Not Sure I Like This Remark So Much...

[The Sebastian Express]

Well no we lost game one because we decided to put a single defender on Yao and he didn't miss a shot in the first half and the game was over - which was horrifying to watch after the last two weeks of the season showed you could shadow and front Yao and the Rockets would lose. While there are things most of us want to see Roy improve upon to help make him a better player and the team a better team, I just can't fault him for that series loss last year. He was right to ask for more players - hell, most of us did.

 

[KingSpeed]

Yeah, that's what MJ said before he started involving his teammates more.......then winning titles.

MJ always turned his game UP in the playoffs, not down. You know how the Bulls won the championship in 1993?? Because Jordan averaged 41 ppg in the Finals. Remember the Jazz series where MJ was sick? He stepped up and scored 40+. You're out of your mind, ABM. Roy was not the problem last year.

 

[ABM]

MJ always had a usage rate above 32% in his title years. Roy isn't even near 30%. Then again, Roy will never be MJ...

what a stupid thread. Where do you find these people?

Usage, schmusage. Let me repeat the primary point once again for you: Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls. His teammates load the weak side and become spectators.

To me, that's not basketball.

 

[BGrantFan]

MJ always turned his game UP in the playoffs, not down. You know how the Bulls won the championship in 1993?? Because Jordan averaged 41 ppg in the Finals. Remember the Jazz series where MJ was sick? He stepped up and scored 40+. You're out of your mind, ABM. Roy was not the problem last year.

MJ averaged over 35% in usage rate in his title years, up from what he did in the regular season. Don't worry, though, ABM will be sure to criticize Roy's 33.1% from last year's playoffs, when nobody else but Aldridge could hit a fucking shot.

 

[KingSpeed]

Usage, schmusage. Let me repeat the primary point once again for you: Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls. His teammates load the weak side and become spectators.

To me, that's not basketball.

Bullshit. Check out Shaq's Finals averages when the Lakers won the title. Check out what Paul Pierce did in 2008. See above about Jordan in 1993.

Some players can't handle the pressure of the playoffs. We are lucky that Roy isn't one of those players. He stepped his game up for the playoffs. We got off to a big lead in Game 6 but then Outlaw came in and bricked shot after shot. If Outlaw comes to play, we win the series in 7.

 

[EGame]

Oh no the sky is falling! Heaven forbids Roy thinks he should take more shots when in reality he doesn't take enough!!! What to think!

 

[KingSpeed]

Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls.

That was not the case in the playoffs. Learn the game, then post.

 

[BGrantFan]

Usage, schmusage. Let me repeat the primary point once again for you: Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls. His teammates load the weak side and become spectators.

To me, that's not basketball.

I figured as much. Facts be damned, it's ABM's opinion that matters! He started the thread, so he must be correct!

 

[ABM]

MJ averaged over 35% in usage rate in his title years, up from what he did in the regular season. Don't worry, though, ABM will be sure to criticize Roy's 33.1% from last year's playoffs, when nobody else but Aldridge could hit a fucking shot.

Heh, yeah, I'm just Mr. Critical.

We shall see. We shall see.

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[BGrantFan]

That was not the case in the playoffs. Learn the game, then post.

This ABM guy must not watch basketball.

 

[BGrantFan]

Heh, yeah, I'm just Mr. Critical.

We shall see. We shall see.

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Didn't you start this stupid thread? What does "we shall see" mean? That you'll be hoping that Roy fails?

 

[KingSpeed]

Your first post makes no sense, ABM. Basically you're saying that when we lose, Roy should take less shots. Cuz that's all Roy was talking about. He was talking about games in which we lose. You left out thise part: "But when we win, I'm totally fine playing off the ball." How do you have a problem with that?

 

[EGame]

MIXUM 2.0?

 

[KingSpeed]

This disproves ABM's theory:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30337647/ns/sports-nba/

ABM is saying that when Roy gets the ball a lot, it's bad for the team, but in the game in which Roy had his career playoff high, we WON the game. It was the most important game of the series. If we lose, we get swept. Lesson to be learned: More Roy, not less.

 

[BGrantFan]

MIXUM 2.0?

Seems like it, huh? In a passive-aggressive sort of way, though.

 

[ABM]

Your first post makes no sense, ABM. Basically you're saying that when we lose, Roy should take less shots. Cuz that's all Roy was talking about. He was talking about games in which we lose. You left out thise part: "But when we win, I'm totally fine playing off the ball." How do you have a problem with that?

What I'm kind of sensing him saying is, "When the games are close near the end of games, I'd probably better be taking most of the shots for fear of losing. However, if it works out differently, and we somehow win, then that's cool."

....or something like that.

It's all good, fellas. Ol' ABM hasn't lost it. Just generating some friendly banter, that's all.

