Now We Have A Series

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">With Richard Jefferson providing the offense, the New Jersey Nets had plenty of defense to get back into their Eastern Conference semifinal series.

Jefferson poured in a playoff career-high 30 points on 11-of-19 shooting, leading the Nets to an 82-64 victory over the Detroit Pistons in Game 3.</div>

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[DajuanWagner#2]

Great game, really deserved... loved to see Nets getting into the playoffs again..

 

[Big Zee]

Kidd & K-Mart really do SUCK in this series. To reply to DW#2's sig: right here, in the second round

 

[Rave]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd & K-Mart really do SUCK in this series. To reply to DW#2's sig: right here, in the second round </div>

I certainly hope you're joking and that was sarcasm, I can't really tell seeing as these are posts however. Kidd was the key in that game as well, Jefferson's offense was found and provided for by Kidd. As for K-Mart, he still has the athleticism as we saw in the monster tip slam in game 2, he just needs to get into a faster rhythm. I hope they beat the Pistons, I think they can, but it'll be a difficult task, and against Indiana, even harder.

 

[mike18946]

It's not a series unless NJ win game 4, then It becomes a best of 2 out of 3. Which everyone knows can go either way.

Jefferson's performance was the difference, the Pistons guards shot very badly and only Ben Wallace looked decent out there. I don't expect that to be the case in game 4.

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd & K-Mart really do SUCK in this series. To reply to DW#2's sig: right here, in the second round </div>

Kidd playing on one leg. Iam not making excuses for kidd bad shooting, because we all know he struggles shooting the rock alot of the time. But its clear kidd isnt 100%, so Iam not expecting him to produce much in the scoring column. As long as he is forcing tempo in the open court. And doing a good job handling the ball against Lindsey Hunter & the Pistons when they pressure the ball handler, thats all you can ask of J.kidd at this point. He still averaging 9.7apg in this series. Its up to Kerry Kittles & Lucious Harris to produce the points in the backcourt right now.

And Kenyon Martin has been in foul trouble alot this series. He picking up alot of cheap fouls being overly aggressive because he is giving up so much size against the Wallace boys. But he has produced during his limited time on the court.

With Kidd playing on a injured leg. And Martin giving up so much size they arent going to be able to dominate their matchups in this series. But they will produce in different ways. If the Nets win this series RJ will be the one to lead them on the offensive end.

 

[throwback]

game was fun to watch. rj showed everyone the star he is becoming. only if he can give that everyday and on the road he will be a superstar in no time. i also enjoyed watching big ben, yes he is the enemy but he is just all hustle. he seemed to grab every rebound that a nets player didnt grab. he seemed to be the only piston that played 48minutes and showed up. kmart had a nice begining but these fouls he is picking up has killed him and is killing us. same thing for sheed in that game.

what has happened to prince? ever since game 1 he has seemed to disappear like marbury did in the 4th quarter. i don't have the exact #'s, but he has not made a fg since game one. he is sometime like 0-8 i heard in g2 and g3. same thing for sheed. i thought he would dominate the series b/c k's been in foul trouble but that hasnt been the case, i guess that b/c of coach brown not calling his #. just suprised at those two in g2 and g3.

game will mean something if we can take g4. we are at home, we should have the same intensity from the beginning till the end like we had in g3. we should be able to win g4, but you never know how well coach brown will have the pistons bounce back because they know they played horrible and are capable of playing a helluva lot better than what they did in g3.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd & K-Mart really do SUCK in this series. To reply to DW#2's sig: right here, in the second round </div>

Kidd sucks this series? I don't know about you man but I'd gladly get that around 10 assists that he's giving out each game. Plus he fueled almost all the fastbreaks of the Nets.

KMart's in foul trouble all series. What do you expect when he's guarding basically all the big men of Detroit? He scored 7 points in the 1st quarter then went down with a foul trouble.

 

[throwback]

Big Zee is either ignorant or an immature piston fan/net hater. don't pay any attention to a person who posts something that has no truth to it and a post that is a post-padding post.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

Hehehe.

Oh and Allnet, I'm calling it now a series coz if they lost and became down 0-3, then it would be all over. But now that they're only down one game, both teams have chances to win the series. So it's now a series.

 

[B.e.]

The Nets played a good game on Sunday but I'm not sure if its enough,it seems like every team that gets a 2-0 lead wins the series but you never know,K-Mart is goin to have to contribute more on the offensive end but I know its not easy with the Wallace's.

