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I didn't even flinch this time ... but based on the fact that he was able to go a little bit, I'd guess it's not too severe ... I'd guess.
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Please get better soon.I don't think we can live with Rudy's streaky shooting, but we will see.
Well I don't think it will kill us, but we might lose a few games because of it
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by now I'm used to you not making much sense, so in a roundabout way this nonsequitur works
I didn't see what happened to Bayless... could someone fill me in please
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Well I don't think it will kill us, but we might lose a few games because of it
Well I wasn't trying to diss Rudy, but I just don't think he will provide the scoring like Bayless/Roy can (especially Roy). Of course Bayless is still inconsistent, but he was capable of scoring thanks to how he can get to the rim. Rudy is strictly a shooter in the mold of Blake and may not provide that third scorer behind Miller and Aldridge. I am just worried on how we will score.
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Well I wasn't trying to diss Rudy, but I just don't think he will provide the scoring like Bayless/Roy can (especially Roy). Of course Bayless is still inconsistent, but he was capable of scoring thanks to how he can get to the rim. Rudy is strictly a shooter in the mold of Blake and may not provide that third scorer behind Miller and Aldridge. I am just worried on how we will score.
I didn't think you were dissing him, I was trying to be a little funny; implying that we won't literally die ... nevermind, it wasn't that funny after all.
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I didn't think you were dissing him, I was trying to be a little funny; implying that we won't literally die ... nevermind, it wasn't that funny after all.
O my bad, I catch on to jokes quick, eh?
You're right though, it won't kill us, unless he gets hurt again too... :O
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Yup, same reaction. When he came up hobbled, I wasn't shocked, I wasn't mad, I wasn't sad, it was like, watching a leaf fall from a tree, it barely even registerd as an "event"
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Please get better soon.
Are you saying Bayless shooting isn't steaky?
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No, we're just nervously hoping that they won't screw up the treatment of this ailment as well...
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Where did I say that? Anywhere? I admit Rudy is a better shooter than Bayless, but at least Bayless can bring another dimension to his game and create for himself and others. Rudy does not (or has not) shown that ability to drive, all he has shown is he is a jump shooter, streaky at that. Are you disagreeing he is streaky?
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by now I'm used to you not making much sense, so in a roundabout way this nonsequitur works
I didn't see what happened to Bayless... could someone fill me in please
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What makes it worse is the fact that Rudy is clearly not fully back from his injury. He's so rusty it's not even funny. His handles are shakier than I've ever seen.
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Pops is a Urologist. I didn't see Jerryd go down and didn't know what had happened, but I figured his expertise probably wouldn't be needed.Just having fun STOMP. I meant no offense.
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This loss hurt. Bayless has got to be available while Roy is out.
It's basically because Steve Blake has such limited talents and puts too much pressure on everyone he plays with. I've never seen a softer player in Pro Basketball than Steve Blake.
Here were the efforts of those who played tonight from one aspect of the game. It's a huge aspect. It's the ability of a player to get another player to commit a foul. By being able to do this, you do a number of great things:
1. Put the opponents best players in foul trouble and get them to then either play softer (which Blake always plays like a guy who has 5 fouls and is afraid to get the 5th), or to send their best players to the bench.
2. Get to the foul line and shoot high-percentage shots.
Tonight these players got Boston's players in to commit a foul:
Bayless:
Pierce
Davis
T. Allen
Bayless was on his way to causing 6 or 7 fouls to be called against players covering him. This is typical for him.
Webster:
T. Allen
Perkins
Wallace
Garnett
Pierce (3 fouls against Webster)
Webster had a monster game causing opponents to foul him 7 times. That put a tremendous amount of pressure on their Defense and helped the Blazers get to the foul line often. But, it's a team effort, and when you got one guy like Blake who's totally useless in this deparment, Blake becomes a welcome to opponents every time he steps onto the floor. Blake can be used effectively for about 10 minutes a game max as a spot-up 3 point shooter and a fair defender against certain types of players.
Howard:
Perkins (2 fouls against Howard)
Howard's effort got Perkins out of the game early in the 1st Half, where Perkins is one of their better Defenders. Wallace came in and was a force, but Aldridge was dynamite against him.
