Politics Nov. 2022 voting and election news (1 Viewer)

[Chris Craig]

Well, for one, redistricting happened all across the US, and didn't simply favor the Republicans.

https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/redistricting/

Additionally.......

https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...ntis-florida-e55ed9a1743d63d704fe40ea1ebcfbcc

The Florida governor made modest gains even among Black voters, who continue to back Democrats overwhelmingly; 18% of Black voters in Florida backed the Republican. He was supported by both men and women and voters across age groups. Majorities of college graduates and suburban voters supported him. Moderate voters split about evenly between DeSantis and Crist.

Lilly DeLisi, a Puerto Rican voter who identified as liberal before Trump launched his candidacy in 2015, said she supports whoever she thinks has a better handle of the economy as the country reels from record-high inflation. She was supportive of DeSantis.

“I don’t have to love who’s in charge,” DeLisi said. “Just to know that my dollar is going to go farther and that my gas and my money won’t be stretched so far, then I am going to vote for that person.”.......

Indeed, it’s unclear whether the GOP’s gains with Latino voters are part of a fundamental shift in Florida or an anomaly related to a difficult political environment for Democrats. The Florida GOP’s success did not necessarily play out in other states like Texas, where Republicans were equally bullish.

Juan Martinez, an adviser for the conservative Libre Initiative, said he continues to regard the Latino vote as a swing-vote community that can move in any direction in future elections. Latino voters, he said, require year-round attention to deliver political victories.

“One day they can vote Republican, the next election they can vote Democrat,” Martinez said. “Educate on issues. Forget about the drama in Washington, D.C., and the division. They want real solutions.”

National Democrats, meanwhile, have signaled little interest in competing for Latino votes in Florida. National campaign committees over the last year largely ignored the state, which is among the most expensive from a campaign perspective.

Florida Democratic strategist Jose Parra called on his party to do some “soul searching.”

“They need to think about whether they are going to concede Florida forever,” he said. “To me, that’s ludicrous given the fact that we were the largest swing state in the country, and the path to the White House for Republicans was impossible without Florida.”

“Instead of throwing up their hands,” Parra said, “they should make a long-term investment.”

We are talking about Florida. Yes, we can talk about other states too, but we are talking about Florida. The heaviest gerrymandered state outside of, if not more than Wisconsin.

The majority of the black population did not vote for him. Many of them were scared off because of DeSantis's tactics, with his "special police force", his redistricting, and his biased moves to allow Republican areas hit by the hurricane special voting measures, while disallowing it in liberal areas. He didn't let the feds in for a reason. He knew what they would see.

 

[Chris Craig]

Or run better candidates that aren't just whackadoodles or someone who has zero business running as governor (who never showed any interested in government in Oregon or Portland and then hot footed it out of town after he lost).

Or people from other states suddenly living here to be on the ballot.

 

[Chris Craig]

.....Gov. Ron DeSantis and Sen. Marco Rubio, both Republicans, offer the latest evidence that Florida is becoming increasingly red. They soared to early reelection victories Tuesday, both winning Miami-Dade County, which Democrat Hillary Clinton carried by 29 percentage points in 2016.

Florida has been a classic battleground. It twice helped propel Barack Obama to the White House. But the state, where the number of registered Democrats exceeded Republicans in 2020, has shifted increasingly to the right. That’s thanks to GOP inroads with Hispanic voters, as well as an influx of new residents, including many retirees, drawn to its lack of an income tax as well as its sunny weather.

“Democrats really have to think about how they are going to rebuild there. The Obama coalition no longer exists,” said Carlos Curbelo, a Republican former member of Congress, who called Florida ”off the map for the foreseeable future” to Democrats.

DeSantis won the governor’s office in 2018 by only about 30,000 votes. On Tuesday, he flipped at least six counties that he lost that year. Those counties were carried by Biden just two years ago.

Some Democrats blame some of Tuesday’s blowout losses to a lack of investment by their party.