 

[Big Zee]

Jason Kidd has shot the ball 40 times this series. Nine have gone in. NINE!!!

 

[Chucksta]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Kidd has shot the ball 40 times this series. Nine have gone in. NINE!!!

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Zeg medebelg, een beetje rustig me Jason Kidd ?

Sorry guys, just something Belgian

 

[throwback]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Kidd has shot the ball 40 times this series. Nine have gone in. NINE!!!

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i guess u didn't hear about his knee problems for the season. think before you post please or you just cannot be taken seriously. thanks

 

[B.e.]

It doesnt matter how many shots he makes because J-Kidd is a player that will probaly always have a positive effect on his team.He doesnt have to score to be a contributor thats what makes him the player he is.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Kidd has shot the ball 40 times this series. Nine have gone in. NINE!!!

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Ask every coach in this league if they'd still want Kidd eventhough he's shooting poorly if he's leading the team like he does and you'll get a common answer, YES!

You have to understand kid that you have to actually look at the other contributions other than the scores to know if he's effective or not. Oh, and looking at the box scores only wouldn't suffice because it wouldn't show everything.

Kidd has had a bad shooting percentage all throughout his career. Almost no one ever complained.

 

[throwback]

even jason himself said he didnt come into the league as a shooter. this is not a shock to anyone that he doesn't have the stroke that kobe does, but he can make shots and can have a stretch of games where he can't miss. kidd is purely the best, shooting well or not.

 

[Big Zee]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting InNETSweTrust:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd has had a bad shooting percentage all throughout his career. Almost no one ever complained.</div>


I was a Kidd fan up until the trade from the Suns to the Nets. While I have always been astonished that nobody has taken offense to Kidd's shooting percentage (he shoots the ball worse than Iverson, who does get heat for it), I was able to forgive him up until the Jersey trade.

Since then, Jason Kidd has been blatantly overrated. Stephon Marbury was mocked because he couldn't take the same Nets team that made it to the Finals with JKidd to the play-offs. Same team, huh? Bullcrap! 4 of the 5 starters on that team were injured for long stretches during the season with Steph (Kittles did not play all season). When Kidd played there the first season, there were no injuries.

So that's been my major reason to hate on Kidd: actually it is to give counterweight to all the unjustified Kidd-Steph comparisons. This season, people were saying once more that Steph was the lesser of Kidd in the play-offs. Bullcrap! Allan Houston and Tim Thomas were injured, which caused all of Steph's assists to the wing to be bricked by Shandon fudgin' Anderson.

 

[InNETSweTrust]

No one blames Kidd for his bad shooting percentage because he's a pass- first PG. He makes his other teammates look better. Plus the fact that he will probably make clutch shots even if he missed all his shots before that. Plus the fact that he's the best PG rebounder this modern age.

Steph is lesser than Kidd in the playoffs? You betcha.

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Kidd has shot the ball 40 times this series. Nine have gone in. NINE!!!

</div>How is this for a response 20 11 and 10!

 

[InNETSweTrust]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">Since then, Jason Kidd has been blatantly overrated.</div>

Kidd overrated?! Are we talking about the same Jason Kidd?!

 

