Not the "renouncing" thing again...

[Rastapopoulos]

I will be pissed off if this is necessary:

Turkoglu, a 6-foot-10 small forward, became a free agent last week by opting out of the final year of his contract with Orlando that would have paid him $7.3 million next season. The Blazers have to wait until the league announces its salary cap on July 7, but with a team salary at $50 million, they expect to be around $8 million under the cap. With the ability to free up an additional $1.7 million by renouncing former first round picks Petteri Koponen and Joel Freeland, who are both playing overseas, the Blazers figure they can offer nearly $10 million in the first year of the contract.

 

[BlazerFanForLife]

Hedo doesn't deserve more than 10 mil a year, this contract better not have increases in it if it does start at 10 mil. We will see if KP knows how to sign players to reasonable contracts soon.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Hedo doesn't deserve more than 10 mil a year, this contract better not have increases in it if it does start at 10 mil. We will see if KP knows how to sign players to reasonable contracts soon.

Hasnt he proven that with trav, blake, joel and martell?

 

[alex42083]

Freeland will never play here anyway, and Koponen... well, he's got some skills but nothing to fuss over IMO.

 

[Stevenson]

How dare they renounce players we know nothing about and will never see in order to get a guy who just played in the Finals and will clearly make us better???

 

[BlazerFanForLife]

Hasnt he proven that with trav, blake, joel and martell?

Sorry I meant Unrestricted Free Agent signings, he has done a great job with our players who don't deserve more then MLE.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If the cost of landing Hedo is releasing a player who will never sniff an NBA rotation in Koponen (under athletic) and a guy who would at best play backup power forward for us in 3 or 4 years, then I think that's a price I'm willing to pay.

 

[Ed O]

Against whom is Portland bidding? How many teams can give him a deal that's a million past the MLE? Detroit can't. Memphis can't.

Why does Portland need to go to $10m to start?

Ed O.

 

[BrianFromWA]

The answer (as shown in the other thread ) is one. OKC. Two if Toronto dumps half of it's free agents.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Not a chance we renounce the rights to Freeland. Koponen, not so sure about.

Freeland will probably start for the Great Britain squad this summer.

PG
Nate Reinking - Mons Hainaut (BEL)
Flinder Boyd - Leicester Riders
SG
Ben Gordon - Chicago Bulls (USA)
Nick George - Gravelines Dunkerque (FRA)
SF
Luol Deng - Chicago Bulls (USA)
Andrew Sullivan - CSK VVS Samara (RUS)
PF
Joel Freeland - Gran Canaria (ESP)
Dan Clark - Estudiantes (ESP)
C
Pops Mensah-Bonsu - Toronto Raptors (CAN)
Rob Archibald - Unicaja (ESP)
Andy Betts - Aris Thesaloniki (GRE)

Being the last spot in the roster between:
Mike Lenzly - Harem Scafati (ITA)
Jarrett Hart - Keravnos (CYP)

 

[ehizzy3]

Against whom is Portland bidding? How many teams can give him a deal that's a million past the MLE? Detroit can't. Memphis can't.

Why does Portland need to go to $10m to start?

Ed O.

yeah i don't get it.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

If we are in "WIN NOW" mode, then who cares if we renounce a couple Euros that wont even come over for 3 or 4 years? I say do it!

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

If we are in "WIN NOW" mode, then who cares if we renounce a couple Euros that wont even come over for 3 or 4 years? I say do it!

Good point. But I believe we (with Paul's $$) can still be in win now mode and still keep this guys for the future.

 

[Ed O]

If we are in "WIN NOW" mode, then who cares if we renounce a couple Euros that wont even come over for 3 or 4 years? I say do it!

Why not light a million dollars in cash, too? Or buy a thousand dead cats and airlift them to the Artic and drop them on the packed snow?

I think we should do things that we HAVE to do, whether it's "WIN NOW" mode (which I still hope we're not REALLY in... our team is too young) or not.

Signing Hedo for 40% more than any other team would offer seems like a bad business decision and it has a good chance of catching up to us down the line. If we renounced what might be valuable assets down the line, too? That's just stupid IMO.

Ed O.

 

[Stevenson]

Against whom is Portland bidding? How many teams can give him a deal that's a million past the MLE? Detroit can't. Memphis can't.

Why does Portland need to go to $10m to start?

Ed O.

Because that is essentially his market value. We are not the only players in this, and if you are trying to woo someone, a lowball offer is usually not a good idea.

That's my take.

 

[BrianFromWA]

To beat a dead horse...the last time we had FA room we overpaid a guy by bidding against ourselves. Mr. Miles is still on our cap. The last game he played for us was April of 2006.

 

[Draco]

Why not light a million dollars in cash, too? Or buy a thousand dead cats and airlift them to the Artic and drop them on the packed snow?

Oh gosh that would be awesome!