“This is what happens when national Democrats decide to not spend money in the state,” said Greg Goddard, a Democratic fundraising consultant from Florida who raised money for Rep. Val Demings’ losing challenge of Rubio. “The pathway to Democrats winning future presidential elections is very thin if you do not plan to spend in Florida.”

You just don't get it.

 

[Natebishop3]

They're fucking guns, it's not like it's food or shelter. Buy a fucking taser if you need to collect weapons in a hurry. Or maybe throwing stars or numb-chucks, in case the Redcoats attack.

Hurry..... You think a year would be reasonable?

You know what dude, my wife's sister was murdered by a stalker, who possessed a gun illegally. Your background checks and your classes, and your permits would not have stopped him.

You know who could have used a gun when he burst into her apartment, pistol whipped her friend, and took her at gun point?

But hey...... as long as she knew in advance that this guy had been stalking her for years, scheduled a class, put in for a permit, and waited for the police to decide that she was eligible to get a gun, she could go out and get something to protect herself. Because, you know, the police around here are soooooooooo great at responding quickly. We're all super pleased with the quality of our police.

Or I guess she could have taken your advice and got a taser or some throwing stars or nun-chucks because those work really well against someone with a gun.

 

[ABM]

The majority of the black population did not vote for him.

Historically, the majority of Florida's Black voters don't vote Republican. So, that's really saying nothing at all. DeSantis made some gains in that area, though.

 

[Natebishop3]

get fucking pepper spray.

speaking as someone who was literally in a public shooting event, this was such an easy yes vote for me in that measure.

Would pepper spray have helped you against that shooter?

Would this law have stopped that shooter?

All you did was put several barriers in the way of law abiding citizens, including cost that many low income people probably can't afford because the safety courses are not cheap. Do you think the shootings will stop in Portland? Do you think those people will go through the legal measures to lawfully own a gun?

And the mass shooters are either legally buying them, in which case they're willing to wait and scheme, or they're stealing them from people who are willing to legally obtain them. Either way, this accomplishes nothing.

 

[julius]

Historically, the majority of Florida's Black voters don't vote Republican. So, that's really saying nothing at all. DeSantis made some gains in that area, though.

So if you make it so a group that doesn't vote for you, finds it hard to vote for the other guy because various forms of intimidation...

 

[Natebishop3]

The people who support these gun laws are the same people who mocked Trump and the MAGAs for wanting to "build a wall."

Just wanted to point out the irony in that.

 

[ABM]

So if you make it so a group that doesn't vote for you, finds it hard to vote for the other guy because various forms of intimidation...

So, these gains in voting from Blacks were because they were intimidated to do so?

https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...ntis-florida-e55ed9a1743d63d704fe40ea1ebcfbcc

....The Florida governor made modest gains even among Black voters, who continue to back Democrats overwhelmingly; 18% of Black voters in Florida backed the Republican. He was supported by both men and women and voters across age groups. Majorities of college graduates and suburban voters supported him. Moderate voters split about evenly between DeSantis and Crist.

 

[RR7]

Hurry..... You think a year would be reasonable?

You know what dude, my wife's sister was murdered by a stalker, who possessed a gun illegally. Your background checks and your classes, and your permits would not have stopped him.

You know who could have used a gun when he burst into her apartment, pistol whipped her friend, and took her at gun point?

But hey...... as long as she knew in advance that this guy had been stalking her for years, scheduled a class, put in for a permit, and waited for the police to decide that she was eligible to get a gun, she could go out and get something to protect herself. Because, you know, the police around here are soooooooooo great at responding quickly. We're all super pleased with the quality of our police.

Or I guess she could have taken your advice and got a taser or some throwing stars or nun-chucks because those work really well against someone with a gun.

But this law wasn't in place then, was it? So it wasn't this law that stopped her from buying a gun.

 

[Natebishop3]

But this law wasn't in place then, was it? So it wasn't this law that stopped her from buying a gun.

Did stalkers magically disappear since this law was passed?