[throwback]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">I was a Kidd fan up until the trade from the Suns to the Nets. While I have always been astonished that nobody has taken offense to Kidd's shooting percentage (he shoots the ball worse than Iverson, who does get heat for it), I was able to forgive him up until the Jersey trade. </div>
once again, lets see if this gets through peoples skull about kidds shooting. kidd was never a shooter/scorer. he can put points up and have over the course of his career and his jersey career if you watch the games. plus iverson takes so many shots that his percentage is never going to be great. he has to shoot a lot for philly to win. hes a scorer, he doesnt shoot, philly won't win.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Since then, Jason Kidd has been blatantly overrated. Stephon Marbury was mocked because he couldn't take the same Nets team that made it to the Finals with JKidd to the play-offs. Same team, huh? Bullcrap! 4 of the 5 starters on that team were injured for long stretches during the season with Steph (Kittles did not play all season). When Kidd played there the first season, there were no injuries.</div>
overrated!? you have GOT to be kidding me and everyone else. that shows that you cant even make logical points b/c ur a kidd hater. how can someone be overrated when he help to take a team to its first ever nba finals two years in a row with young players? kmart was only in his 2nd yr and collins and rj were rookies. so please tell me how that is being overrated! i can understand you saying that if he had tim duncan or shaq, but he didnt. he had two young fowards and a new center on that nets team. and since when was steph supposed to take the nets far in the playoffs. i don't recall hearing that the nets team with him was supposed to win the east and go to the finals. he had the players who he had and he made the best of it. if u put steph with that 1st yr team kidd was on(yes there was van horn but thats not saying alot b/c he wasnt the best player at that time), he wouldn't have made them(players and team) better and they wouldnt go far into the playoffs b/c the guys were young and had no experience so steph would try to take over and kmart and rj would never grow. bottom line, kidd is a leader and teacher, steph is not. they are totally different players offensivly and defensivly so you can't compare. but u can tell who is the best pg in the league and who is not.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So that's been my major reason to hate on Kidd: actually it is to give counterweight to all the unjustified Kidd-Steph comparisons. This season, people were saying once more that Steph was the lesser of Kidd in the play-offs. Bullcrap! Allan Houston and Tim Thomas were injured, which caused all of Steph's assists to the wing to be bricked by Shandon fudgin' Anderson.</div>

thats a pretty stupid reason. b/c he "cant" shoot and that he was traded for steph. steph was lesser of kidd in the playoffs. if you were talking about the knicks vs nets, then you bring in allen houston and tim thomas' injuries. but if your talking about steph vs kidd, kidd won it easily. steph has enough talent to drive to the basket and make open jumpers, he didnt do that. the injuries had some impact on stephs game possibly, but that much of an impact where he didnt show up in the second half!?!? com'on, he just didnt step up to the plate.

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I was a Kidd fan up until the trade from the Suns to the Nets. While I have always been astonished that nobody has taken offense to Kidd's shooting percentage (he shoots the ball worse than Iverson, who does get heat for it), I was able to forgive him up until the Jersey trade</div>.

Iverson gets called out because all he basicilly does is shoot. He doesnt bring the intangibles to the table that kidd does.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Since then, Jason Kidd has been blatantly overrated. Stephon Marbury was mocked because he couldn't take the same Nets team that made it to the Finals with JKidd to the play-offs. Same team, huh? Bullcrap! 4 of the 5 starters on that team were injured for long stretches during the season with Steph (Kittles did not play all season). When Kidd played there the first season, there were no injuries. </div>

What you fail to talk about is the chemistry problems that Steph created his 2 seasons with the Nets. He went at it with Kendall Gill, Keith Van Horn, Kenyon Martin all because of his shot selection. His teamates never had faith in him as their leader at the point. The Nets were in complete disray when he was here. Everybody was selfish, You had like Stephen Jackson,I got love for him but,who lauch the ball everytime he touched the rock. Everybody during those years were out only for stats & self promotion. And it all started at the point guard position. Soon as J.Kidd step in New Jersey he provided the Nets with leadership.He put the faith back into guys like Van Horn, Harris, Kittles. Guys who were on that 98' team that made the playoffs & had nothing but upside. They knew with Kidd leading them they could get back to that level & surpass it.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So that's been my major reason to hate on Kidd: actually it is to give counterweight to all the unjustified Kidd-Steph comparisons. This season, people were saying once more that Steph was the lesser of Kidd in the play-offs. Bullcrap! Allan Houston and Tim Thomas were injured, which caused all of Steph's assists to the wing to be bricked by Shandon fudgin' Anderson.</div>

Granted Steph options were limited. But at least he could have elevated the talent around him to pull out one victory. Kurt Thomas, Penny Hardaway are still decent players when their games are elevated. And its up to Steph as the leader of the Knicks to help elevate their game. Nobody said that the Knicks had to win the series. But at least he should have helped to put his team in a situation to be competive in the series. And maybe pull out a game or 2.

Listen Iam not a Marbury hater. I like Marbury indiviual talent. And Iam happy he is back in the tri-state. I live in New York, so I know the excitment & hope Marbury brought to New York when he got trade back to the area in December. But Iam happy he isnt with the Nets anymore. It isnt the place for him. He isnt the type of point guard the Nets need to lead them

 

[Venom04188]

Well basically everyone in here is right. He didnt help the knicks as a leader cause he would always try to take over games in the 4th quarter but to tell you the truth i dont blame him..Cause kurt would always miss from the corner where hes always standing and alot of peole would miss so whatever idk

 

[throwback]

kurt thomas is a whole different story. he is a big guy, has muscle yet ALL he does, or did in the series, was camp on the right baseline and wait for the ball to bounce to him off a reb or for steph or penny to pass it to him. he really needs to post up a helluva lot more for the knicks to have any shot. they didnt have a low post guy to go to and as a power foward that is your job. thats why i think he is/could be on his way out of NY. he is a PF but tries to play a SF and make the 15footer all the time and only take the 15ftr.

