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Where’s CJ? (For the record, #139)
 
KingSpeed said:
Nurkic should be All Star
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We've looked at the probables though.

Starters: Curry/Harden/Lebron/Durant/Davis
Reserves: Dame/Westbrook/George/Towns/Jokic
Wildcards: Derozan/Harris​

Ahead of whom would you place Nurkic?
 
Blazinaway said:
good chance that won't happen as long as Stotts is coach and we have CJ. we have two ball dominant guards and Stotts does favor shooters
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Are there any good teams who don't favor shooters?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We've looked at the probables though.

Starters: Curry/Harden/Lebron/Durant/Davis
Reserves: Dame/Westbrook/George/Towns/Jokic
Wildcards: Derozan/Harris​

Ahead of whom would you place Nurkic?
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I think Doncic is getting voted in as a starter.
 
Scalma said:
but what really separates him is his supreme confidence in himself. He doesn’t give a fuuuuck and isn’t scared of anyone. He was like that in Denver when he wasn’t even established.
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Like when he marginally touched LeBron who "sold" the contact, and Nurk have the crybaby face to The Kang!

I LOVED THAT!
 
Blazinaway said:
seriously? its about using assets in the best possible way, Nurk IMO too often gets "under" used
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Under used? You have not been paying attention lately. He touches the ball all the time now. The games which he gets a lot of assists and shoots less are some of his best games. It all depends on the matchups. Some games he needs to shoot more.....and he does. But his assists are way up. Spreading the floor with good shooting guards (plus Jake) gives Nurk more room to work. If they went to him like they did with LaMarcus the opponents would just double him. And IMO that would not help Nurk at all make the all star team.
 
dviss1 said:
Why so we can watch b.s.get used by all the stretch bigs and abused defending the pick and pop.

KAT has NO D.
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Currently this year his dbpm is 2.4, That would have him tied for 2nd on the Blazers current roster. I know defense is hard to quantify but I think its an exaggeration to say he has no D. He’s averagin 1.9 blocks per game and almost a steal per game. Is he an elite defender? No probably not but he is a good defender capable of giving you 20-10 fairy regularly.
 
FUN FACT

Jusuf Nurkic ranks 12th in the NBA with a BPM of 5.6.

That's ahead of guys like Kevin Durant, Damian Lillard, Paul George, Karl-Anthony Towns, Ben Simmons, Blake Griffin, and others.

Just how good is Jusuf Nurkic?!​
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Currently this year his dbpm is 2.4, That would have him tied for 2nd on the Blazers current roster. I know defense is hard to quantify but I think its an exaggeration to say he has no D. He’s averagin 1.9 blocks per game and almost a steal per game. Is he an elite defender? No probably not but he is a good defender capable of giving you 20-10 fairy regularly.
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What's weird is that KAT and Wiggins have elite defensive potential but have sucked on defense up until this year (Wiggins still does).
 
BonesJones said:
FUN FACT

Jusuf Nurkic ranks 12th in the NBA with a BPM of 5.6.

That's ahead of guys like Kevin Durant, Damian Lillard, Paul George, Karl-Anthony Towns, Ben Simmons, Blake Griffin, and others.

Just how good is Jusuf Nurkic?!​
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Can I give Stotts some credit here, I know you and I have our problems with Stotts, but about 3-4 weeks ago, when CJ's shooting didn't seem to "get better" I think Stotts made the critical move of saying we're going to run through Nurkic a lot more and a lot less of CJ. CJ still has some ball stopper in him at times, but I think the team runs much better with Nurkic being a facilitator. Stotts did obviously have something to do with the shift in offense there.
 
BonesJones said:
Guys, a C averaging 15/10/3 just isn't going to make the all-star game unless they're on the best team in the conference. It has no chance of happening.
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I agree but I could see him getting some votes from coaches, I'm sure they have taken notice to what he's doing. Not enough to get him in the ASG though, maybe next year if he's at 18-20ppg or something.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Media/players won't vote him high enough for the fan vote to matter.
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Doncic actually has a good shot to make it if he remains in the fan vote. Rose not so much. The reason is simple math. There are 2 spots for guards and 3 for forwards.

Assuming the fan votes stay the same:

For guards it would be Curry and Rose with 50%. Players would probably vote Curry and Harden? Media maybe Curry and Harden too? That would basically make it 50% Rose and 50% Harden, but Rose won't even show up on the media or players votes and Harden is 3rd for fans so Harden would likely move into 2nd.

For forwards with that 3rd spot, unless the players and media have the same exact 3 players for both (which is unlikely given how many forwards are deserving between LeBron, Durant, AD, PG13, Jokic, etc), the fact that Doncic is locked in with 50% gives him a pretty good chance to keep one of the 3 spots since the voting for in the media and players will likely be spread out over a bunch of guys.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Can I give Stotts some credit here, I know you and I have our problems with Stotts, but about 3-4 weeks ago, when CJ's shooting didn't seem to "get better" I think Stotts made the critical move of saying we're going to run through Nurkic a lot more and a lot less of CJ. CJ still has some ball stopper in him at times, but I think the team runs much better with Nurkic being a facilitator. Stotts did obviously have something to do with the shift in offense there.
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See, we could, but the past two games they've completely reverted back to how it was before. He's taken 13 shots the past 2 games combined? That's the problem I have with Stotts, is yes, we could praise him for doing something well for a two-week stretch, but often times it reverts back to how it was before.