 

[Natebishop3]

Why would you want a suppressor?

Most people buy them so they don't have to wear ear protection. They don't actually make guns quiet. Just quieter. The movies are bullshit.

The only time a suppressor actually makes a gun quiet is if it's a sub-sonic round, so maybe a .22 or a 9 mm. It can't make rifle rounds quiet at all. It's still an audible crack. Just not ear splitting. So some people like to use them if they go shooting a lot at the range.

Personally I think they're too expensive and I wouldn't pay that much for one, but my point is that it takes a long time to get approval.

 

[Natebishop3]

You don't want to wake the kids when you shoot the stalker.

barfo

Glad you think it's funny.

 

[ehizzy3]

Or run better candidates that aren't just whackadoodles or someone who has zero business running as governor (who never showed any interested in government in Oregon or Portland and then hot footed it out of town after he lost).

True but I think Kotek was a weak candidate and still won

 

[Natebishop3]

True but I think Kotek was a weak candidate and still won

Kitzhaber was being investigated for a crime and STILL won. It doesn't matter who the democrats pick. The GOP can't win here.

 

[twobullz]

My issue with gun law is it is going to have some negative consequences. One of my pass times is archery hunting deer and elk. I have a 9mm pistol I carry for protection against bears or cougars where a bow is not good for protection from a charging animal. Yes I was out in the woods and wandered into a sow and two cubs, I saw the cubs and heard her charging through the brush, fortunately it was a false charge and I quickly backed out of the area. Not feeling the 9 was enough for a charging bear, I bought a little heavier pistol to carry in the woods, a 10mm pistol. Guess what with the law it is now illegal for me to take these from my home and carry in the woods for protection. So what is this going to lead to, yep more guns being purchased. Just the opposite effect that they hoped. I am all for the AR platform going away and the big banana clips going away, but they wrote this narrow. Heck, the pistols police carry will actually be illegal because the clip holds 12 rounds, which is more then this law allows. Just another law that to many people voted for and didn't understand what it truly was. Just saw gun control so YES. I bet a lot of the people who voted yes just made their guns illegal without realizing it.

 

[twobullz]

Kitzhaber was being investigated for a crime and STILL won. It doesn't matter who the democrats pick. The GOP can't win here.

Kind of like no matter how big of a POS the republicans run in Florida the democrats can't win there. Lots of states like it.

 

[Natebishop3]

My issue with gun law is it is going to have some negative consequences. One of my pass times is archery hunting deer and elk. I have a 9mm pistol I carry for protection against bears or cougars where a bow is not good for protection from a charging animal. Yes I was out in the woods and wandered into a sow and two cubs, I saw the cubs and heard her charging through the brush, fortunately it was a false charge and I quickly backed out of the area. Not feeling the 9 was enough for a charging bear, I bought a little heavier pistol to carry in the woods, a 10mm pistol. Guess what with the law it is now illegal for me to take these from my home and carry in the woods for protection. So what is this going to lead to, yep more guns being purchased. Just the opposite effect that they hoped. I am all for the AR platform going away and the big banana clips going away, but they wrote this narrow. Heck, the pistols police carry will actually be illegal because the clip holds 12 rounds, which is more then this law allows. Just another law that to many people voted for and didn't understand what it truly was. Just saw gun control so YES. I bet a lot of the people who voted yes just made their guns illegal without realizing it.

I have a feeling it's going to be struck down.

 

[Natebishop3]

Kind of like no matter how big of a POS the republicans run in Florida the democrats can't win there. Lots of states like it.

No state should be perpetually run by the same party. Oregon has been under Democrat control my entire life and we have some major issues. There's no balance. And hilariously (or sadly) some of the things that democrats run on are some of the worst things about this state. Schools...... health care..... homeless.....

 

[illmatic99]

Would pepper spray have helped you against that shooter?

Would this law have stopped that shooter?

All you did was put several barriers in the way of law abiding citizens, including cost that many low income people probably can't afford because the safety courses are not cheap. Do you think the shootings will stop in Portland? Do you think those people will go through the legal measures to lawfully own a gun?