 

[Draco]

To beat a dead horse...the last time we had FA room we overpaid a guy by bidding against ourselves. Mr. Miles is still on our cap. The last game he played for us was April of 2006.

Wasn't he a restricted free agent?

That summer was brutal.

 

[barfo]

Why not light a million dollars in cash, too? Or buy a thousand dead cats and airlift them to the Artic and drop them on the packed snow?

I think we should. But I have to tell you, the market for dead cats is pretty hot, and I can only let you have them for $10,000 apiece if you give me a commitment right now. And you'll need to buy a full lot of 2500, I can't do partial orders.

barfo

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Sorry I meant Unrestricted Free Agent signings, he has done a great job with our players who don't deserve more then MLE.

Out of curiousity, what hasn't he done well at so far? That's a serious question. I genuinely want to know so that I can start criticizing his decisions before they even happen, and become overly pessimistic about hypothetical scenarios that could happen five years down the line. I feel left out.

 

[Ed O]

I think we should. But I have to tell you, the market for dead cats is pretty hot, and I can only let you have them for $10,000 apiece if you give me a commitment right now. And you'll need to buy a full lot of 2500, I can't do partial orders.

I already have a few thousand nearly dead cats in my freezer. Let me get rid of them so I can overpay for your dead cats.

Cool?

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

I already have a few thousand nearly dead cats in my freezer. Let me get rid of them so I can overpay for your dead cats.

Cool?

Ed O.

If you want, I can give you $10 trade-in on each of your nearly dead cats. Assuming they are sufficiently near death.

barfo

 

[mook]

I hope we aren't offering him a starting contract of $10 mil.

If we are, I hope it runs counter to most NBA salaries and actually scales down, to say $6 mil after four years. That way we can unload him like a hooker on a Sunday morning when we're done with him.

 

[Draco]

I hope we aren't offering him a starting contract of $10 mil.

If we are, I hope it runs counter to most NBA salaries and actually scales down, to say $6 mil after four years. That way we can unload him like a hooker on a Sunday morning when we're done with him.

Yeah because expiring contracts like Raef, Sabas, Damon, Nick Van Exel, Shareef got us so much in trade!

 

[BIG Q]

Not sure if anyone cares about the numbers, but working off of the following premise we would only have to waive or trade one of Freeland/Kopo;

1. The Blazers have $8 mil cap room.
2. Hedo wants 5 years/$50 mil.
3. The Blazers agree to item 2.
4. Blazers waive one of Freeland/Kopo, giving them an extra $8,824,000 of cap room.

With a starting salary of $8,824,000, with max 8% raises (8,824,000 x .08= annual raises of $705,920)

Year 1= $ 8,824,000
Year 2= $ 9,529,920
Year 3= $10,235,840
Year 4= $10,941,760
Year 5= $11,647,680
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$51,647,680

Now obviously this is more than 5/$50 mil. Better mathematicians could nail it exactly with maybe a 5% raise. The point being is to illustrate the Blazers would only have to waive or trade one of Freeland/Kopo.

 

[mook]

Yeah because expiring contracts like Raef, Sabas, Damon, Nick Van Exel, Shareef got us so much in trade!

That's exactly my point. All the expiring contracts you listed were over $10 mil. Pretty tough to trade. A $6-7 mil contract seems a lot easier.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Jamaal Magloire? Channing Frye? Steve Blake? Travis Outlaw? All had (for all intents and purposes) a <7M expiring contract.

 

[hasoos]

Hedo doesn't deserve more than 10 mil a year, this contract better not have increases in it if it does start at 10 mil. We will see if KP knows how to sign players to reasonable contracts soon.

It may not be about what Hedo deserves, it might be about getting a ring. How much is a ring worth?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

IF we have renounce any of our players to sign Hedo, I'll have a tough time with that. Pritchard won't do that though.

 

[Ed O]

Not sure if anyone cares about the numbers, but working off of the following premise we would only have to waive or trade one of Freeland/Kopo;

1. The Blazers have $8 mil cap room.
2. Hedo wants 5 years/$50 mil.
3. The Blazers agree to item 2.
4. Blazers waive one of Freeland/Kopo, giving them an extra $8,824,000 of cap room.

With a starting salary of $8,824,000, with max 8% raises (8,824,000 x .08= annual raises of $705,920)

Year 1= $ 8,824,000
Year 2= $ 9,529,920
Year 3= $10,235,840
Year 4= $10,941,760
Year 5= $11,647,680
__________________
$51,647,680

Now obviously this is more than 5/$50 mil. Better mathematicians could nail it exactly with maybe a 5% raise. The point being is to illustrate the Blazers would only have to waive or trade one of Freeland/Kopo.

I was thinking about this... couldn't we do a simple sign and trade with Orlando where they sign him at higher raises, we send them cash ($3m) and we have the cap space to absorb Hedo... they get a trade exception and they get actual cash... and Hedo gets potentially more money since he's getting larger raises.

Right?

Ed o.