OT Nuggets Shopping Kenneth Faried In Trade Market

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I will say this: none of us know how Faried would preform under the Blazers system, let's not be too negative about the prospect of him joining.

We'd have to play him with Meyers to maintain any kind of floor spacing, he's just not what we are looking for at the 4 imo.

 

[BBert]

I will say this: none of us know how Faried would preform under the Blazers system, let's not be too negative about the prospect of him joining.

What prospect?

Like the prospect that I'm going to join the Blazers?

I gotta $40 bill says he ain't gonna come; we just won't do it.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Nate]

What prospect?

Like the prospect that I'm going to join the Blazers?

I gotta $40 bill says he ain't gonna come; we just won't do it.

Nothing to see here.

It's settled! That's an official bet! Get ready to pay!

 

[BBert]

It's settled! That's an official bet! Get ready to pay!

Haha!

 

[Chris Craig]

It's settled! That's an official bet! Get ready to pay!

You actually think there is a nickels chance in hell he comes here, that Neil would trade for him? LMAO

 

[Chris Craig]

What the hell for? He's overrated, undersized, and kind of a knucklehead. Plus, he's going down the Zach-Randolph road, earning his reputation as an uber-scrapping garbage man then deciding to spend increasingly more time floating around shooting rather than banging down low. Plus he pissed off Steve Blake once.

That son of a bitch!

 

[Blazers Roy]

You actually think there is nickels chance in he'll he comes here, that Neil would trade for him? LMAO

Why not? he's better than Meyers,Vonleh,Layman and probably Ezeli.

 

[Chris Craig]

Why not? he's better than Meyers,Vonleh,Layman and probably Ezeli.

He's better then Layman of course, better than Vonleh now maybe, but Vonleh has a better upside, his potential makes him the better player. Ezeli is better, his injuries have gotten the better of him.

Faried isn't a team player. He is egotistical and thinks he's better than everyone else...kind of reminds me of someone that used to play for the Blazers...but faried isn't even at that level. Faried is a regression in the making.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Do they like below average bigs in Denver?

Apparently, they like to overpay them and then try to ship them out for second round picks or flat out waive them. They have a recent history of overpaying bigs with PER>20 that have a negative overall impact on their team, and then regretting it. Exhibit A: JaVale McGee; Exhibit B: J.J. Hickson; Exhibit C: Kenneth Faried. These are all selfish players that care more about padding their own stats than winning.

BNM

 

[Blazers Roy]

He's better then Layman of course, better than Vonleh now maybe, but Vonleh has a better upside, his potential makes him the better player. Ezeli is better, his injuries have gotten the better of him.

Faried isn't a team player. He is egotistical and thinks he's better than everyone else...kind of reminds me of someone that used to play for the Blazers...but faried isn't even at that level. Faried is a regression in the making.

So you can shit on Faried when Vonleh plays at a high level and Ezeli can actually play without getting injured every season. Until then, lets not act as if our team is stacked with 10 legit starters and we don't need him.

I think coaching affected his "regression" as well, he would be rated higher if he played under Brad Stevens instead of playing for the Kings' former coaches.

 

[Boob-No-More]

So you can shit on Faried when Vonleh plays at a high level and Ezeli can actually play without getting injured every season. Until then, lets not act as if our team is stacked with 10 legit starters and we don't need him.

I think coaching affected his "regression" as well, he would be rated higher if he played under Brad Stevens instead of playing for the Kings' former coaches.

Serious question: What would Faried give us that Ed Davis doesn't? If you look at their advanced stats, in most of the rate stats (TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK%), they are nearly identical, with one notable exception - USG%. Davis gives us Faried's production, at a much lower USG%. Davis doesn't demand the ball to be productive, which makes him the perfect complimentary player to our high scoring guards.

If you look at the various Win Share and Box Plus/Minus stats, Davis is the clear winner. Davis is also 2" taller and can can play the center position. Faried cannot. Davis is much cheaper and fits in perfectly with the team's chemistry and culture. He wants to be here, and it shows.

So, why do we need Faried?

BNM

 

[0-Our!]

So you can shit on Faried when...