And the mass shooters are either legally buying them, in which case they're willing to wait and scheme, or they're stealing them from people who are willing to legally obtain them. Either way, this accomplishes nothing.

i want to make it tougher to get guns period. people don't need them. societies around the world work perfectly well without them. if these barriers deter people from buying them in the long run, then the measure serves its intended consequences for me.

 

[twobullz]

I have a feeling it's going to be struck down.

I agree, if not it will be tied up in court for years.

 

[julius]

No state should be perpetually run by the same party. Oregon has been under Democrat control my entire life and we have some major issues. There's no balance. And hilariously (or sadly) some of the things that democrats run on are some of the worst things about this state. Schools...... health care..... homeless.....

Schools are bad because of measure 5, not who is in charge. That ballot cut schools funding off and offered no suggestion for other fundage.

 

[Natebishop3]

Schools are bad because of measure 5, not who is in charge. That ballot cut schools funding off and offered no suggestion for other fundage.

I'm sure that measure was passed by the dozens of Republicans we still have in this state.

 

[julius]

I'm sure that measure was passed by the dozens of Republicans we still have in this state.

It's not like it was only 1 year that it went into effect. It capped the amount of $ per 1000 dollars of assessed value that is ear-marked for school.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Anyone follow the drama in Clackamas county during the last election?

The lady in charge of Clackamas county elections is a real POS. (She was not reelected.)

Anyway, there are some rumors starting to swirl in Clackamas co.

The last update from Clackamas co on election results was last night at 11:08pm. No updates since then.

MAGAs were allowed into the CC voting headquarters last election and apparently they were allowed in last night.

 

[Chris Craig]

Anyone follow the drama in Clackamas county during the last election?

The lady in charge of Clackamas county elections is a real POS. (She was not reelected.)

Anyway, there are some rumors starting to swirl in Clackamas co.

The last update from Clackamas co on election results was last night at 11:08pm. No updates since then.

MAGAs were allowed into the CC voting headquarters last election and apparently they were allowed in last night.

Messing with the vote?

 

[noknobs]

Hurry..... You think a year would be reasonable?

You know what dude, my wife's sister was murdered by a stalker, who possessed a gun illegally. Your background checks and your classes, and your permits would not have stopped him.

You know who could have used a gun when he burst into her apartment, pistol whipped her friend, and took her at gun point?

But hey...... as long as she knew in advance that this guy had been stalking her for years, scheduled a class, put in for a permit, and waited for the police to decide that she was eligible to get a gun, she could go out and get something to protect herself. Because, you know, the police around here are soooooooooo great at responding quickly. We're all super pleased with the quality of our police.

Or I guess she could have taken your advice and got a taser or some throwing stars or nun-chucks because those work really well against someone with a gun.

Most people keep guns in safes. If he burst into her apartment with a gun I doubt she'd have time to have gotten it so I'm not sure what your point is. It appears your argument is that having less gun restrictions will result in fewer crimes? That's not even worth arguing over.

 

[Natebishop3]

Most people keep guns in safes. If he burst into her apartment with a gun I doubt she'd have time to have gotten it so I'm not sure what your point is. It appears your argument is that having less gun restrictions will result in fewer crimes? That's not even worth arguing over.

I'm arguing that making it significantly harder to acquire guns will not hurt criminals, it will only hurt law abiding citizens.

 

[noknobs]

I'm arguing that making it significantly harder to acquire guns will not hurt criminals, it will only hurt law abiding citizens.

You act like everyone involved in gun violence is a criminal. Most incidents are not premeditated and wouldn't happen in the first place had guns not been immediately present. Law abiding citizens can still buy guns if they want. It's insane that you seem to think this is the most important issue on the ballot.

 

[Natebishop3]

Most incidents are not premeditated and wouldn't happen in the first place had guns not been immediately present.

Please provide some kind of evidence to back this up.