Stotts also has 0 sets designed to free up Nurkic in good spots. Getting Nurkic more looks was simply running more Horns with more entry passes going Nurkic's way, as well as walking up the ball to FT-line extended before trying to throw an entry pass. No sets designed for him to get the ball in a powerful spot. I've been begging for a cross-screen set, which is a common staple in every offense at every level of basketball. With Nurkic, it's common sense to have one. If Stotts put one in, I'd have people yelling at me to praise him, and it's just like "Guys, why should we praise a coach for finally using common sense and putting in a play we all know we should have, that almost every team everywhere has?"...

As a weird example, it's like having a kid at night who leaves the front and back door open at night. The one night he only leaves the backdoor open, I wouldn't praise him "Well at least you closed the backdoor!". He shouldn't be leaving doors open at night. That's common sense. I'm not going to praise him for coming around to using partial common sense! That's just my view on it.
 
BonesJones said:
Guys, a C averaging 15/10/3 just isn't going to make the all-star game unless they're on the best team in the conference. It has no chance of happening.
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For the most part nationally the average person has no clue how good Nurk has been over the last month.
 
BonesJones said:
See, we could, but the past two games they've completely reverted back to how it was before. He's taken 13 shots the past 2 games combined? That's the problem I have with Stotts, is yes, we could praise him for doing something well for a two-week stretch, but often times it reverts back to how it was before.

Stotts also has 0 sets designed to free up Nurkic in good spots. Getting Nurkic more looks was simply running more Horns with more entry passes going Nurkic's way, as well as walking up the ball to FT-line extended before trying to throw an entry pass. No sets designed for him to get the ball in a powerful spot. I've been begging for a cross-screen set, which is a common staple in every offense at every level of basketball. With Nurkic, it's common sense to have one. If Stotts put one in, I'd have people yelling at me to praise him, and it's just like "Guys, why should we praise a coach for finally using common sense and putting in a play we all know we should have, that almost every team everywhere has?"...

As a weird example, it's like having a kid at night who leaves the front and back door open at night. The one night he only leaves the backdoor open, I wouldn't praise him "Well at least you closed the backdoor!". He shouldn't be leaving doors open at night. That's common sense. I'm not going to praise him for coming around to using partial common sense! That's just my view on it.
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It drives me crazy when we make an effort to post up Nurk that it's almost always while he's trying to fight for position and then has to work his way to the paint instead of just moving him around to where he gets the ball on the block and can go into his moves.
 
hoopsjock said:
Doncic actually has a good shot to make it if he remains in the fan vote. Rose not so much. The reason is simple math. There are 2 spots for guards and 3 for forwards.

Assuming the fan votes stay the same:

For guards it would be Curry and Rose with 50%. Players would probably vote Curry and Harden? Media maybe Curry and Harden too? That would basically make it 50% Rose and 50% Harden, but Rose won't even show up on the media or players votes and Harden is 3rd for fans so Harden would likely move into 2nd.

For forwards with that 3rd spot, unless the players and media have the same exact 3 players for both (which is unlikely given how many forwards are deserving between LeBron, Durant, AD, PG13, Jokic, etc), the fact that Doncic is locked in with 50% gives him a pretty good chance to keep one of the 3 spots since the voting for in the media and players will likely be spread out over a bunch of guys.
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I think they should expand the all-star game a spot to 13 players in each conference. What about you?

Or my favorite:
They should expand to 28 players + 4 legacy spots (for players over 36 or in their final year) and have four teams of 8 (Voting wouldn't be dependent on conference). That'd be about 30 minutes per player per game. Could maybe shorten the quarters to 10 minutes if players wished.

This would get in a couple more players, get rid of conferences, get older players in based on legacy, would create extra all-star games (if they were like last years all-star game, who wouldn't love this?), a potentially more competitive structure, and players would get more minutes on the court.

Out of the 28 players, you'd have 11 backcourt, 13 frontcourt, and 4 wildcards.
Backcourt: Curry, Harden, Lillard, Westbrook, Irving, Walker, Lowry, Simmons, Butler, DeRozan, Beal
Frontcourt: LeBron, Durant, Giannis, Davis, Kawhi, Embiid, Jokic, Griffin, Harris, Towns, Gobert, Vucevic, Drummond
Wild Card: Lavine, Oladipo, Aldridge, Doncic
Legacy: Wade, Nowitzki, Carter, (Crawford / Parker / Gasol)
Snubs: Booker, Holiday, Nurkic, Siakam, L.Williams, Middleton
Coaches: The two leading head coaches from each conference, as well as the top assistant from each conference (as voted by other coaches)

The Rookie/Sophomore game and Celebrity Game would get moved to Thursday (Times in ET)
Thursday:
5:00 - Celebrity Game
7:30 - Rookie/Sophomore Game
Friday:
5:30 - Semi-Final All-Star Game 1
8:00 - Semi-Final All-Star Game 2
Saturday:
Normal Skills Contest, 3pt Contest, and Dunk Contest schedule.
Sunday:
5:30 - 3rd Place All-Star Game
8:00 - 1st Place All-Star Game
 
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