 

[Big Zee]

If you look at it objectively, Stephon has never got the chances JKidd has got in his career. He has never had the team around him JKidd now has. That's just a fact.

He could not have possibly guided the Knicks to a victory because of what was already said in here about Kurt Thomas AND because -- and if you watched these games you would know it -- the plays that were run for Allan Houston were well executed with Steph presenting shots for Shandon Anderson on a dinner plate, with the now well known result: brick after brick. For God's sake, look at Shandon Anderson's FG%: he made 7 of 27 (wide open!!) shots!

At that point, Steph has got to step up and of course he then has to force the issue, because no one else is able to step up; on the Nets team, JKidd does not have to take that responsibility.

Oh and that stuff about Kidd being a pass first shoot second PG is very true, but is that really an excuse for bricking so many wide open J's? No, it is not. Let me give you the example of another shoot second PG, John Stockton. For his career, Mr Stockton shot the ball at a 52% rate. That, ladies and gentlemen, is efficiency. Kidd does not have that, shooting wis of course, and I do blame him for that.

 

[throwback]

if hitting the rim is considered bricked shots, then yes kidd does do that. i think what you mean bricking shots means that he chucks it off the backboard and it looks ugly. he misses, he doesnt brick unless he,anyone else, has to throw it up b/c of the shot clock. everyone has a brick shot here or there, but ur making sound like thats all kidd does is either make it or brick it. he has normal misses shots. and anyone who has an off game is going to miss wide open jumper, like u've been saying about anderson. he has hot shooting games/halfs/quarters then he doesnt like others, he's just not the most consistant shooter in the league and every knows that-especially kidd himself.

*sigh...enough with kidd's shooting*

 

[Venom04188]

aww man have u seen when kidd does does fakes like hes gonna pass and makes the layup on the break man those are amazing, he probably taught Kerry how to do that cause on game 3 kerry did that...The nets need to win one on the road no matter what i hope they play like the way they did for game 5

 

[Big Zee]

I'm sorry I post in this thread again, but I did not want to start a new one. Have you guys now seen how overrated Kidd really is? In the first Game 7 of his career, he can't even score? Is this the MVP candidate? (talking about the last few seasons)

What I meant by Kidd being overrated is just situations like this: he cannot take over a deciding game, when they needed him the most. All this season, RJ has bailed him out and when he for once did not lead the Nets, Kidd failed. I wouldn't even call it "failed" because there exists no word for what Kidd "showed" last night. And don't start about K-Mart. Is this a franchise player?

 

[throwback]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Big Zee:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry I post in this thread again, but I did not want to start a new one. Have you guys now seen how overrated Kidd really is? In the first Game 7 of his career, he can't even score? Is this the MVP candidate? (talking about the last few seasons)

What I meant by Kidd being overrated is just situations like this: he cannot take over a deciding game, when they needed him the most. All this season, RJ has bailed him out and when he for once did not lead the Nets, Kidd failed. I wouldn't even call it "failed" because there exists no word for what Kidd "showed" last night. And don't start about K-Mart. Is this a franchise player?

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AHAHAHAHAHA ROFFLES!!!! man, i think this is the first ever 7games you have seen the nets play. it has to be. nobody and be this stupid. sadly you have not seen past years. 2yrs ago you can arguably say that kidd was the mvp over duncan, but td got it. he was injured this whole year and detroit IS a good team. don't sell them short. and it doesnt help that out of your whole roster that 1 guy has been in a game 7. palace isn't the easiest place to win, especially when it is the franchises, FRANCHISES, first game 7, not just kidd's.

for you to keep crying about kidd being overrated shows that you are an immature kidd hater, and there is no place for haters only. if you hate kidd at least give a reasonable reason to hate him. not just b/c of the obvious. everything has been said to prove you wrong, you know your wrong- u just hate kidd. so please, let this go and when you grow up next year feel free to post once again. kthx.