Miller:
Rondo (3 fouls against Miller)
Perkins
Pierce (2 fouls against Miller)
Garnett
Miller was outstanding also causing opponents to foul him 7 times just like Webster. This is typical for Miller, but Webster's contribution is something he can do every time if he wants to do it, unless Blake or someone else takes his minutes. This is something that Outlaw and Batum do not do. When Outlaws' cold, he's worthless. If Webster's cold, he still plays good defense and he can get opponents in foul trouble at the same time, helping Roy, Blake, LaMarcus and Miller get to the foul line. Rudy doesn't get to the line either, but that, I feel, is because he's so skinny and causing him not to get the calls from the refs. He tries, and with time, he will get the calls from the refs. Again, Blake's inability to get to the line cost us 3 or 4 points tonight and might have put another of Boston's players out of the game where they wouldn't have made an impact late in the game.
Miller should have gotten at least one more call. Miller understands completely how all of this that I'm writing fits into a team's ability to win. It's like breaking a sledgehammer against a rock. You pound and pound and pound and pound and then suddenly it explodes. That's what happens in the 2nd half of the 4th Quarter when foul trouble sets in. I knew with Roy out and Bayless starting that we had a chance to accomplish this tonight. Roy creates these things for himself, but he fails to help others create these things. We actually had a better chance to beat Boston tonight without Roy than with Roy because of this. We would have if Bayless hadn't gone down. Against Boston this is true, but against other teams, we're better with Roy. It's really just Blake that's the problem. He's such a weakling and plays like a girl, and that's an insult to a lot of girls.
Aldridge:
Wallace (3 fouls against Aldridge)
Garnett (2 fouls against Aldridge)
Davis
Aldridge got opponents to foul him 6 times tonight and more importantly, 5 of them were against Wallace and Garnett. A great game by Aldridge tonight. I do want to add that Blake played a good game tonight, but unfortunately, his good game is not enough to make the difference in winning against Boston. It's just what it is. Blake is a 10-minute per game player, whoever he'd play for. That's all he'd get if he played for San Antonio or the Lakers or Boston or Orlando or New Orleans or Houston or Phoenix, etc.
Aldridge also should have gotten another two calls and didn't.
Rudy:
Garnett
Rondo
Rudy could have gotten another call for sure.
Overall fouls for Boston:
Garnett---5
Rondo---4
Wallace---4
Perkins---4
Pierce---6
Davis---2
R. Allen---1
T. Allen---1
Oh. Blake, as usual, didn't cause anyone to commit a foul against him because he plays like a girl.
Here's what Blazers players are averaging per 36 minutes of play as far as getting to the free throw line. You can't get to the free throw line on a non-shooting foul unless enough of your teammates are helping get you there by getting opponents to foul them, too. Blake does none of this. That McMillan can't see this is a major flaw in McMillan's ability as a coach. Though, I'd still give McMillan Coach-of-the-Year. But Coach-of-the-Year is a reward for overcoming dire circumstances. Had no injuries happened, this team was destined to be another 1st round playoff loser with Blake leading the way as McMillan attempts to slow everything down to a crawl with Blake running things McMillan's way. Even with the changes, the Blazers are still DEADLAST in the NBA in Pace Factor.
Bayless.. 7.7 Free Throw Attempts Per 36 minutes
Roy....... 6.3
Miller...... 5.9
Oden...... 4.6
Outlaw.... 3.7
Aldridge... 3.4 (What Aldridge did tonight is what he needs to do every night.)
Pryzbilla... 2.7
Rudy....... 2.6
Martell..... 2.5 (What Martell did tonight is what he needs to do every night.)
Cunningham. 2.1
Pendergraph. 1.9
Howard..... 1.0
Blake....... 0.9 (GirlyBoy can't get an opponent to foul him in the act of shooting or foul him at all when their team is in the penalty even once every other game. Not once every other game. He'd then be averaging 1.0 if he did. That is the ultimate definition of a girlyboy. And, this is Nate McMillan's favorite guy. This is how screwed up Nate is. Whenever Steve Blake dribbles the ball, everyone in the arena knows that he's not going to make an attempt to score, so there's no need for anyone to leave their man. He can always be handled one-on-one. So, he makes nobody better around him when he has the ball. He's not a point guard. Not even close. Even if he's right at the rim, he won't shoot it because he's so afraid of contact or that the shot might be blocked. Watching him participate in a fast-break is a disaster waiting to happen.)
