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So we're only looking at the last five years now?
Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap
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Its amazing that your hatred for the guy runs so deep that you have to base his entire career on what his OPS has averaged for the last 5 years. Let me ask you something, now this may be tough for you to answer since your knowledge for the game is minimal at best. But in those last 5 years lets look at 2012. How many 38 year old players have had seasons where they led the league in hits (216), battered over 300 (316), had an OBP of .362, an OPS of .791 & finished in the top 10 MVP voting? I'll wait.
Messiah: are you even paying attention?
These isn't some obscure sabermetric, just simple stats that anyone should be able to understand.
Anyways, as i've already mentioned, i don't think there is much else left to be said on here that already hasn't been, and we're just going in circles, so i'm done with this thread and you and the rest of the fanboys can enjoy some time alone gazing at greatness of Jeter without anyone disagreeing with you.
These isn't some obscure sabermetric, just simple stats that anyone should be able to understand.
Anyways, as i've already mentioned, i don't think there is much else left to be said on here that already hasn't been, and we're just going in circles, so i'm done with this thread and you and the rest of the fanboys can enjoy some time alone gazing at greatness of Jeter without anyone disagreeing with you.
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Mess, does this really surprise you. Anyone who spends a second of his time looking to denigrate the career and accomplishments of a first time shoo in hall of famer like Derek Jeter whose only question will be how high his percentage will be he is elected with is hard to take seriously. I've gotten used to it as he is the same way during the ranger season antagonizing one poster after the other with his condescending tone and off the wall statements.
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It's defined pretty much in what I said earlier. We can all have opinions as long as they're ones he agrees with.
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Of course you're done with this thread, because NO ONE is agreeing with you. So you do what most kids do when they get hurt or angry, you take your ball & run home. Which explains why you've elected to delete several of my posts instead of responding to them. like post #179. whats wrong, too tough to answer. Of course it is.
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lol
Jeter was never a great hitter. He was never a great fielder. He wasnt even really a good fielder.
What Jeter had though was a fantastic career. No disputing that.
He strung together a lot of really good seasons a few good ones and some average seasons into a remarkable career.
It's funny how everyone jumps on anyone who doesn't talk about his greatness even though he didn't have many great seasons.
The facts are the facts. Zero MVPs. Zero batting titles. Never led the league in ANY statistical category. Largely recognized by experts as a good defensive SS with lousy range even in his prime.
Last time I checked you can be an all time great HOFer and be over rated. That's Derek Jeter
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What Jeter had though was a fantastic career. No disputing that.
He strung together a lot of really good seasons a few good ones and some average seasons into a remarkable career.
It's funny how everyone jumps on anyone who doesn't talk about his greatness even though he didn't have many great seasons.
The facts are the facts. Zero MVPs. Zero batting titles. Never led the league in ANY statistical category. Largely recognized by experts as a good defensive SS with lousy range even in his prime.
Last time I checked you can be an all time great HOFer and be over rated. That's Derek Jeter
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BTW its not just 31 and me who think he is over rated. I guess his peers who play the game dont know anything about baseball either
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...rek-jeter-baseball-overrated-article-1.293992
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05...-chamberlain-derek-jeter-mlbs-most-overrated/
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...rek-jeter-baseball-overrated-article-1.293992
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05...-chamberlain-derek-jeter-mlbs-most-overrated/
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Passions on both sides in this discussion. Tempers flare. Can we try and get our point across by being more civil?
I didnt edit, didnt delete. I undeleted posts that were deleted. Why? Similar to other posts that were allowed to stand.
Everyone try and be a bit more civil. Thanks.
I didnt edit, didnt delete. I undeleted posts that were deleted. Why? Similar to other posts that were allowed to stand.
Everyone try and be a bit more civil. Thanks.
Come on Dis, Never a great hitter or a good fielder but somehow that equates to a fantastic career?? What???
The facts 8 top 10 mvp finishes including the 2 he got hosed out of. No batting titles despite seasons he batted .324,.349, ..339, ..324, ..343, ..322, .334, which in many years would have won batting titles. He did lead the league twice in hits which is a statistical category including at age 38. How many guys played 20 seasons and have a lifetime .312 average? As for all time great HOFer and be over rated I'm interested in one or two of those previous players you could name that are all time HOFers and are considered overrated? Seattle huh?? LOL
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Fine Derek Jeter is an overrated all time great. That makes so much sense we should just leave it at that.
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Now dis is citing popularity contest articles as statistical evidence? Pathetic. Should have read the Daily Snooze article a little more thoroughly dis since despite players saying Jeter was overrated he was voted #2 player to build a team around behind Aroid. Also if the Pirates had drafted Jeter out of HS 31, he most likely would have gone to Michigan instead of going pro. Still looks like it's 2 haters against the board though as a Mariner fan you have no point of reference to judge baseball greatness dis.
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I blame this thread's longevity on Glen's inactivity. Somebody needs to dip one of the old coot's cigars in Geritol to wake his ass up and get him to start resigning a few key pieces instead of obscure undersized Europeans. Let's Go Glen!
He had a couple of great seasons but mostly good or very good ones. Why is that so bad to admit??? His greatest value was he played a premium position at SS and put up MUCH better numbers for most of his career than avg SS who outside of a handful of players mostly cannot hit.
I dont think career avg of .312 with 15 HR a year makes him a GREAT hitter. I think it makes him a good hitter. Because he is a SS he is great. He had the same career batting avg as Garciaparra (I know Jeter is better, he was way more durable and played longer before you jump all over me).
Defensively he wasnt great. I dont think there is anyone who can dispute that.