OK, me's gotta hit the hay. 5 AM comes earlier and earlier.............

 

[BGrantFan]

Give me a break. Even though I don't entirely agree with it, ABM's point is a legit one. Read it again: "Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls. His teammates load the weak side and become spectators." Disagree with it all you want, it is far from the trollish posts that MIXUM often makes.

That's not what he said in his original post. He mentioned Roy going "Kobe" on us.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I don't know what Roy said to KP after the Houston series, but if he did tell him to get some help, that was a perfectly intelligent and mature response.

 

[EGame]

Give me a break. Even though I don't entirely agree with it, ABM's point is a legit one. Read it again: "Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls. His teammates load the weak side and become spectators." Disagree with it all you want, it is far from the trollish posts that MIXUM often makes.

I was kidding. Time to not take things so seriously, yo.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I don't mind the ISOs late in games because teams are going to collapse on him and someone is going to be open, and Roy will kick it out. What I dislike is that we as a team depend on the ISO plays (as well as the pick and pop) throughout the majority of the game until just recently.

 

[KingSpeed]

Give me a break. Even though I don't entirely agree with it, ABM's point is a legit one. Read it again: "Many times late in games, Roy goes into that "iso" mode and the entire offense stalls. His teammates load the weak side and become spectators." Disagree with it all you want, it is far from the trollish posts that MIXUM often makes.

ABM made no sense whatsoever. Roy has a problem with not having the ball in games that we LOSE. He hates losing. If we lose, he feels he should've done more. That's a GOOD THING. He has absolutely no problem with sharing the ball as long as win. But facts are facts, we won in the playoffs last season when he was aggressive and not the other way around. If we lost the game in which Roy scored 42, he would have some sort of case, but that's not what happened.

 

[BGrantFan]

Well, then, does he have a problem with games that we lost when we went to him too much?

Ask Roy. I'm just not understanding your point. Who should have had the ball against Houston? Outlaw missed the biggest three of that series, as I remember it. Was that Roy being too selfish? Blake missed another huge three. Roy's fault?

 

[BGrantFan]

ABM is all alone on his criticism of Roy in the Houston series. I never said anything about that, so I'm not sure what you're not understanding from me.

I guess I don't get your point then, since the conversation evolved almost immediately into talking about the playoffs.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

So Roy's got a pretty sweet gig. When we win, he doesnt care about his stats because we won and he's all about winning. But, when we lose, its because he didnt get the ball enough because his teammates didnt pass to him? Or does he genuinely feel guilty for not being more assertive in games we lose?
I gave Roy a lot of credit when he said, during his hammy thing, that Miller figured it out before he did (how to complement one another). Was that just lip service?

 

[BGrantFan]

So Roy's got a pretty sweet gig. When we win, he doesnt care about his stats because we won and he's all about winning. But, when we lose, its because he didnt get the ball enough because his teammates didnt pass to him? Or does he genuinely feel guilty for not being more assertive in games we lose?
I gave Roy a lot of credit when he said, during his hammy thing, that Miller figured it out before he did (how to complement one another). Was that just lip service?

I don't see how Roy has a sweet gig. He's a 3-time All-Star who revived a dead franchise, and he still has threads like this that criticize him, and posters like you who question him from afar.

 

[BGrantFan]

I was initially responding to a poster that called ABM MIXUM 2.0. The poster later claimed it was just a joke. My issue was over some posters hypersensitivity to anything remotely negative that they read from other posters.

Fair enough.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

I don't see how Roy has a sweet gig. He's a 3-time All-Star who revived a dead franchise, and he still has threads like this that criticize him, and posters like you who question him from afar.

You don't think being the franchise player on an NBA playoff team is a sweet gig? Damn where do you work?

 

[BGrantFan]

You don't think being the franchise player on an NBA playoff team is a sweet gig? Damn where do you work?

You don't know, just like I don't know where you work. Tell me where your work, and I'll come watch you and judge your performance. I realize that Roy is paid more than handsomely, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "sweet gig" unless you have a certain type of personality. And my opinion is that being a franchise player takes a "me first and fuck the critics" mentality.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

You don't know, just like I don't know where you work. Tell me where your work, and I'll come watch you and judge your performance. I realize that Roy is paid more than handsomely, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "sweet gig" unless you have a certain type of personality. And my opinion is that being a franchise player takes a "me first and fuck the critics" mentality.

Well if Roy doesn't have that personality then it makes it even more of a "sweet gig". Because he'e getting paid like a basketball player who should have the "me first and fuck the critics" mentality. But does he?

 

[BGrantFan]

Well if Roy doesn't have that personality then it makes it even more of a "sweet gig". Because he'e getting paid like a basketball player who should have the "me first and fuck the critics" mentality. But does he?

I'm saying he does have that personality. I'm saying that you and I don't.