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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Jun 29 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm with NI on this, Lopez dropped for a reason.

I'm not rooting against him because I obviously want him to pan out but I'm getting ready for disappointment.</div>

i dont think he dropped so much as the right team wasnt there to draft him.

He was basically going to Memphis at 5 or slipping to us at 10. The top 3 in the draft were set. Rose/beasley/mayo were the guys there. At 4 the sonics wanted a gaurd. at 5 it was between brook and love. at 6 knicks didnt need a PF/C. at 7 the clips needed a guard, at 8 the bucks didnt need a bigman and loved alexander. at 9 charlotte was looking for a point gaurd.

So basically Love or Brook was going to slip from 5 to 10. there was basically 1 spot Brook could have been picked at before 10, and they preferred love. It isnt like 3 or 4 teams took another front court player in front of brook. the teams ahead of us just needed guards or were set at C.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Defender @ Jun 29 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm with NI on this, Lopez dropped for a reason.

I'm not rooting against him because I obviously want him to pan out but I'm getting ready for disappointment.</div>

i dont think he dropped so much as the right team wasnt there to draft him.

He was basically going to Memphis at 5 or slipping to us at 10. The top 3 in the draft were set. Rose/beasley/mayo were the guys there. At 4 the sonics wanted a gaurd. at 5 it was between brook and love. at 6 knicks didnt need a PF/C. at 7 the clips needed a guard, at 8 the bucks didnt need a bigman and loved alexander. at 9 charlotte was looking for a point gaurd.

So basically Love or Brook was going to slip from 5 to 10. there was basically 1 spot Brook could have been picked at before 10, and they preferred love. It isnt like 3 or 4 teams took another front court player in front of brook. the teams ahead of us just needed guards or were set at C.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. This was not another Marcus Williams situation. The teams ahead of the Nets picked based on need.
 
I like how 1 negative article makes people question a draft they were so excited about not 72 hours ago like it's some kind of reality check that dismisses all credibility the positive articles had. Stop basing your opinions of writers and do your homework and watch the games. Some guys will work, others won't. Everybody will be right to some degree.

Maybe Milwaukee will have a better team next season, they do have a lot of options offensively, but in the long run when they are jammed up with a bunch of bad contracts we will have had time to play our young kids and be in great shape financially so it's a completely subjective stance on who fleeced who. I prefer what we got out of this deal and I still find it hard to believe Rod even got this much in return and nobody's going to write something that will change my mind.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (turdymclovin @ Jun 29 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wasnt Monta Ellis taken at 40 as well? GM's are wrong all the time</div>
Thats because he tested as the worst athlete among all guards at the combine and the second worst athlete overall (right in front of Luke Schenscer). Apparently the night before he had one of his first experiences with alcohol and he was hung over for the combine, also didn't help his draft status that he was working out for teams in the lotto/mid-first.

As far as the Nets draft, it could turn out looking great or could turn out pretty badly. I personally did not like Brook Lopez much at all coming into the draft. I love Ryan Anderson as a Cal fan but I don't think hes a very good NBA prospect especially not a first round guy (hope he proves me wrong). CDR is a good value pick in round 2 though. I will say this though for all the things I don't like about Lopez the Nets have the right players to surround him with. They have some dirty work rebounding, defense specialist big men with great athleticism. They have a nice young PG and SG on the perimeter. He doesn't have to be forced to be "the man" from day one. Anderson has tons of skill but I dunno if he has the athleticism to make it as a PF (definitely not an SF).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like how 1 negative article makes people question a draft they were so excited about not 72 hours ago like it's some kind of reality check that dismisses all credibility the positive articles had. Stop basing your opinions of writers and do your homework and watch the games. Some guys will work, others won't. Everybody will be right to some degree.