Pretty sure we can drop a big steamy pile right on his forehead... right now(u know what I mean by this... ). Country Faried Chicken's an empty stat stuffer w/ crap b-ball IQ.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Serious question: What would Faried give us that Ed Davis doesn't? If you look at their advanced stats, in most of the rate stats (TRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK%), they are nearly identical, with one notable exception - USG%. Davis gives us Faried's production, at a much lower USG%. Davis doesn't demand the ball to be productive, which makes him the perfect complimentary player to our high scoring guards.

If you look at the various Win Share and Box Plus/Minus stats, Davis is the clear winner. Davis is also 2" taller and can can play the center position. Faried cannot. Davis is much cheaper and fits in perfectly with the team's chemistry and culture. He wants to be here, and it shows.

So, why do we need Faried?

BNM

Because he's better than 4-5 guys we have now, because he is a better trade asset than those guys.
I'm not expecting him to take us to the finals and i don't want to give anything meaningful for him, i just want him to play instead of guys who are inferior like Meyers.

 

[Blazer4ever]

He's a nice player, high energy, athletic. Good for crashing the offensive boards, brings enthusiasm, also seems like a good kid. But he is not really a prime time player. He was maybe the best player for the Nuggets but only when they didn't win anything. He has good hands and athleticism but not a real post game, his defense isn't as good as his rebounding (although I don't know if I ever really paid attention to his defensive game) and I don't think he'd be more than another option for us and we already have several players playing his position who are just as good.
He should accept a smaller role and stay with the Nuggets, I wouldn't be surprised if he could actually flourish in such role and the Nuggets would be better off

 

[Boob-No-More]

Because he's better than 4-5 guys we have now, because he is a better trade asset than those guys.
I'm not expecting him to take us to the finals and i don't want to give anything meaningful for him, i just want him to play instead of guys who are inferior like Meyers.

He's redundant. He's an expensive, shorter, less versatile, inferior version of Ed Davis. Meyers may be lacking, but he offers a skill Faried lacks (3-point shooting) and so does Vonleh (emerging low post game). These varied skill sets give Stotts options. If we added Faried, he'd either sit behind Ed Davis, or share minutes with him to provide similar production. Best case, he's a net 0. He doesn't give us anything we don't already have in Davis and robs us of the versatility we currently have. I don't see the point of adding him and his contract to our roster.

Faried tied a career high for 3-pointers last season with 1. He's now made a total of 2 in his 5-year NBA career. How many non-shooters do we need in Stotts' system that relies on shooters to space the floor?

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Faried's an effort player, but Stotts turns every player he gets into an effort player, so Faried wouldn't stand out here. Wasn't Faried the best player on the 2014 international team, I forgot, I think that was the year. Coach K saw that he lacked elite NBA blue chip talent, and so you notice that Faried wasn't even on the 2016 team.

He should go to an undermotivated team, where he can set an Energy Bunny example and raise the level of his teammates.

 

[riverman]

Because he's better than 4-5 guys we have now, because he is a better trade asset than those guys

guess that explains why they couldn't trade him for the last two season they've dangled him.....when we acquired Afflalo from Denver I remember him complimenting our locker room and saying Denver's was toxic.....we don't need those guys here. Faried is not better than the depth we have at his position and he's expensive...not on board with any trade for this guy

 

[Blazers Roy]

guess that explains why they couldn't trade him for the last two season they've dangled him.....when we acquired Afflalo from Denver I remember him complimenting our locker room and saying Denver's was toxic.....we don't need those guys here. Faried is not better than the depth we have at his position and he's expensive...not on board with any trade for this guy

Denver management is not stupid, they try to get the upper hand on of trades.

 

[Blazers Roy]

He's redundant. He's an expensive, shorter, less versatile, inferior version of Ed Davis. Meyers may be lacking, but he offers a skill Faried lacks (3-point shooting) and so does Vonleh (emerging low post game). These varied skill sets give Stotts options. If we added Faried, he'd either sit behind Ed Davis, or share minutes with him to provide similar production. Best case, he's a net 0. He doesn't give us anything we don't already have in Davis and robs us of the versatility we currently have. I don't see the point of adding him and his contract to our roster.

Faried tied a career high for 3-pointers last season with 1. He's now made a total of 2 in his 5-year NBA career. How many non-shooters do we need in Stotts' system that relies on shooters to space the floor?

BNM

You make sense on paper, but when Meyers is on the floor i just want a guy who can actually compete,grab rebounds and bring energy, he just leaves a lot to be desired.

