in 2009.</div>
Well, I understand the lose so you can get a high draft pick philosphy... just say that next time.

Personally I can't see rooting a team to lose, but it's definitely another approach.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ Jul 24 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I... like it.

Why can Simmons be traded, is it because it's a straight up swap?</div>
Yup. Simmons for Noc and the rest for Hughes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>because getting the eighth seed hurts in the long run with the draft. I personally say lose and rebuild unless they are serious about a championship or a deep run in the playoffs. I would like if the Nets were like Philly. Go through a year of rebuilding (as Philly did) and than make a run at the playoffs the next year and the third year sign a big name free agent to make the commitment about being a serious championship contender. Hughes and Nocioni are not the answers to even making the playoffs. The Nets will still have a hard time. look the East is so much improved this year with Toronto get Jermaine and Philly getting Brand. Hughes and Nocioni wouldn't even get them to the playoffs. So I say if you want to make the playoffs this year go and get Josh Smith or Ron Artest. If you don't do that than just rebuild this year, get a high draft pick and win in 2009.</div>
Well, I understand the lose so you can get a high draft pick philosphy... just say that next time.

Personally I can't see rooting a team to lose, but it's definitely another approach.
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Because you have to learn that its not really rooting for a team to lose its rather watching them develop and giving young guys expierence. You can't just keep trading and i signing old veterans and hope they will make you win. Just look at the Knicks, I know this is different because its shorter contracts but rebuilding is part of the game. I know many fans don't like it but every team has to go through it once their franchise player leaves. For the Knicks once Houston got injured they should of started to rebuild, for the Phillies- rebuilded after A.I left, for the Timberwolves- rebuilding after KG, Jazz rebuilding for a year after Malone left. the Nets are now rebuilding after they lost Kidd. Trust me its best for the franchise. If you delay it, it can put your Franchise in a hole.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>because getting the eighth seed hurts in the long run with the draft. I personally say lose and rebuild unless they are serious about a championship or a deep run in the playoffs. I would like if the Nets were like Philly. Go through a year of rebuilding (as Philly did) and than make a run at the playoffs the next year and the third year sign a big name free agent to make the commitment about being a serious championship contender. Hughes and Nocioni are not the answers to even making the playoffs. The Nets will still have a hard time. look the East is so much improved this year with Toronto get Jermaine and Philly getting Brand. Hughes and Nocioni wouldn't even get them to the playoffs. So I say if you want to make the playoffs this year go and get Josh Smith or Ron Artest. If you don't do that than just rebuild this year, get a high draft pick and win in 2009.</div>
Well, I understand the lose so you can get a high draft pick philosphy... just say that next time.

Personally I can't see rooting a team to lose, but it's definitely another approach.
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Because you have to learn that its not really rooting for a team to lose its rather watching them develop and giving young guys expierence. You can't just keep trading and i signing old veterans and hope they will make you win. Just look at the Knicks, I know this is different because its shorter contracts but rebuilding is part of the game. I know many fans don't like it but every team has to go through it once their franchise player leaves. For the Knicks once Houston got injured they should of started to rebuild, for the Phillies- rebuilded after A.I left, for the Timberwolves- rebuilding after KG, Jazz rebuilding for a year after Malone left. the Nets are now rebuilding after they lost Kidd. Trust me its best for the franchise. If you delay it, it can put your Franchise in a hole.
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I'm on your side. The Nets have all of these young guys and I'd like to see them play a lot of minutes.

Just like Krstic's rookie season, I want to see Williams and Lopez play enough minutes every game to foul out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
Well, I understand the lose so you can get a high draft pick philosphy... just say that next time.

Personally I can't see rooting a team to lose, but it's definitely another approach.</div>
Because you have to learn that its not really rooting for a team to lose its rather watching them develop and giving young guys expierence. You can't just keep trading and i signing old veterans and hope they will make you win. Just look at the Knicks, I know this is different because its shorter contracts but rebuilding is part of the game. I know many fans don't like it but every team has to go through it once their franchise player leaves. For the Knicks once Houston got injured they should of started to rebuild, for the Phillies- rebuilded after A.I left, for the Timberwolves- rebuilding after KG, Jazz rebuilding for a year after Malone left. the Nets are now rebuilding after they lost Kidd. Trust me its best for the franchise. If you delay it, it can put your Franchise in a hole.
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I have to learn? You have your views on how to develop players and I have mine. Let's leave it at that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 24 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm on your side. The Nets have all of these young guys and I'd like to see them play a lot of minutes.

