Nurkic in his last 3 games...

[Labinot41]

@Denver,
Nurkic 6 Points
Jokic 36 Points

vs Philadelphia
Nurkic 4 Points
Embiid 32 Points

vs Lakers
Nurkic 2 Points
Bryant 31 Points

In total, Nurkic got outscored 99:12 in his last 3 games by his opponent Center, that's atrocious. I don't even know what to say anymore

 

[MickZagger]

We’ve known he sucks for awhile now. Now the league knows he sucks and his trade value is at an all time low

 

[TBpup]

That Joe gave him a 4-year deal is shades of Neil handing out all those max length contracts to Meyers, Harkless, Aminu, Turner, etc. Fireable offenses.

 

[Mr. Robot]

now fans have a real reason to be outraged by nurks play, maybe nurk is doing it on purpose

im loving it, if youre gonna hate on me, im gonna give you a reason to do so

hopefully another nurk disasterclass incoming tonight against the spurs

 

[Chris Craig]

now fans have a real reason to be outraged by nurks play, maybe nurk is doing it on purpose

im loving it, if youre gonna hate on me, im gonna give you a reason to do so

He might be so no one will trade for him.

 

[MickZagger]

now fans have a real reason to be outraged by nurks play, maybe nurk is doing it on purpose

im loving it, if youre gonna hate on me, im gonna give you a reason to do so

hopefully another nurk disasterclass incoming tonight against the spurs

now fans have a real reason to be outraged by nurks play, maybe nurk is doing it on purpose

im loving it, if youre gonna hate on me, im gonna give you a reason to do so

hopefully another nurk disasterclass incoming tonight against the spurs

No. I think he’s just not very good

 

[Mr. Robot]

No. I think he’s just not very good

you might think hes not very good, but surely hes not looking like an nba player right now or that he actually gives a fuck

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

you might think hes not very good, but surely hes not looking like an nba player right now or that he actually gives a fuck

I've said it before. Nurk's problems are mostly between his ears and don't call me Shirley.

 

[Cugel]

It was a mistake to resign him. I figure Dame wanted him so they made him a deal

 

[wizenheimer]

It was a mistake to resign him. I figure Dame wanted him so they made him a deal

sure is looking like it was a mistake to re-sign him for 17.5M/year. His salary is 8.5 times higher than Eubanks. Is Nurkic 8.5 times better than Eubanks? And yeah, I know it doesn't quite work that way but still...

 

[James lamphear]

now fans have a real reason to be outraged by nurks play, maybe nurk is doing it on purpose

im loving it, if youre gonna hate on me, im gonna give you a reason to do so

hopefully another nurk disasterclass incoming tonight against the spurs

Poeltl and Collins might not be the Joker and Eiimbid. But there better the Bryant and actually both having decent season. Both recently be looking to score more. Zach been really aggressive lately on the offense end just still need more consistent nightly. So Nurk and Eubanks going have there hands full tonight. Both also good offense rebounders especially poeltl.

 

[Voodoo]

I've said it before. Nurk's problems are mostly between his ears and don't call me Shirley.

 

[DDolla]

The Sharp Shooter

 

[Phatguysrule]

What center could we have gotten that would have been better and cost less? Any other talent going out would be very bad unless we were getting a significant upgrade over Nurk.

I didn't see an option that would qualify.

 

[AldoTrapani]

He’s hella trash

 

[blazerkor]

What center could we have gotten that would have been better and cost less? Any other talent going out would be very bad unless we were getting a significant upgrade over Nurk.

I didn't see an option that would qualify.

Yeah, I thought we had to retain Nurk, I did want the contract to be for less but it's not too outrageous that it can't be traded.

That being said, I thought and still hope that we signed Nurk and Ant understanding that they don't fit (Nurk with Chauncey's system and Ant next to Dame) but Joe made clear that he wanted to see that for himself. Hopefully Joe had gauged the interest around the league, knew that he could get some good pieces for them if things didn't work and now is figuring out what the most he can get for them is because they obviously don't work. I say all of that because both of these guys have things that some coaches really like and could be useful.

