Nurkic extension not a sure thing

[chzbrgr]

Please tell me more about how business works. I'm sure I could learn so much from you.

Learning from me would require you to be teachable, which if the level of dementia shown in your posts is any indicator, you are incapable of.

 

[Chris Craig]

Its a sure thing. Paul will wait and go over to extend him. It will happen no matter the luxury tax.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Learning from me would require you to be teachable, which if the level of dementia shown in your posts is any indicator, you are incapable of.

You know me so well.

 

[chzbrgr]

You know me so well.

at least you're honest

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree with the article. If we sign Nurk to a max contact without somehow dumping a bunch of salary we're looking at a pretty hefty tax bill. And for what? So we can lose to Golden State in the second round rather than the first? I can see Paul Allen thinking long and hard about it.

The reason is you would then have that salary to trade. You could trade large expiring contracts for a quality players who need a new home.

We're not going to have cap space, regardless of what we do, so we have lost that flexibility. Having large expiring deals on the books can actually give you more options than being right below the luxury tax threshold. If the owner buys into that. I don't think Paul is sold on that... Actually I think he's close, but just not there yet.

 

[Schilly]

Nurkic is really unproven for any duration. So it would be a mistake to give him a big payday yet. Let him play out the season make him a RFA then negotiate a fair contract. If he gets a bigger offer elsewhere you match.

 

[chzbrgr]

Nurkic is really unproven for any duration. So it would be a mistake to give him a big payday yet. Let him play out the season make him a RFA then negotiate a fair contract. If he gets a bigger offer elsewhere you match.

This is the same strategy that cost Utah Hayward. If you want your good players to stay you have to show them that by paying them what they are worth. Nurk's ceiling is all-star level and he should be payed as such without any hesitation or arm twisting by another team.

 

[dviss1]

Sign My boy...

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[Minstrel]

This is the same strategy that cost Utah Hayward. If you want your good players to stay you have to show them that by paying them what they are worth. Nurk's ceiling is all-star level and he should be payed as such without any hesitation or arm twisting by another team.

There's a middle way, which is to let him play out this season and then offer him a max deal before free agency opens assuming he actually proves that last year's 20 games wasn't any sort of fluke. That way, Portland minimizes their risk, but doesn't tell a star player to hit the bricks and find a max somewhere else before Portland matches it.

If just making him play out his first contract is the problem, then that's tough luck, I guess. I wouldn't be comfortable handing a max deal to a player who's had injury issues and only 20 games of max level play. It would be different if he had unrestricted free agency coming up, but giving up the chance to ensure he is what he appears to be would be more risky than the good feelings would be worth, IMO.

 

[Blazinaway]

There's a middle way, which is to let him play out this season and then offer him a max deal before free agency opens assuming he actually proves that last year's 20 games wasn't any sort of fluke. That way, Portland minimizes their risk, but doesn't tell a star player to hit the bricks and find a max somewhere else before Portland matches it.

If just making him play out his first contract is the problem, then that's tough luck, I guess. I wouldn't be comfortable handing a max deal to a player who's had injury issues and only 20 games of max level play. It would be different if he had unrestricted free agency coming up, but giving up the chance to ensure he is what he appears to be would be more risky than the good feelings would be worth, IMO.

exactly and well said

 

[chzbrgr]

There's a middle way, which is to let him play out this season and then offer him a max deal before free agency opens assuming he actually proves that last year's 20 games wasn't any sort of fluke. That way, Portland minimizes their risk, but doesn't tell a star player to hit the bricks and find a max somewhere else before Portland matches it.

If just making him play out his first contract is the problem, then that's tough luck, I guess. I wouldn't be comfortable handing a max deal to a player who's had injury issues and only 20 games of max level play. It would be different if he had unrestricted free agency coming up, but giving up the chance to ensure he is what he appears to be would be more risky than the good feelings would be worth, IMO.

It's not the letting him play out the contract it's the letting him dangle and forcing another team to offer him max before we do.

 

[dviss1]

It's not the letting him play out the contract it's the letting him dangle and forcing another team to offer him max before we do.

His post advocated for not doing that.

 

[chzbrgr]

His post advocated for not doing that.

I know, but he asked what I took issue with. I dont think there is any disagreement that if nurk plays to the level we all think he's capable, that he is a max player.

 

[Phatguysrule]

This is the same strategy that cost Utah Hayward. If you want your good players to stay you have to show them that by paying them what they are worth. Nurk's ceiling is all-star level and he should be payed as such without any hesitation or arm twisting by another team.

Wasn't Hayward unrestricted? Nurk would be restricted, meaning we wouldn't lose him unless we wanted to.

 

[chzbrgr]

Wasn't Hayward unrestricted? Nurk would be restricted, meaning we wouldn't lose him unless we wanted to.

I was talking about Haywards rookie extension, Utah let him hang and wouldnt give him a max until someone else offered and they matched. Which caused a lot of tension and resentment between Hayward and the FO.

 

[Dougnsalem]

Sign My boy...

/Thread.

Ha! I just noticed the darts in the picture. I wonder if they have to replace the board after every game he plays, because he poked too many holes through it....

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Ok let's say PA's net worth is 40 billion as mentioned above, with a 40 million tax penalty. That would be .001 of his net worth. Let's assume a poster here makes 100k per year (or has a net worth of that), that would be a $100 tax per year. Yes, I'm sure he will be crying over that $100.

@HCP said he will donate his $20 from mowing my lawn.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

14-15: 62 games
15-16: 32 games
16-17: 65 games

He's not an auto-max guy. He'll have to show he can play 70+ games in a season, and play well.

Assuming he plays well in 17-18:
75+ games: near max or max contract (Blazers probably a strong playoff team)
65 - 74 games: large to near max contract (Blazers probably barely make the playoffs)
<65 games: not obvious as to what to do (Blazers probably do not make the playoffs)

Everyone seems to be blithely assuming he plays a lot of games and playoff glory is ours. I hope everyone is right....