Detroit's a horrible team, so we might win without Bayless. But say good-bye to any wins for a while if Bayless misses any more games while Roy is out.
If Blake and Travis got just 10 minutes per game, that'd be perfect. More than that and they are detriments towards winning.
It's basically because Steve Blake has such limited talents and puts too much pressure on everyone he plays with. I've never seen a softer player in Pro Basketball than Steve Blake.
Here were the efforts of those who played tonight from one aspect of the game. It's a huge aspect. It's the ability of a player to get another player to commit a foul. By being able to do this, you do a number of great things:
1. Put the opponents best players in foul trouble and get them to then either play softer (which Blake always plays like a guy who has 5 fouls and is afraid to get the 5th), or to send their best players to the bench.
2. Get to the foul line and shoot high-percentage shots.
Tonight these players got Boston's players in to commit a foul:
Bayless:
Pierce
Davis
T. Allen
Bayless was on his way to causing 6 or 7 fouls to be called against players covering him. This is typical for him.
Webster:
T. Allen
Perkins
Wallace
Garnett
Pierce (3 fouls against Webster)
Webster had a monster game causing opponents to foul him 7 times. That put a tremendous amount of pressure on their Defense and helped the Blazers get to the foul line often. But, it's a team effort, and when you got one guy like Blake who's totally useless in this deparment, Blake becomes a welcome to opponents every time he steps onto the floor. Blake can be used effectively for about 10 minutes a game max as a spot-up 3 point shooter and a fair defender against certain types of players.
Howard:
Perkins (2 fouls against Howard)
Howard's effort got Perkins out of the game early in the 1st Half, where Perkins is one of their better Defenders. Wallace came in and was a force, but Aldridge was dynamite against him.
Miller:
Rondo (3 fouls against Miller)
Perkins
Pierce (2 fouls against Miller)
Garnett
Miller was outstanding also causing opponents to foul him 7 times just like Webster. This is typical for Miller, but Webster's contribution is something he can do every time if he wants to do it, unless Blake or someone else takes his minutes. This is something that Outlaw and Batum do not do. When Outlaws' cold, he's worthless. If Webster's cold, he still plays good defense and he can get opponents in foul trouble at the same time, helping Roy, Blake, LaMarcus and Miller get to the foul line. Rudy doesn't get to the line either, but that, I feel, is because he's so skinny and causing him not to get the calls from the refs. He tries, and with time, he will get the calls from the refs. Again, Blake's inability to get to the line cost us 3 or 4 points tonight and might have put another of Boston's players out of the game where they wouldn't have made an impact late in the game.
Miller should have gotten at least one more call. Miller understands completely how all of this that I'm writing fits into a team's ability to win. It's like breaking a sledgehammer against a rock. You pound and pound and pound and pound and then suddenly it explodes. That's what happens in the 2nd half of the 4th Quarter when foul trouble sets in. I knew with Roy out and Bayless starting that we had a chance to accomplish this tonight. Roy creates these things for himself, but he fails to help others create these things. We actually had a better chance to beat Boston tonight without Roy than with Roy because of this. We would have if Bayless hadn't gone down. Against Boston this is true, but against other teams, we're better with Roy. It's really just Blake that's the problem. He's such a weakling and plays like a girl, and that's an insult to a lot of girls.
Aldridge:
Wallace (3 fouls against Aldridge)
Garnett (2 fouls against Aldridge)
Davis
Aldridge got opponents to foul him 6 times tonight and more importantly, 5 of them were against Wallace and Garnett. A great game by Aldridge tonight. I do want to add that Blake played a good game tonight, but unfortunately, his good game is not enough to make the difference in winning against Boston. It's just what it is. Blake is a 10-minute per game player, whoever he'd play for. That's all he'd get if he played for San Antonio or the Lakers or Boston or Orlando or New Orleans or Houston or Phoenix, etc.
Aldridge also should have gotten another two calls and didn't.
Rudy:
Garnett
Rondo
Rudy could have gotten another call for sure.
Overall fouls for Boston:
Garnett---5
Rondo---4
Wallace---4
Perkins---4
Pierce---6
Davis---2
R. Allen---1
T. Allen---1
Oh. Blake, as usual, didn't cause anyone to commit a foul against him because he plays like a girl.