Maybe Milwaukee will have a better team next season, they do have a lot of options offensively, but in the long run when they are jammed up with a bunch of bad contracts we will have had time to play our young kids and be in great shape financially so it's a completely subjective stance on who fleeced who. I prefer what we got out of this deal and I still find it hard to believe Rod even got this much in return and nobody's going to write something that will change my mind.</div>

i dont think anyone got fleeced. I spoke on how i loved the deal for us... but RJ is a good fit for them as well. They have good shooters with williams and redd, they needed a slasher. RJ fits that mold well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think anyone got fleeced. I spoke on how i loved the deal for us... but RJ is a good fit for them as well. They have good shooters with williams and redd, they needed a slasher. RJ fits that mold well.</div>

I agree, I think it was a very fair trade. I always assumed we would get diminished returns when dealing RJ but we got the two things we could hope for in young talent (a pretty popular one at that) and cap space for 2010. The fact that Rod got what he did surprised me but in reality i works out well for both teams at the time of the trade. Down the line we'll see who is the ultimately the 'winner' as with all trades.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think anyone got fleeced. I spoke on how i loved the deal for us... but RJ is a good fit for them as well. They have good shooters with williams and redd, they needed a slasher. RJ fits that mold well.</div>

I agree, I think it was a very fair trade. I always assumed we would get diminished returns when dealing RJ but we got the two things we could hope for in young talent (a pretty popular one at that) and cap space for 2010. The fact that Rod got what he did surprised me but in reality i works out well for both teams at the time of the trade. Down the line we'll see who is the ultimately the 'winner' as with all trades.
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I think the fact that we changed our team dynamic with that trade is also being overlooked. We will no longer have a SG, SF, and PF on the floor without any of them being able to shoot. The drive and dish, pick and pop, and rotation on double teams will now all be there. Yi can stroke it, Simmons has a good touch, and anderson seems to have range as well. Last year we were 5th worst in the NBA in FG% as a team. It was mainly due to a lack of perimeter shooting and RJ/VC forced to take bad shots. With our new balance, that wont be the case.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the fact that we changed our team dynamic with that trade is also being overlooked. We will no longer have a SG, SF, and PF on the floor without any of them being able to shoot. The drive and dish, pick and pop, and rotation on double teams will now all be there. Yi can stroke it, Simmons has a good touch, and anderson seems to have range as well. Last year we were 5th worst in the NBA in FG% as a team. It was mainly due to a lack of perimeter shooting and RJ/VC forced to take bad shots. With our new balance, that wont be the case.</div>

Balance is the key word. We may have lost one prolific scorer but we have added new dimensions we did not have last season and we're not finished yet. if these guys put forth a consistent effort on the defensive end, not even having to be great just a continuous effort, we'll be in excellent shape for next season and beyond.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think anyone got fleeced. I spoke on how i loved the deal for us... but RJ is a good fit for them as well. They have good shooters with williams and redd, they needed a slasher. RJ fits that mold well.</div>

I think you're forgetting that RJ has become more of a shooter than a slasher.

And that Williams and Redd have a tendency not to pass the ball.

And that the teams' defense is so bad, RJ is only going to make it worse.

Basically, unless RJ reverts to his old self, I doubt Milwaukee is going to get any better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 29 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 29 2008, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jun 29 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 29 2008, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think CDR dropped because what he is good at doesn't translate to the format of the workouts and his measurables were weak across the board. The guy is a great basketball player.

Lopez was taken because he fills a need for the Nets. I'm no fan of his, but they really need someone who can score down low and Lopez can do that on day one. Just that one skill will have a big effect on the team, and Frank knows how to use him to full advantage. The other parts of his game will take time to develop. He is physically ready for the NBA at 20, though, so it might not be that long until things come around.</div>

The issue with a lack of athleticism tends to come at the defensive end of the floor. Both these guys should be smart, efficient scorers, but both of them might not be quick enough to guard players on the other end.

We acquired four major prospects the other night: Yi, Lopez, Anderson and CDR. Are any of them going to be even average defenders on an NBA level?
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The lack of defense is an issue. Also, FYI, so is Yi's age. His passport says he is 20 but logic dictates he is more likely 23. Chinese have a verified history of faking kids ages so they can win international youth competitions. To accept that Yi is only 20 means you also have to accept that he was the Chinese Basketball Association ROY at age 15.
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His body looks 20.

The defense is an issue, but all four players have a chance to be decent to good defenders.

CDR was an above average defender in college. He has good height and he will fill out eventually. He's not a stopper, but I'm not too concerned with him because of his superior anticipation and work ethic. He won't let himself be a bad defender.