We'll see about Vonleh, but as of right now he's a project player on a team looking to make noise in the playoffs. I don't see how he fits in better than a seasoned veteran like Faried.

This is just my compliment towards Ed Davis btw, i just want another Ed Davis.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You make sense on paper, but when Meyers is on the floor i just want a guy who can actually compete,grab rebounds and bring energy, he just leaves a lot to be desired.

We'll see about Vonleh, but as of right now he's a project player on a team looking to make noise in the playoffs. I don't see how he fits in better than a seasoned veteran like Faried.

This is just my compliment towards Ed Davis btw, i just want another Ed Davis.

We already have 3 high energy bigs without a jump shot that are all bigger and cheaper than Faried. As I mentioned Ed Davis gives us virtually identical production at a much lower USG% and a much lower salary. Why would we want a shorter, more expensive Ed Davis wannabe when we already have the real thing? Festus Ezeli is another high energy big that will give us superior rim protection while still getting the hustle points and attacking the basket the way Faried does. Mason Plumlee has a very different skill set than Faried, but is also a high energy big without a reliable jump shot. I just don't see the point of adding a 4th high energy big when we already have three that are superior to Faried, cheaper and already on our roster.

And I don't consider Faried a tradable asset. Ever since Denver gave him his last extension, they've been trying to move him without any takers. They are really just looking to unload his contract. Like they did with JaVale McGee (two future 2nd round picks) and J.J. Hickson (waived). They are basically having trouble giving Faried away. No thanks.

BNM

 

[Blazers Roy]

We already have 3 high energy bigs without a jump shot that are all bigger and cheaper than Faried. As I mentioned Ed Davis gives us virtually identical production at a much lower USG% and a much lower salary. Why would we want a shorter, more expensive Ed Davis wannabe when we already have the real thing? Festus Ezeli is another high energy big that will give us superior rim protection while still getting the hustle points and attacking the basket the way Faried does. Mason Plumlee has a very different skill set than Faried, but is also a high energy big without a reliable jump shot. I just don't see the point of adding a 4th high energy big when we already have three that are superior to Faried, cheaper and already on our roster.

And I don't consider Faried a tradable asset. Ever since Denver gave him his last extension, they've been trying to move him without any takers. They are really just looking to unload his contract. Like they did with JaVale McGee (two future 2nd round picks) and J.J. Hickson (waived). They are basically having trouble giving Faried away. No thanks.

BNM

Do you see Neil keeping Plumlee for the long run?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Do you see Neil keeping Plumlee for the long run?

I think the organization would like to retain him, if they can make the money work (all the more reason to avoid Faried and his contract). I'm not sure how they can pull that off, but they have people who are paid big bucks to figure it out.

I think they value Plumlee's unique skill set, his energy, his work ethic and his high basketball IQ. For a big man, he sees the court extremely well. We saw that in the LAC series, and I think that's an arrow Terry Stotts likes to have in his quiver.

Since we can't seem to land the Al Horfords, Hassan Whitesides and Dwight Howards of the world, I think the organization views Plumlee as someone they can continue to develop due to his work ethic and intelligence. Smart players seem to thrive in Terry Stotts' system.

I think that's also one of the reasons why we signed Festus Ezeli. Because he plays a power game, I think some people overlook his intelligence. He started playing the game at a relatively late age and has become a solid NBA big man. He chose to attend Vanderbuilt for academic reasons and you can hear the intelligence when he speaks. If he can get healthy, he should do very well under Terry Stotts. He also has a nice complimentary skill set to Plumlee. In lieu of landing a top tier, two-way center, I think a two headed center by committee of Plumlee and Ezeli could work very well going forward. Ezeli gives us a physical low post player who is an elite rim protector and Plumlee gives us a high energy big that runs the court well and can act as a secondary distributor out of the high post.

The pair of them also gives Terry a lot of versatility when combining them with other bigs at 4. Plumlee and Harkless worked very well together in the LAC series. I'd also like to see how Ezeli works paired with Meyers. I don't think that's a pair you could rely on for big minutes, but I think it could work well in spurts. Meyers can space the floor while Festus owns the paint. It would only work well against other teams that go big at the 4/5, but it's nice to have that option in those situations.

BNM