Just like Krstic's rookie season, I want to see Williams and Lopez play enough minutes every game to foul out.</div>
Well you better hope they trade Boone and Najera because between those 2 and Yi I don't see Williams getting a lot of minutes. Lopez will. I think he'll back up Boone and replace him at center before the season ends.

What I'm suggesting really has no impact on the power rotation. It's just to strengthen the 2 and 3 spots without hurting the teams flexibility in 2010.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 24 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>because getting the eighth seed hurts in the long run with the draft. I personally say lose and rebuild unless they are serious about a championship or a deep run in the playoffs. I would like if the Nets were like Philly. Go through a year of rebuilding (as Philly did) and than make a run at the playoffs the next year and the third year sign a big name free agent to make the commitment about being a serious championship contender. Hughes and Nocioni are not the answers to even making the playoffs. The Nets will still have a hard time. look the East is so much improved this year with Toronto get Jermaine and Philly getting Brand. Hughes and Nocioni wouldn't even get them to the playoffs. So I say if you want to make the playoffs this year go and get Josh Smith or Ron Artest. If you don't do that than just rebuild this year, get a high draft pick and win in 2009.</div>
Well, I understand the lose so you can get a high draft pick philosphy... just say that next time.

Personally I can't see rooting a team to lose, but it's definitely another approach.
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Because you have to learn that its not really rooting for a team to lose its rather watching them develop and giving young guys expierence. You can't just keep trading and i signing old veterans and hope they will make you win. Just look at the Knicks, I know this is different because its shorter contracts but rebuilding is part of the game. I know many fans don't like it but every team has to go through it once their franchise player leaves. For the Knicks once Houston got injured they should of started to rebuild, for the Phillies- rebuilded after A.I left, for the Timberwolves- rebuilding after KG, Jazz rebuilding for a year after Malone left. the Nets are now rebuilding after they lost Kidd. Trust me its best for the franchise. If you delay it, it can put your Franchise in a hole.
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I'm on your side. The Nets have all of these young guys and I'd like to see them play a lot of minutes.

Just like Krstic's rookie season, I want to see Williams and Lopez play enough minutes every game to foul out.
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What are you going to do for the rest of Q1, and then Q2+Q3+Q4?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 24 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm on your side. The Nets have all of these young guys and I'd like to see them play a lot of minutes.

Just like Krstic's rookie season, I want to see Williams and Lopez play enough minutes every game to foul out.</div>
Well you better hope they trade Boone and Najera because between those 2 and Yi I don't see Williams getting a lot of minutes. Lopez will. I think he'll back up Boone and replace him at center before the season ends.
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You are overestimating how long it would take for them to foul out.

Besides, I've already stated my opinion on trading Boone link
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jul 24 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What are you going to do for the rest of Q1, and then Q2+Q3+Q4?</div>

Play the other guys on the roster
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>
Well, I understand the lose so you can get a high draft pick philosphy... just say that next time.

Personally I can't see rooting a team to lose, but it's definitely another approach.</div>
Because you have to learn that its not really rooting for a team to lose its rather watching them develop and giving young guys expierence. You can't just keep trading and i signing old veterans and hope they will make you win. Just look at the Knicks, I know this is different because its shorter contracts but rebuilding is part of the game. I know many fans don't like it but every team has to go through it once their franchise player leaves. For the Knicks once Houston got injured they should of started to rebuild, for the Phillies- rebuilded after A.I left, for the Timberwolves- rebuilding after KG, Jazz rebuilding for a year after Malone left. the Nets are now rebuilding after they lost Kidd. Trust me its best for the franchise. If you delay it, it can put your Franchise in a hole.
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I have to learn? You have your views on how to develop players and I have mine. Let's leave it at that.
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So your saying your view on developing players is keeping them on the bench while trading for washed up veterans and giving them 20-30 mins on a below average team? The Nets have a lot of young guys and its going to be hard to develop them if they gain no expierence. That's a fact not a view. You can't have it both ways. Either be like Boston and go out and trade your young guys for superstars or be like Philedellphia or Toronto who took time to develop their young players.