Ant could be a useful starter and 30+ minute player on a lot of teams. Nurk could be a very good weapon on both ends who could start or play a lot of minutes off the bench depending on lineups/matchups but that's only if a team needs someone to anchor their defense in the paint... this bullshit that Chauncey has Nurk doing is outside of his abilities and it both gets him into foul trouble and weakens his defensive potency. I would also imagine that with Nurk a lot of coaches have to think that he just hasn't had a coach, like they think they are, who can get through to him about the bullshit he pulls on offense. As for Ant I think the appeal is clear, he's a bucket (scores really well at all three levels), he's super athletic and he's just 23. I love Ant and if we weren't keeping Dame, I would want to keep Ant for good and pair him with Shae in what would likely be the best back court in the league in just a few seasons but he just does not fit with Dame.

Keeping my fingers crossed that this is the way Joe is playing things, that there actually is that interest out there and that Joe's plans and other teams' interest coalesce.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dude has checked out. Period.

 

[Freshtown]

What center could we have gotten that would have been better and cost less? Any other talent going out would be very bad unless we were getting a significant upgrade over Nurk.

I didn't see an option that would qualify.

I’d rather have Hartenstein

 

[Phatguysrule]

I’d rather have Hartenstein

Could we have gotten him without giving up other talent?

 

[blazedanugz]

Maybe he knows he’s getting moved

 

[wizenheimer]

Could we have gotten him without giving up other talent?

He signed last summer for less than Payton

 

[Phatguysrule]

I’d rather have Hartenstein

Looks like Nurk is about 3x as productive. Just judging by stats.

 

[Phatguysrule]

He signed last summer for less than Payton

I could see the argument to pick him up instead of Payton. But not as a replacement for Nurk

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nurk just destroyed Poeltle... So I guess that's a comparison we don't need to be making any more...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

@Denver,
Nurkic 6 Points
Jokic 36 Points

vs Philadelphia
Nurkic 4 Points
Embiid 32 Points

vs Lakers
Nurkic 2 Points
Bryant 31 Points

In total, Nurkic got outscored 99:12 in his last 3 games by his opponent Center, that's atrocious. I don't even know what to say anymore

Its good we got rid of CJ's "overpaid" contract so the Blazers had all this "flexibility".

Nice we were able to use it to both pay way more than any other team would to keep Nurk, then to hard cap the team for a 3rd PG. Great job Cronin!

 

[SharpesTriumph]

What center could we have gotten that would have been better and cost less? Any other talent going out would be very bad unless we were getting a significant upgrade over Nurk.

I didn't see an option that would qualify.

Put Demarcus Cousins on the Blazers this year and they still aren't a playin team, or a top of the lottery team, so why did retaining Nurk matter?

It the Blazers were contending sure go build the best starting lineup you can. But when the team is outside of the playin they need to accumulate assets, not finalize the 8th man in a rotation.

Blazers having nothing in place of Nurk on the salary cap would be more valuable than what they have with him on the roster right now, and for FOUR years at $70 million.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Yeah, I thought we had to retain Nurk, I did want the contract to be for less but it's not too outrageous that it can't be traded.

That being said, I thought and still hope that we signed Nurk and Ant understanding that they don't fit (Nurk with Chauncey's system and Ant next to Dame) but Joe made clear that he wanted to see that for himself. Hopefully Joe had gauged the interest around the league, knew that he could get some good pieces for them if things didn't work and now is figuring out what the most he can get for them is because they obviously don't work. I say all of that because both of these guys have things that some coaches really like and could be useful.

Ant could be a useful starter and 30+ minute player on a lot of teams. Nurk could be a very good weapon on both ends who could start or play a lot of minutes off the bench depending on lineups/matchups but that's only if a team needs someone to anchor their defense in the paint... this bullshit that Chauncey has Nurk doing is outside of his abilities and it both gets him into foul trouble and weakens his defensive potency. I would also imagine that with Nurk a lot of coaches have to think that he just hasn't had a coach, like they think they are, who can get through to him about the bullshit he pulls on offense. As for Ant I think the appeal is clear, he's a bucket (scores really well at all three levels), he's super athletic and he's just 23. I love Ant and if we weren't keeping Dame, I would want to keep Ant for good and pair him with Shae in what would likely be the best back court in the league in just a few seasons but he just does not fit with Dame.