Anderson was a good defender in college. He seems like he would struggle in the pros because he isn't particularly quick or nimble. He will have to guard PF to start, which could be tough for him.

Yi just needs more upper body strength. He is very quick, coordinated and athletic and is a matchup nightmare. He's got the most potential on the defensive end.

Lopez is a bit of a stiff defensively, one more reason not to draft him. His twin is a good shot blocker, so maybe there's hope for him. He was taken to score inside and the Nets are crossing their fingers about the rest.


Remember one thing about CDR and Anderson, these guys are tough competitors and play hard all the time. They will learn how to be effective and overcome some of their physical limitations. Is Jason Collins physically equipped to be a good NBA defender? Competive players find a way to get stops. At the very least the team defense will improve simply because they will listen to the coach and communicate with each other.
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He blocked 12 shots in a game against UCLA in January of 07 so he can't be that bad defensively/as a shot blocker. An additional note, he got a triple double in that game. Lopez seems like a big man who can score very well in the post and from midrange. He won't be a terror on defense but he will be solid stopping his man and make it difficult to score in the paint.
 
Getting Yi was the right move, because it signaled the right direction for the Franchise, moving on.

Writers who are bashing this move and saying that we don't have a chance at LeBron in 2010 are kidding themselves. What are we supposed to ignore the fact that three of the top players in the NBA could be free agents in two years and not clear cap room? Give me a break, I can't count the number of times I read articles blasting the Nets for not breaking up the big three and rebuilding.

As for the rookies, I don't think anyone can predict how it will turn out. I just want them to get playing time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting Yi was the right move, because it signaled the right direction for the Franchise, moving on.

Writers who are bashing this move and saying that we don't have a chance at LeBron in 2010 are kidding themselves. What are we supposed to ignore the fact that three of the top players in the NBA could be free agents in two years and not clear cap room? Give me a break, I can't count the number of times I read articles blasting the Nets for not breaking up the big three and rebuilding.

As for the rookies, I don't think anyone can predict how it will turn out. I just want them to get playing time.</div>

Cap room or not.... i think people are dramatically overestimating the negative impact(Win/loss wise) that moving RJ will have on this team.

we won 34 games last year. I'd be very surprised if we weren't +/- 3 on that next year. and wouldn't be one bit surprised if we got to 40+
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting Yi was the right move, because it signaled the right direction for the Franchise, moving on.

Writers who are bashing this move and saying that we don't have a chance at LeBron in 2010 are kidding themselves. What are we supposed to ignore the fact that three of the top players in the NBA could be free agents in two years and not clear cap room? Give me a break, I can't count the number of times I read articles blasting the Nets for not breaking up the big three and rebuilding.

As for the rookies, I don't think anyone can predict how it will turn out. I just want them to get playing time.</div>

Cap room or not.... i think people are dramatically overestimating the negative impact(Win/loss wise) that moving RJ will have on this team.

we won 34 games last year. I'd be very surprised if we weren't +/- 3 on that next year. and wouldn't be one bit surprised if we got to 40+
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Yea well theres the other thing people aren't realizing. Everyone keeps acting like we were a playoff team last with RJ. WRONG, we won 34 games, wheres the positive? Oh well yea tech. we were a playoff team because in the east you can get in with winning under 40 games. I don't know about all of you guys but i dont even wanna be in the playoffs if we'r getting in with a 500 or less record. If the goal is winning a championship, a record like that isnt going to do it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boomdog @ Jun 29 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting Yi was the right move, because it signaled the right direction for the Franchise, moving on.

Writers who are bashing this move and saying that we don't have a chance at LeBron in 2010 are kidding themselves. What are we supposed to ignore the fact that three of the top players in the NBA could be free agents in two years and not clear cap room? Give me a break, I can't count the number of times I read articles blasting the Nets for not breaking up the big three and rebuilding.