Hey Listen the Nets already said their rebuilding. They all said it Ratner, Thorn and Frank. It's a process, one year of rebuilding thats it. We all seen the Nets lose, one more year I'm sure we can all take it and bro we'll allowed to have diferent views if you don't want to talk about it its all good but thats what forums are for
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 24 2008, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 24 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm on your side. The Nets have all of these young guys and I'd like to see them play a lot of minutes.

Just like Krstic's rookie season, I want to see Williams and Lopez play enough minutes every game to foul out.</div>
Well you better hope they trade Boone and Najera because between those 2 and Yi I don't see Williams getting a lot of minutes. Lopez will. I think he'll back up Boone and replace him at center before the season ends.
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You are overestimating how long it would take for them to foul out.

Besides, I've already stated my opinion on trading Boone link
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I'm not against trading Boone, but does that mean you start Lopez at center with Williams backing him up?

The other option is to just send Williams to the D-League. Have him start down there for a couple months. Guy needs to play, but he's a liability out there now. He's a fouling machine that is always out of position and doesn't grab a lot of boards.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So your saying your view on developing players is keeping them on the bench while trading for washed up veterans and giving them 20-30 mins on a below average team? The Nets have a lot of young guys and its going to be hard to develop them if they gain no expierence. That's a fact not a view. You can't have it both ways. Either be like Boston and go out and trade your young guys for superstars or be like Philedellphia or Toronto who took time to develop their young players.

Hey Listen the Nets already said their rebuilding. They all said it Ratner, Thorn and Frank. It's a process, one year of rebuilding thats it. We all seen the Nets lose, one more year I'm sure we can all take it and bro we'll allowed to have diferent views if you don't want to talk about it its all good but thats what forums are for</div>
Go look at my depth chart again. I have Yi starting, Lopez at back-up center and CDR backing up Nocioni. That's not buried on the bench. This trade has little effect on the young guys. It's replacing Simmons with Nocioni and getting a veteran SG to back-up Carter, which is what Thorn and Kiki are looking to do anyway.

The log jam is in the power rotation. This trade has no impact there.

Me and a lot of other people don't think these 2 are washed up veterans. Especially Nocioni. My view on developing players is to have them learn the right way from quality veterans rather than to throw them out there like a bunch of puppies and hope they figure out how to sit and heal on their own.

And BTW, Hughes is 29 and Nocioni 28. They are not old veterans. Darrell Armstrong and Kurt Thomas are old vets. And also, people have a distorted view of Philly's rebuild. Their worst season was 2006-07 and they were 35-47. One win better than the Nets last season. And their highest draft pick in the past 3 years was Thadeus Young last summer at #12. They didn't completely tear it down.
 
i kno that nocioni is not washed up... he had an injury a couple years ago... but he has still been very productive... and hes a fighter... he does the dirty work for the team... willin to dive on the floor, willin to commit the hard foul... we dont have a player like that...

hughes would be a great addition to us... in cleveland he just didnt fit... guess something wasnt rite... but hughes was always a talent...

so id love for this trade to happen...

side note... JOSH SMITH still my #1 choice
just FYI netted
 
It was reported Monday that Deng gave the Bulls 2 weeks to figure things out. Probably until next Friday. Next week will be interesting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>LAS VEGAS (TICKER) —Luol Deng and the Chicago Bulls are on course for divorce, according to a report from Yahoo! Sports.

The restricted free agent forward has given the Bulls two weeks to come to a contract agreement or else he will leave the team as a free agent after the upcoming season, the report said.

The 6-9 Deng is scheduled to join the Great Britain national team, hence the deadline. If the Bulls fail to sign Deng, 23, to a long-term deal he will take a one-year qualifying offer for $4.5 million and test free agency after the season, according to Yahoo!