Here's what Blazers players are averaging per 36 minutes of play as far as getting to the free throw line. You can't get to the free throw line on a non-shooting foul unless enough of your teammates are helping get you there by getting opponents to foul them, too. Blake does none of this. That McMillan can't see this is a major flaw in McMillan's ability as a coach. Though, I'd still give McMillan Coach-of-the-Year. But Coach-of-the-Year is a reward for overcoming dire circumstances. Had no injuries happened, this team was destined to be another 1st round playoff loser with Blake leading the way as McMillan attempts to slow everything down to a crawl with Blake running things McMillan's way. Even with the changes, the Blazers are still DEADLAST in the NBA in Pace Factor.
Bayless.. 7.7 Free Throw Attempts Per 36 minutes
Roy....... 6.3
Miller...... 5.9
Oden...... 4.6
Outlaw.... 3.7
Aldridge... 3.4 (What Aldridge did tonight is what he needs to do every night.)
Pryzbilla... 2.7
Rudy....... 2.6
Martell..... 2.5 (What Martell did tonight is what he needs to do every night.)
Cunningham. 2.1
Pendergraph. 1.9
Howard..... 1.0
Blake....... 0.9 (GirlyBoy can't get an opponent to foul him in the act of shooting or foul him at all when their team is in the penalty even once every other game. Not once every other game. He'd then be averaging 1.0 if he did. That is the ultimate definition of a girlyboy. And, this is Nate McMillan's favorite guy. This is how screwed up Nate is. Whenever Steve Blake dribbles the ball, everyone in the arena knows that he's not going to make an attempt to score, so there's no need for anyone to leave their man. He can always be handled one-on-one. So, he makes nobody better around him when he has the ball. He's not a point guard. Not even close. Even if he's right at the rim, he won't shoot it because he's so afraid of contact or that the shot might be blocked. Watching him participate in a fast-break is a disaster waiting to happen.)
Detroit's a horrible team, so we might win without Bayless. But say good-bye to any wins for a while if Bayless misses any more games while Roy is out.
If Blake and Travis got just 10 minutes per game, that'd be perfect. More than that and they are detriments towards winning.
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The stats tell a different story. Travis has always drawn fouls at a much higher rate then Martell, and Rudy at about the same. Martell is going to the line at about his career average this year... nothing seems to have changed. I don't think this is merely a matter of him deciding he's going to go draw more fouls, it's probably more a reflection of his abilities. Dude has weak handles. He can't count on guys running into him on 3 point attempts (like last night with Pierce) every game.
09/10 Martell WS 2.6 Usage 18.3... 44 games in his Win Share projects out to 4.8 for the year
08/09 Travis WS 5.3 Usage 22.0
08/09 Blake WS 5.8 Usage 17.0
08/09 Rudy WS 6.1 Usage 18.4
For injury reasons, Travis Blake and Rudy all fared better last year then this. It seems that you're projecting that Martell is doing much better (or could be) then he actually has been. I'll grant you that his D is improved from his earliest years, but he is hardly a lock down guy.
it seems you're playing favorites in your analysis
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To play devil's advocate ... rolled ankles usually come as a result of cumulative fatigue. It's pretty rare to see someone turn the ankle over in limited action or early in a contest (across sports), although the former could be argued as largely a sample size issue. With our bench players pressed into bigger roles than they have grown accustomed to, these sorts of things are likely to happen.
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I don't think this applies to Bayless. Dude has been getting more NBA minutes of late, but it's not like he hasn't been pushing himself off that stage for years now. This injury was sustained in the first half and it's not like they were in a back to back game situation... JB had played all of 21 minutes two nights before.
sometimes it just happens
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I consider Bayless to be among the most rugged players on the team, so other than his dangerous choice of shoes, I would agree it's just the way the cookie crumbles. (Note that I did say cumulative fatigue, though, not just the one game. He has played a lot more the past month than he did for the previous year and a half. The body doesn't instantly remember the way things used to be, although it does so better with youth on its side.)
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He came down on sombody's foot! I have a hard time believing that if he wasn't "fatigued" that he'd have been able to shake that off.
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People land on feet all the time during the course of a game (or step on rocks and sticks while running) and nothing happens most of the time. You only see the replay when the ankle buckles... The likelihood of injury shoots up dramatically the later in the activity it occurs, i.e. when fatigue sets in.