As for the rookies, I don't think anyone can predict how it will turn out. I just want them to get playing time.</div>

Cap room or not.... i think people are dramatically overestimating the negative impact(Win/loss wise) that moving RJ will have on this team.

we won 34 games last year. I'd be very surprised if we weren't +/- 3 on that next year. and wouldn't be one bit surprised if we got to 40+
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Yea well theres the other thing people aren't realizing. Everyone keeps acting like we were a playoff team last with RJ. WRONG, we won 34 games, wheres the positive? Oh well yea tech. we were a playoff team because in the east you can get in with winning under 40 games. I don't know about all of you guys but i dont even wanna be in the playoffs if we'r getting in with a 500 or less record.
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Yeah. Can't the Nets be as good as the Sixers were last year? Maybe not, but it's not impossible.

The old team was terrible, so making these moves makes sense.

And the Nets still have moves to make. They can and probably will get veteran players that make them more competitive.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boomdog @ Jun 29 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JerseyJay14 @ Jun 29 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting Yi was the right move, because it signaled the right direction for the Franchise, moving on.

Writers who are bashing this move and saying that we don't have a chance at LeBron in 2010 are kidding themselves. What are we supposed to ignore the fact that three of the top players in the NBA could be free agents in two years and not clear cap room? Give me a break, I can't count the number of times I read articles blasting the Nets for not breaking up the big three and rebuilding.

As for the rookies, I don't think anyone can predict how it will turn out. I just want them to get playing time.</div>

Cap room or not.... i think people are dramatically overestimating the negative impact(Win/loss wise) that moving RJ will have on this team.

we won 34 games last year. I'd be very surprised if we weren't +/- 3 on that next year. and wouldn't be one bit surprised if we got to 40+
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Yea well theres the other thing people aren't realizing. Everyone keeps acting like we were a playoff team last with RJ. WRONG, we won 34 games, wheres the positive? Oh well yea tech. we were a playoff team because in the east you can get in with winning under 40 games. I don't know about all of you guys but i dont even wanna be in the playoffs if we'r getting in with a 500 or less record. If the goal is winning a championship, a record like that isnt going to do it.
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i want to be in the playoffs... 8 seed or otherwise. there is something to be said for a tradition of success. Playoff experience, an attitude that you belong in the playoffs every year, etc...
 
There are obviously a number of factors that will influence the Nets win/loss record next year. But, IMO, the biggest is the health/durability and leadership of VC and Harris. They are the only real creators on the team (though Marcus can fill that role about every fourth game). And if either Harris or Carter gets injured and is significantly hampered or misses time, the team will absolutely stink.

I expect Harris to be eager because of his youth and the fact that he is now seen as the guy that will "run" his own team. I also expect (and certainly hope) that Carter will be enthusiastic to start the season. He is at his best when he knows expectations of him are very low or that his value or leadership as a player has been low-rated. The hangover from the Kidd trade (Kidd's repudiation of Vince as a player you can win with), the Barkley/Magic Johnson crap, and the reported measly offer of Wally Zerbiack (sp?) for him, a trade that wasn't even met with laughter but actually considered briefly, should be enough to put the needed chip on his shoulder to start the year.

But if the Nets go 3 and 22 to and he's getting beaten up nightly from triple teams, it's bound to remain a very ugly season. It's all in how they start. And for any group of players, success can be as inert as failure. It's much easier to win when you've already won a little, much easier to have confidence when you've had some decent results. For that reason, Vince and Devin have to come out of the gate blasting and give this group a big shot of confidence and leadership in the first two weeks. That will go a long way to determining how competitive we can be throughout the season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jun 29 2008, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's all in how they start. And for any group of players, success can be as inert as failure. It's much easier to win when you've already won a little, much easier to have confidence when you've had some decent results. For that reason, Vince and Devin have to come out of the gate blasting and give this group a big shot of confidence and leadership in the first two weeks. That will go a long way to determining how competitive we can be throughout the season.</div>

Well, if the starts to the season they have had the last several seasons are any indication... argggghhhhhhh
 
when is the nba schedule released?!?! i wanna kno who our opponents are goin to be or when our first west coast road swing is... cuz we can use it as a guage
matchups and all
 
sometimes i think netincome doesnt even like the nets.

this team will be better off without krstic starting thats for sure.

cdr has something to prove in this league and if he brings that same college attitude to the nba he is going to make some noise.
 
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