Keeping my fingers crossed that this is the way Joe is playing things, that there actually is that interest out there and that Joe's plans and other teams' interest coalesce.

Overpay $20 million on one player, $25 million on a second, $15 million on a washed player, $18 million on a player with potential that never develops, and a supermax for a declining star. All these actions combined basically guarantees the team won't ever be able to be a contender.

Yes you could look at any one contract and say its not a death sentence to the franchise; if everything else with the Blazers roster and salary cap was setup perfectly they could contend with a bad Nurkic contract. Yes there's a couple percent chance one of these players outperforms their contract. But take a bunch of those poor decisions together and its a near guarantee they won't all work out in the franchise favor.

If the Blazers keep paying their own free agents more than the market they will be destined for mediocrity or worse. Goes back to Darius Miles and Zach Randolph; but then we saw it with Turner, Meyers, and now Nurk.

 

[wizenheimer]

Nurk just destroyed Poeltle... So I guess that's a comparison we don't need to be making any more...

"destroyed"...?

Poeltl got in foul trouble...a situation Nurkic is more familiar with than Poeltl (Nurk averages 6.5 fouls/100-possessions; Poeltl 4.7)

so last night was a minutes game where Nurk played 11 more. Poeltl had a better TS%, offensive rating and rebound rate than Nurk. Nurk had a better assist rate, BPM, and defensive rating. Poeltl a lower turnover rate (and yes, off and def rating are too noisy)

the first time the two teams played this season, Poeltl had 31 points (14-17 on FG's), 14 rebounds, and 5 assists. Nurk had 9 points, 5 rebounds, and 1 assist

in the two games they've faced each other, Poeltl has averaged 23-11-4; Nurk has averaged 17-8-4. Poeltl was 20-25 on FG's (80%); Nurk was 15-23 on FG's (65%). I don't see any destruction or dominance here. Not even distraction judging by the FG%. Poeltl has a decent statistical edge; Nurk's team is 2-0 against Poeltl. Poeltl's advantages overall are his consistency and his current salary. Nurk can morph into beast-mode but it's way too infrequent, and the variance between good-Nurk and bad-Nurk is huge with bad-Nurk hurting the Blazers more than good-Nurk is helping

 

[SharpesTriumph]

"destroyed"...?

Poeltl got in foul trouble...a situation Nurkic is more familiar with than Poeltl (Nurk averages 6.5 fouls/100-possessions; Poeltl 4.7)

so last night was a minutes game where Nurk played 11 more. Poeltl had a better TS%, offensive rating and rebound rate than Nurk. Nurk had a better assist rate, BPM, and defensive rating. Poeltl a lower turnover rate (and yes, off and def rating are too noisy)

the first time the two teams played this season, Poeltl had 31 points (14-17 on FG's), 14 rebounds, and 5 assists. Nurk had 9 points, 5 rebounds, and 1 assist

in the two games they've faced each other, Poeltl has averaged 23-11-4; Nurk has averaged 17-8-4. Poeltl was 20-25 on FG's (80%); Nurk was 15-23 on FG's (65%). I don't see any destruction or dominance here. Not even distraction judging buy the FG%. Poeltl has a decent statistical edge; Nurk's team is 2-0 against Poeltl. Poeltl's advantages overall are his consistency and his current salary. Nurk can morph into beast-mode but it's way too infrequent, and the variance between good-Nurk and bad-Nurk is huge with bad-Nurk hurting the Blazers more than good-Nurk is helping

Poetrl has $9 million on his contract; while Nurk has $80 million. Yes the Blazers will still be paying Nurk this huge contract in 2026.

 

[RR7]

Poetrl has $9 million on his contract; while Nurk has $80 million. Yes the Blazers will still be paying Nurk this huge contract in 2026.

Poeltl is an expiring, and said to be looking for 20 million a year. I don't love comparing contracts when one will be an UFA in 5 months, with no way of knowing what he will require to retain, and even if you could retain him.