In 63 games last season, Deng averaged 17 points and 6.3 rebounds.</div>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 24 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i kno that nocioni is not washed up... he had an injury a couple years ago... but he has still been very productive... and hes a fighter... he does the dirty work for the team... willin to dive on the floor, willin to commit the hard foul... we dont have a player like that...

hughes would be a great addition to us... in cleveland he just didnt fit... guess something wasnt rite... but hughes was always a talent...

so id love for this trade to happen...

side note... JOSH SMITH still my #1 choice
just FYI netted
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Nocioni is not washed up, I was directing my attacks more at Hughes, but still how much more production will Nocioni give us than Simmons? You guys are giving up on Simmons already even though hes never even played a single game with the Nets. Hes just like Nareja in terms of dirty work so we do have a player like that. Simmons is a good solid player and I believe in him thats why I don't see why we need Nocioni especially after we acquired Nareja and Hayes. In terms of production Nocioni has never really jumped out at me. I know he does a lot of things that don't show up in the box score but he has a long contract and to be that committed to a player of his caliber is really not worth IMO. just my opion guys
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was reported Monday that Deng gave the Bulls 2 weeks to figure things out. Probably until next Friday. Next week will be interesting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>LAS VEGAS (TICKER) ?€”Luol Deng and the Chicago Bulls are on course for divorce, according to a report from Yahoo! Sports.

The restricted free agent forward has given the Bulls two weeks to come to a contract agreement or else he will leave the team as a free agent after the upcoming season, the report said.

The 6-9 Deng is scheduled to join the Great Britain national team, hence the deadline. If the Bulls fail to sign Deng, 23, to a long-term deal he will take a one-year qualifying offer for $4.5 million and test free agency after the season, according to Yahoo!

In 63 games last season, Deng averaged 17 points and 6.3 rebounds.</div>
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Wow who would of thought Deng has some great britain in him
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nocioni is not washed up, I was directing my attacks more at Hughes, but still how much more production will Nocioni give us than Simmons? You guys are giving up on Simmons already even though hes never even played a single game with the Nets. Hes just like Nareja in terms of dirty work so we do have a player like that. Simmons is a good solid player and I believe in him thats why I don't see why we need Nocioni especially after we acquired Nareja and Hayes. In terms of production Nocioni has never really jumped out at me. I know he does a lot of things that don't show up in the box score but he has a long contract and to be that committed to a player of his caliber is really not worth IMO. just my opion guys</div>
There are questions surrounding Simmons return from the injuries. He maybe fine. I won't be upset if we keep him. I just see this as an upgrade that has little negative impact on the Nets long term plans.

I don't see Simmons, Hayes, or Hassell as a clear cut answer at starting SF. I think Nocioni is. I'd love Simmons as a back-up SF, but I rather see CDR get those minutes. Once Nocioni is the starter then it leaves Hayes and CDR to duke it out for the back-up spot and I think CDR wins that battle. Hughes is just back-up 2 guard, which he'll be better at then being the #2 guy in Cleveland. If Carter goes down we only have Dooling with enough mobility to defend 2 guards. I think Hughes is better than Kareem Rush, and I like Kareem. And don't forget Hughes had his best season under Eddie Jordan in Washington. Frank uses some of the same concepts in his offense.
 
Interesting read on Hughes. Was on ESPN just before the draft. Seems he's still struggling a bit with his brother's death.
Riding with ... Larry Hughes

He's a little pricey, but he comes off the books in 2010. In the end it's only a little more than Simmons would make.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 24 2008, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 24 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was reported Monday that Deng gave the Bulls 2 weeks to figure things out. Probably until next Friday. Next week will be interesting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>LAS VEGAS (TICKER) �?‚??€?Luol Deng and the Chicago Bulls are on course for divorce, according to a report from Yahoo! Sports.

The restricted free agent forward has given the Bulls two weeks to come to a contract agreement or else he will leave the team as a free agent after the upcoming season, the report said.

The 6-9 Deng is scheduled to join the Great Britain national team, hence the deadline. If the Bulls fail to sign Deng, 23, to a long-term deal he will take a one-year qualifying offer for $4.5 million and test free agency after the season, according to Yahoo!

In 63 games last season, Deng averaged 17 points and 6.3 rebounds.</div>
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Wow who would of thought Deng has some great britain in him
</div>A decent amount of people since he was a NJ HS phenom.. and he doesn't have Great Britain in him. He's Sudanese.
 
Netted, my fundamental disagreement with your plan is your contention that Noc can be a full time starter at SF. That makes the entire plan flawed to me.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 24 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Netted, my fundamental disagreement with your plan is your contention that Noc can be a full time starter at SF. That makes the entire plan flawed to me.</div>
You believe he can be counted on for at least 20 mpg. What's the difference if he starts?

I'd rather have Hughes mainly back-up VC and be a 6th man. However, there is flexibility with this group for different line-ups.
 
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