The reason why Jeter is great is because he played well for 20 years for mostly good to great teams, played well in the playoffs and won 5 rings.
Why do you think his peers think he is over rated?? They would know him better than anyone on this board. I am sure its just jealousy, eh?
I dont think career avg of .312 with 15 HR a year makes him a GREAT hitter. I think it makes him a good hitter. Because he is a SS he is great. He had the same career batting avg as Garciaparra (I know Jeter is better, he was way more durable and played longer before you jump all over me).
Defensively he wasnt great. I dont think there is anyone who can dispute that.
The reason why Jeter is great is because he played well for 20 years for mostly good to great teams, played well in the playoffs and won 5 rings.
Why do you think his peers think he is over rated?? They would know him better than anyone on this board. I am sure its just jealousy, eh?
Come on were all Ranger fans first and foremost
What does me being a Mariners fan have to do with anything?
And if you dont like the Daily Snooze here is the Post ;-) Its an SI poll anyway
http://nypost.com/2008/06/20/player-poll-jeter-overrated/
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The 2008 poll also listed Arod as overrated. Pretty much shows how much worth it had back then. We may not like Alex now and things have certainly gone to crap but looking at his 2007 season and his career prior to that what exactly was overrated?
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Holy shit are you really serious with this. I would have expected this from your little friend that been hanging onto your coat tails for moral support but not from you. I mean the first link is from 7 years ago & on the 2nd one 7% voted Jeter as over rated? 7%? Not exactly over-whelming now is it? LMAO.
This thread has officially hit the comedic mark.
Probably the fact that he never performed in games that mattered. I agree with your point though.
I just thought it was interesting. I like the discussion even though all the Yankee fans think I am am crazy
Just trying to provide you some info that it isn't just 31 and I. Sorry my link isnt more up to date
With that I am going to tap out. People dont like my opinion so they make fun of my links and toss insults. All good. I am a big baseball fan and we all have our opinions. I will stick to Ranger talk from now on as Jeter hits too close to home for most on here and that is fine.
For the record, if you want to know a great hitter look at Tony Gwynn....RIP. Also a 20 year career, career .340 avg. 7 batting titles. Flirted with .400. That is a great hitter.
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As least you bring a bit more to the table than your little pal 31. I mean that kid is a flat out Jeter hater & doesn't credit Jeter with anything.
Yep. He was a great hitter but he had a big head and was fat. Also, the enquirer voted him the best player on a team that was a consistent cellar dweller playing in front of a 100 fans a game and no one cared about. Only kidding Dis LOL. I agree its time to talk ranger hockey and can't wait till next week to see what our 3 arbitration guys end up getting and what if any kids make the team come training camp. Still time for a big trade Glenn just don't trade my Staal. If Brassard is really sniffing 5.5 he's my candidate to go in a package for a 1 center
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Wow I go on vacation and all hell breaks loose...
For the record I am a lifelong yankee fan, growing up I loved watching mickey rivers and willie randolph, oscar gamble, rickey Henderson dave windfield, donnie baseball, mike stanley bernie williams, etc...
Derek Jeter is a icon in the sense that he played a demanding position in the worlds largest pressure cooker, nyc.
His stats, imo, are as much talent that jeter possesses but for the talent around him. Batting leadoff and #2 with talent around that was more dangerous played into jeters strong points, being patient and going the other way. Can jeter be the lead dog on a talentless team, again in my opinion, NO. Too many years he was on a team with fellow all stars that can carry the load.
This is not to take anything away from his career, you have to be a great to stay in the game at ss and hit over 300 lifetime. You cant take that away from him, you cant be just average and get 3,400 hits. That's all him.
His greatness is a product of the media, and him being drafted at the right time.
If he was drafted by the yankees 5 years earlier, steinbrenner would have shipped him off and he would he a average guy.
He was drafted during the core 5.
For the record I am a lifelong yankee fan, growing up I loved watching mickey rivers and willie randolph, oscar gamble, rickey Henderson dave windfield, donnie baseball, mike stanley bernie williams, etc...
Derek Jeter is a icon in the sense that he played a demanding position in the worlds largest pressure cooker, nyc.
His stats, imo, are as much talent that jeter possesses but for the talent around him. Batting leadoff and #2 with talent around that was more dangerous played into jeters strong points, being patient and going the other way. Can jeter be the lead dog on a talentless team, again in my opinion, NO. Too many years he was on a team with fellow all stars that can carry the load.
This is not to take anything away from his career, you have to be a great to stay in the game at ss and hit over 300 lifetime. You cant take that away from him, you cant be just average and get 3,400 hits. That's all him.
His greatness is a product of the media, and him being drafted at the right time.
If he was drafted by the yankees 5 years earlier, steinbrenner would have shipped him off and he would he a average guy.
He was drafted during the core 5.
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bigd, your perception of #2 is so far off i don't know where to begin...
all i can say is for his 3000th hit, he hits a dinger off the best in the business, at an advanced age, with the whole world watching... jeter's intangibles are what made him who he is, not many players have them!
all i can say is for his 3000th hit, he hits a dinger off the best in the business, at an advanced age, with the whole world watching... jeter's intangibles are what made him who he is, not many players have them!
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What part is off base?
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Only player to have 200 hits, 100 runs and 300 total bases in the post season. Add that to a career where he's over .300 lifetime and has an outside shot at 3500 hits and that's impressive enough without talking about the intangibles.
He also played in more post season games then any player in baseball history Messiah. BTW I always thought Bernie Williams was the true post season star. Most doubles runs scored, home runs and RBIs ever in post season. Jeter was great too. Especially hitting singles in the playoffs 
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